That’s how the folks at Redstate talk about black people. Golly, I dunno why blacks aren’t defecting en masse to the right…
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Al Sharpton’s a traitor to his own race, apparently.
Racism is a foundation of the modern conservative movement. They will never recognize that fact, and will continue to have bigot eruptions.
I couldn’y even find the post, buried as it was in an avalanche of reasonable comments about what was said.
By the way, calling the Reverend Lowery a “brown man” may have been a bitter comment on his acting “other than black” (i.e., respectfully) at a funeral.
It really is time for “non-terrorist sympathizing” liberals to purge their ranks. Until they do, they cannot be taken seriously on national secruity.
Dugger,
That was a poster that made the comment, not anyone at Red State.
The posting on RedState itself is racist enough. The Klan members in the comments section are just expanding the chorus. Face it, your party is the last stop for racist, hate-mongers, and “have mores.”
For example, from the RedState posting:
Def Comedy Jam? Handouts? Coded language for the RedState Klan. Nothing more.
Cultural/racial elitism at it’s finest.
No, but someone who posts at a place called “redstate” is probably not some sort of covert-liberal trying to undermine the cause. I’m not saying the site’s administrators are at fault, but it does kinda throw fuel on the fire.
It really is time for “non-racist” conservatives to purge their ranks. Until they do, they cannot be taken seriously on race issues.
That was a poster that made the comment, not anyone at Red State. Since I doubt you assume responsibility for all of my or Doc Pedro’s or Frank’s comments (maybe frame, though), I fail to see how you have any point at all.
Dugger, Always remember when start a “depravity of posters’ topic, Andrew McCrae loses it for the left.
“That s how the folks”
One dumbass commenter equals all the folks at Redstate?
Wow, two knee-jerk reactionary posts in the same day.
Care to shoot for a third?
It really is time for non-racist conservatives to purge their ranks. Until they do, they cannot be taken seriously on race issues.
Exactly.
Fuck ‘em…all Republicans are not racists, but surely most racists are Republicans.
I’m tired of beating around the bush with people like this. They clearly despise anything involving the equality of non-WASP’s. They seeth with anger, and mutter racial epithets around the dinner table, while hiding behind coded language in public.
They’ll breathlessly defend themselves against charges of bigotry, but they’ll NEVER, NEVER show support for any initiatives that would help people of color. Rather, they fight against it.
As odd as it sounds, I actually respect someone who comes out and says, “I don’t like blacks, or Mexicans, etc.” Fine. That’s their right. I certainly don’t agree with that sentiment, but at least I know where they stand.
This current crop of “conservatives”, God…they can’t even admit they hate everyone other than people exactly like themselves.
Mr Curmudgeon,
All of your nasty rhetoric and it was still just one poster. I could just as easily draw bunches of horrible conclusions about left wingers based on the deeds and postings of Andrew McCrae (which were much, much worse than your Red State poster) . I won’t because to draw conclusions about a group or a blog from a single poster is intellctually corrupt.
Dugger
Hmmmm….
Conservatives:
“Treating people differently based on the color of their skin is bad”
Liberal:
” We HAVE to treat people differently based on the color of their skin, they need our help”
Now, Racism is the foundation of WHICH party?
Doesn’t your hypocrisy bother you guys even a little bit? How do you face yourselves in the mirror every day?
Show me a terrorist sympathizer in our ranks and we’ll purge them. But I’m sure you would define it so widely that it would even include the republicans who opposed Clinton’s strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan. Right?
No shit, man.
His last post is nothing more than the “soft bigotry of low expectations” bullshit, which is – in turn – nothing more than “they have a sense of entitlement”, which is then nothing more than “they don’t work as hard and don’t deserve as much as me.”
It’s exists in complete disregard of socioeconomic inequalities, and a host of other roadblocks.
Even in Pedro’s attempt to paint liberals as ‘racists’, he still speaks in Conservative codewords which are exactly as Atwater explained. This tortured logic is necessary for him to feel vindicated as he runs towards the frontlines of the class war.
