I’m sure the cons will get all hot and bothered over this denunciation of Iraq at the Coretta Scott King funeral, but they really need to stop pretending that Dr. King and his wife were apolitical people. They were progressive activists fighting against the closed minds of conservatism.
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Count me as bothered but not hot. Paritsan politics at a funeral is nothing new for leftists. Remember Wellstone (hoepfully, unlike Wellstone, there will be no paranoid conspiracies emerging from this funeral). BTW, please don’t pretend you are clueless as to why Bush might avoid a future leftist event. Nothing, nothing is more sacred to leftists than Bush hate.
Dugger
You stay classy, Atlanta!
Remember Wellstone
Do you know how long the Wellstone memorial was?
Five hours. 300 minutes.
Now, how many of those 300 minutes did you get to see? One? Half of one?
I guess that was enough for you to draw a conclusion about it, though.
Yeah, god knows it really preserves human lives to have wire-hanger abortions and children who are hated before they’re even born.
So… Bush goes to the King funeral and he’s “scoring points”? Who here wants to wager that if he hadn’t gone, we’d hear the same stories that we always hear when Bush annually snubs the NAACP?
Don’t make me laugh…
Do you deny Shillelaghi or Thlayli (at least get a name that can be typed!) that the left win g goobers polticized Wellstone’s memorial?. The people of Minnesota seemed to htink so.
Dugger
God forbid that inconvenient and controversial part of the King’s legacy of being anti-war live on.
Hey Neo-Con’s! Try to recite one quote from MLK other than “I have a dream”.
(insert Jeopardy! theme)
Nothing is more sacred to progressives than preserving human lives. If you’re an unrepentant warmonger, perhaps you’d think twice about trying to score points by going to the funeral of a peacemaker.
Yes, as opposed to dicking around in Iraq and killing Americans and Iraqis and very few Al Qaeda.
“Nothing is more sacred to progressives than preserving human lives.”
Unless the issue is abortion.
Brandon…
Instead, what happened was that Bush was shat upon at Reagan’s service too.
“Dude!
Wellstone was a left-wing politician!
What should they have talked about at his funeral? ”
I guess by this logic, it would have been perfectly acceptable for those eulogizing President Reagan to lob pot shots at liberals during his funeral.
Nothing is more sacred to progressives than preserving human lives.
So says the man who says we should be bombing the holy hell out of every Middle East country with anybody involved in Al Qaeda.
As one of the over 100,000 people that stood in long lines to pay our last respects to a courageous and progressive human rights advocate, I throughly enjoyed and applauded Dr. Lowery’s broadside at President Bush. It was more than appropriate, it was a mandatory declaration against war that Mrs. King would have approved of. Overall, I thought all of the tributes were thoughtful and heartfelt and befitting a grand and magnificent woman.
As an afterthought, the President’s words of tribute were eloquent and movingly delivered. You almost got the sense that he actually meant what he said until you start remembering his sad and indefensible record, which includes his overthrow of democracy in Haiti, his attacks on Affirmative Action, a whole host of reactionary wingnuts appointed to the federal bench, and finally the Iraq War prosecuted with the aid of indefensible lies and bogus intelligence.
I guess by this logic, it would have been perfectly acceptable for those eulogizing President Reagan to lob pot shots at liberals during his funeral.
Why bother? They just had the corporate media to do it for them…the whole month long.
Plus, why would they? They are in charge. If you’re majority party can’t stand to lead, can’t stand to take criticism…then have them step…the fuck…aside.
Aravosis, that is.
Naa, its called manners…..
You invite someone to your house, you start lambasting them when they arrive. The South used to be famous for its manners
Oh, but you know the democrats want bipartisanship and a team effort!
Isn’t it hard to talk out of both sides of your mouth like that?
Which party was it that OPPOSED the Civil Rights act of 1964? Which party calls Secretaries Powell and Rice, and Justice Thomas “tokens” and “Uncle Toms”? It ain’t the Republicans…
The wingnut’s feigned outrage over the comments today is just another example of them attempting to quash dissent/debate. Same thing with the tired old, “you just hate bush” bullshit. They have nothing valid to say, so they just can’t wait to point out how much your opinions hurt their poor, little feelings. They bluster so that maybe you’ll stop talking, and instead, try to make them feel better about all the immoral bullshit they support.