Shorter all of Pedro’s posts:
Up is down, black is white, zig is zag, I am right, you are wrong. Your rebuttal?
It must be hard to not be able to recognize basic logical differences. Maybe the washington post can explain it to you.
Once again SaveFerris builds a beautiful Strawman. Much like I imagine he builds a beautiful burning cross.
That’s how they won the Southern white man over — by promising States rights over Civil rights, and by pledging never to talk about race issues at all. That’s why the Southern whites are the whites most likely to vote Republican out of any group of whites in the nation.
Treating people differently based on the color of their skin is bad
Too bad Conservatives dont’ believe this.
TomY,
Exactly. As Lee Atwater explained with the GOP’s Southern Strategy:
Did you catch Rush lately? Apparently he is having a pool of how many single women were at the funeral and how many will be pregnant short thereafter. Rush is the fringe of the cons party right, with his miniscule listening base and all?Who cares if it was a RedState poster. George H.W. Bush has plenty to be ashamed off as does people who represent the Republican party on a regular basis. The problem remains that while old-school racists are still ashamed when put in front of a a reality based community(blacks), the party keeps attracting new racists. Move over blacks, one of your leaders died and we’ve got some Spicks and Ragheads to hate.
MJB
“It must be hard to not be able to recognize basic logical differences.”
How about you explain it to me? Conservatives don’t believe in treating people based on the color of their skin, liberals do….
I get gobbletoo-gook talk from big gay al. The rest don’t actually refute what I say, but talk about “code-words”. Well, I didn’t get the secret decoder ring, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Though it does seem to be a leftist habit of assuming that we are all in on the joke, see H. Clinton and her….”and you KNOW what I am talking about” speech
No Hill, we really don’t……
The modern conservative movement came about from several camps
1. The anti-commie zealots that supported Goldwater
2. The racists who were no longer welcome in the Democratic party (mostly from the south)
Those are the facts, Jay & Co. Republican politicians have a long time strategy of giving into racist urges – Reagan talking about “welfare queens”, Bush Sr. and Willie Horton, and Bush Jr. and John McCain’s “black baby”. As America has changed the right has had to mute and eliminate its racist leanings, but on occasion it bursts through – Strom Thurmond’s goodbye party, for instance.
The conservative movement has also decided to take some of the anti-black racism out and convert it to anti-hispanic racism with Tom Tancredo’s crusade for closed borders, which will be an interesting fork in the road for the GOP come 2008 – will the desire to win an election overcome conservatism’s inherent desire to smack down other races?
Oliver, you need to break open some books. Your knowledge of ideology of conservatism is extremely poor. I’d be embarassed if I were you for exhibiting such ignorance.
Racism is a foundation of the modern conservative movement.
You really must be getting a paycheck for writing things so foolish.
Cmon. How much are you earning? Does it pay the same as Blogads? Google?
The “some brown preacher” slur was part of a larger racist post at RedState.
Using terms like “Def Comedy Jam” and “demands for handouts” and “why the culture of so many black Americans in this country is below what it should be and is capable of being” can only be described as racist stereotyping.
But such is conservatism. If conservatism were to purge their ranks of bigots—their support would rival, say, the Transcendental Meditation Party or the Log Cabin Republicans.
Dugger,
If you read one of my earlier posts you’d see that I discuss the ‘front page’ post for RedState as well as the peanut gallery in the comments. Furthermore, if you would have followed the link in Oliver’s post you’d see that it’s about dissecting a ‘front page’ post on RedState and not just a comment.
Anyhow, the conclusions that have been reached regarding the racists undertones in the modern conservative movement can be reached when considering the entire scope of bigoted rhetoric and action taking by the movements leaders.
That the poster on RedState could comfortably enjoy a seemingly bigoted off-handed remark without retribution, goes more towards proving the point than the comment itself.
Let’s review some others, shall we:
A bunch of unity and understanding there, eh?
White Whale: Please keep me posted on the latest developments on the Rush Limbaygh show. I don’t listen to it.
TomY:
Actually, Wm F. Buckley was no prize back in the day. If you take a look at National Review (the preeminent conservative magazine) articles from 50 years ago, they are filled with beauties such as:
and
Jay: I’ve read a lot, and I mean a lot about the conservative movement… especially in the last 5 years. I was planning to hear out your refutation but all I see is “nuh-uh”. Same goes for the good “doctor”.
Jay, your knowledge of the actual people who identify themselves as conservatives is extremely poor. These days they’re more like Trent Lott than William F. Buckley, regardless of which one writes more books.
Dr. Pedro,
But why don’t blacks ‘count’ in the Bush White House? Your policy and practices have to mirror that you are not racist. That’s like people saying I have a black friend, so therefore I am not racist. See if Bush Sr., while fighting as a senator in 64′ against civil rights, or Reagan dealing with “welfare queens” use these tatics and then want to claim not being racist, it doesn’t fly with black america. Maybe I am missing something about the conservative movement, but aren’t guys like Reagan supposed to symbolize the movement?
Ollie what are you talking about?
You just make stuff up around here. You state things as fact that remain to be proven, it is a wonderful ploy, but you have to know we are going to raise the bullsh*t flag right?
I also love your ploy of screaming “racist” whenever a republican mentions blacks or hispanics…like the whole subject is verboten. You and your minions invent “codes” out of whole cloth. You turn an interest in protecting our borders and stopping ILLEGAL immigration into “racism”.
As we have pointed out, many times, the Bush administration has more “races” in it than any previous democratic administration.
Yet these people don’t count?
Your fundamental disregard for fact-based, versus emotion based reality never ceases to amaze me….
Racism aside, it’s been clear for awhile that no one is allowed to criticize Dear Leader. But to do it in his presence! The ultimate sin.
Your knowledge of ideology of conservatism is extremely poor.
Ha!
Why just the other day, GOP stalwart Pat Robertson was talking about Western Europe committing “racial suicide.”
How’s that for ideology?
Nixon’s ‘Southern Strategy’ still is in play today; that’s part of conservative ideology.
All in all, Jay C, you’re ignorant of conservative ideology.
“You state things as fact that remain to be proven …”
The level of projection coming from the right always amazes me.
Pedro’s understanding of Condi and Powell’s existence in the White House and how that relates to the black community at large, apparently breaks down to nothing more than “we already gave at the office.”
Nice.
Mr C. I’ve no doubt we could trade posts all day and night. There is plenty of harsh stuff right here, for instance. There are right wing racists and left wing racists, but I don’t for one moment believe the hogwash about racism being part of the foundation of our conservatism. The problem ain’t the right or left part – its the racist part, the extremist part. And there are plenty of obnoxious extremist on BOTH sides.
I’ve been around a long time. Been conservative since the excesses of the late 60’s . Till this day, I think it morally wrong to deny somebody something based on race or to reward them based on race. If that makes me a racist in any of your books, so be it. I ain’t changing on that. The conservative movement, the modern one, started with young Buckley coming out of Yale – God and Man at Yale and Up From Liberalism, the original National Review. No racism. It culminated with Reagan and is in slight decline today as Bush and most Republicans are not conservatives, but moderates.
Dugger
Jay: I ve read a lot, and I mean a lot about the conservative movement& especially in the last 5 years.
Atrios, Mediawhoresonline, DNC press releases, etc. don’t count.
And tell me, why should I even bother to offer a refutation? I could talk until I’m blue in the face and type until my fingers come off. You’re not going to think any differently? How does one get through the skull of a person who writes nonsense like, “Republicans are evil.” How do I reason with a person like that?
Tell me.
And Jade, the faster you crawl back under your rock, the better it will be for everybody. Your presence drops the average IQ in this comment section about 50 points.
You people really are addled….
What percent of black babies are born out of wedlock?
What is the percentage of black or hispanic americans on welfare as compared to white?
Didn’t Byrd fight against civil rights in the 60’s while wearing a white sheet?
Didn’t Clenis push through welfare reform thereby helping to rid us of “welfare queens” ….of all races?
Are the answers to these questions inherently racist? Are you all afraid to answer them?
I bet you are…..
The facts aren’t racist. It is the deeply guilty heart of the limosine liberal that attempts to make them so….
Not so fantastic, Frameone. The government exists within the framework of the constitution; if you want to change the constitution there are mechanisms in place to do so.
I an “amazed” that the left welcomed Grutter VS Bollinger. For the first time the supreme court narrowed the scope of the 14th amendment, and the “civil libertarians” on the left applauded.
Dugger:
Good post. Agree totally about Bush and the Republicans.
Oliver and his minions:
Please continue calling conservatives bigots and racists. Shout it from the rooftops. Pound the pulpits. Write about it in your blogs. Create television and radio ads.
Just a little anecdotal observation. My wife and I get together with about 6 other couples every month or so for dinner. The group is evenly mixed between conservatives and liberals. We always have some lively discussions, but unlike here, it is ALWAYS respectful and intelligent. At our last get-together, our liberal friends, to a person, said they are disgusted with the Democratic Party and one of the reasons, among several, is the constant shrieks of racism from the left. Several said they are strongly considering either abstaining from voting altogether or switching their affiliation.
Similar sentiments were shared with my rather large and mostly Democrat family as we watched our Steelers on Sunday. Keep it up.
I look forward to ‘06 and ‘08.
ahh yes, the liberal mantra…
“the ends justify the means….”
Brand Democrat: “We’re only racist cause we care about equality!”
Frankly, even the top conservative blogs are racist in nature: LGF, InstaCracker, etc. The list goes on. The RedState post is just par for the course.
Jay Caruso tell us we don’t know conservative ideology. But the fact is you can look at any conservative publication or politician from the present day to fifty years ago and the message is the same: villify minorities and tout white superiority. Create fear that minorities are out to take your jobs and your daughters.
There are no exceptions.
Dugger acknowledges that we live in a racist society but then believes that we should do nothing to correct for it, which he considers “rewarding people” based on race. Fantastic.
No, Jay, I’ve read books (and no, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity do not count as “books”) – you know, the stuff the right always want to burn because they’re so filled of… facts. And yes, Jay, you’ve shown me its useless arguing with the guy who is all about us being safe from terrorism never mind all the terrorism.
Look, if I was a conservative I’d be fighting hard to rid my movement of it’s racist elements, but then of course you’d be at an electoral advantage. Priorities, priorities…
Please tell us the titles of the books you’ve read Oliver so we can all become as enlightened as you.
As much as this “conversation” has turned to race and the veiled racism of much conservative rhetoric, this whole dust up is yet another example of the Right trying to tell liberals and progressives when it is and isn’t okay to critcize this president or his policies. Once again near hysterical conservatives are attempting to use intimidation and bully tactics to scare liberals into being quiet. The hypocrisy of all this loud talk about civility and decency is self-evident. You don’t care about manners and dignity, otherwise you wouldn’t have turned Terry Shiavo’s death into a three ring circus. As usual, the right wing’s only recourse is blustery posturing, exaggeration and a self-righteous assumption of victimhood. Says a Red State commentor:
“It is appalling and beyond my comprehension that a guest would abuse that event to attack another guest. And when the attack is directed against the President of the United States who is there as the representative of the American people, it represents an attack is against our civil institutions and an affront to all Americans.”
An affront to all Americans? Go fuck yourself.
ahh yes, the liberal mantra& the ends justify the means& .
Liberal mantra? That fits the Bush White House to a T, from the invasion of Iraq and the near total destruction of its infrastructure, through Abu Gharib, secret prisons and the Plame leak on to the violation of the FISA statute and possibly the Constitution.
Thanks for changing the subject Paul.
How about this? Why is it ok to be racist with regard to affirmative action?
So far the lefties here continue to complain about some sort of “soooper seeecret code’ that no one but the lefties understand.
We conservatives complain about the right out there, in-your-face racism that is openly supported by the lefties in the form of “affirmative action”.
You want to address the issue frame….or are you going to screech “abu ghraib, abu ghraib” all day. You idiots keep pulling out examples of things that in most cases have not been found to be illegal (no indicments in secret prisons, indicted for forgetting a meeting in Plame, even the democrats are coming around on the FISA issue), and in the one case that was, the perpetrators are in prison! Jesus, talk about straw men…..
Pedro, conservatives conveniently NOW say they are against discrimination of any kind, when it helps their electoral prospects, but when it helped them to be racist they were overtly racist. It is very simplistic to say that all discrimination is the same. Grow up.
Again MJB avoids the whole question.
What do you mean NOW? You mean way back when, when the democrats were made up of a bunch of guys like Byrd wearing sheets and fighting the equal rights amendment?
Ever since I have been old enough to vote the republicans have criticized treating people differently based on the color of their skin. It is currently part of the democratic PLATFORM to treat people differently based on the color of their skin…
Well lefties, are you FOR treating people differently based on the color of their skin?
WAS made up of guys like byrd who bolted the party for yours. deal with reality you liar. And yes, we are for treating people differently to make up for the continuing stigma in conservative minds about race and color. How do you propose to solve the problem?
“By the way, calling the Reverend Lowery a brown man may have been a bitter comment on his acting other than black (i.e., respectfully) at a funeral.”
Frank – that statement alone, merely perpetuates the overall racist tone that’s embued this discussion. The poster deigns to denigrate someone’s behavior… as not “being black” ehough… that is “not respectful enough”.
Spare us.
“You idiots keep pulling out examples of things that in most cases have not been found to be illegal”
Last I checked affirmative action was still legal, Pedro. Why is it legal? Because the government, universities and other public insitutions have a compelling interest to promote divirsity in response to the consequences of historical and on-going racial bias and exclusion. Given that compelling interest race is one category among many that public institutions can and should take into consideration as they select candidates for employment or school. I think it’s a little disingenous when conservatives bitch about treating people differently because of race as if this country hasn’t been treating people differently because of race for over 200 years. You can count me in the camp that believes there may come a day when affirmative action is no longer necessary but the King funeral is yet another reminder that we are really only one generation away from the Civil Rights movement. The generation who fought against it are still with us. Now I wouldn’t blame the child for the sins of the father but I think the Right’s response to the King funeral is yet another indication that we are along way away from the day wen affirmative action will not be necessary.
I love it when wingers try to explain why it is that 90% of blacks vote Democratic. Care to give it a shot, Pedro?
peedro wrote:
I, for one, go along with this (ahem) “brown preacher”:
Its true, it’s not realistic.
All the race-shills won’t allow it. What in gods name would jesse do? The whole rainbow coalition would be out of work. Half the people speaking out at the funeral…unemployed.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t make it right.
The brown preacher apparently didn’t understand Dr. King very well…..Neither does Cracker
I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character
But the cracker seems to agree with the pigs in Animal Farm
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
Ahh…beautiful sentiment Cracker, just beautiful
Joke’s on you peed’. That was Dr. King I quoted.
Peedro, I don’t mind when you disappear like this. But that damn puff of smoke you leave behind really smells.
Man, you know you just ruined the whole “I have dream…” speech for me.
I really DID think that MLK believed in equality.
Would be interested in knowing WHEN your quote occurred too….
Why We Can’t Wait, 1964.
That explains it….and I feel better about MLK…
“I have a dream” was 1968. Martin had come around by then, and believed in TRUE equality
It is funny how quiet the leftists get when this subject comes up….there is simply no good, consistent argument for it, and even the leftards know it….
Dead silence from Cracker, Tom, Frame (paul) and their cadre of losers…
Much as to be expected I guess…
Well, generally, after a thread falls off Oliver’s front page, you’ve posted some new lunacy.
But if you happen to come back this way, you might give us a little evidence that Dr. King had reversed his thinking. You seem to be quite familiar with his work.
Take your time. I’ll be over here making “dead silence from peedro” comments.