They are weak people; and they cannot lead. They cannot take criticism, and they dare not think critically for themselves.
See, it’s not in their best interest to address the actual points being made (that of continued social injustice, and a war built on lies), at a funeral for a civil rights activist and anti-war figure no less. So, they scream “no fair”, “distasteful”, etc. (As if they didn’t fuck Reagan’s corpse for a month straight.)
The comments got a standing ovation. Did anything Bush say do the same? No? If he’s hated, it’s not simply because of who he is, but rather what he has done (and not done, right).
I would hope these “compassionate” conservatives would just cease the pathetic whining and actually try to change the perception black America has of them by advocating policy that improves their lives, but instead, since they simply don’t care….they’d rather us focus on their own discomfort at having cold reality pointed out to them.
Party of no ideas, indeed.
Pedro upset at all the uppity house negroes?
Anyhow, bipartisanship isn’t really possible with a team that has define it as simply “agreeing with them.”
As for “manners”, Arvosis said it best:
“…that’s because the Republican party, and increasingly the media, have no clue about black America, about progressives, about civil rights, and about what it means to be a committed activist who actually cares about our country and the direction its heading. If Coretta, on the occasion of Martin’s death, could launch (and continue) a decade’s-long campaign for equality and justice in his name, we should only be so honored to do the same to mark her passing.”
What right, Pedro, do you have to lecture anyone?
In the Jan 27 “CNN Demonstrates Its Liberal Bias” post, SaveFarris Said:
January 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
I can see how liberals would be upset if people report actual facts about them.>>
. . . so all they did at the funeral was mention a few facts about no
WMD and the wingnuts are upset.
And some self-described moonbat monitor Said:
January 28th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
Sorry man. If that is an example of what you see as bias against liberals, you re in for a very frustrating life.
I suggest you quit making mountains out of& ..not even molehills& & just completely flat ground.
Since when are facts biased?
Sheesh.>>
Gotta love it.
Justice Thomas was a token, little mopre than a rubber stamp for the Scalia wing of the SCOTUS. What Rice offers is the same that Scotty McClellan offers: Blind loyalty to Our Leader. She was ineffective in preparing for bin Laden, who was Determined to Strike In US, unprepared for what happened after the invasion of Iraq. Powell is out of the administration because he was the odd man out in the misinformation department of the Cheney Administration.
If Byrd has long since renounced his involvement in the KKK and if he has been re-re-elected by a presidential red state, what’s your problem? I guess I have not even heard of Cruz Bustamante. Is he a big deal? Better explain how important he is.
Conservatives, don t you get it! Liberals never get any chance to be in the national light, so they have to use every chance they can get to jab Bush and his policies.
More like Bush never allows himself to be around those who disagree with him. What, with his prescreen, prescripted, loyalty-oath audiences. Bubbleboy got a dose of medicince today, and he didn’t like it one bit.
You know what I really hated about this funeral is that people who pretened like they knew who Coretta was, she was probably spinning in her casket.
Like Bush, his wife, and his father?
@SaveFarris, Brandon:
Uh, not to drag this in to an abortion debate (because, let’s face it, it’s a stupid argument), but just because someone is pro-choice doesn’t mean they just love abortions.. it just means that you recognize that the government has no right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do with their bodies - that is a conservative thing, isn’t it? You know.. big, bad government and all?
@plastic:
But, Senator Byrd has long denounced what he did as a youth and has since worked to further the cause of civil rights.. Senator Lott, on the other hand, would be perfectly fine bringing back the era of segregation.
No, neither never said “Coretta would have wanted …..” it was Clinton and Carter.
curm, Bush has to deal with the national limelight all the time and he has had several unscripted speaking events. Don’t act like the first black president, Clenis, was different.
@Todd B.
No one is saying that, but don’t claim to be the party of life if you are okay with the death of innocent life.
curm, Bush has to deal with the national limelight all the time and he has had several unscripted speaking events. Don t act like the first black president, Clenis, was different.
Bush has to deal with the national limelight all the time? Oh, cry me a river. The moron has the NEWS put together for him on a fucking DVD. He doesn’t even get to parse his own information intake for Pete’s sake.
Several unscripted events for Bushie? Like during his campaign where people had to sign loyalty oaths to get in? Or like in Denver, where three individuals were hauled away by the Secret Service (or Bush paid lackey) because their car had a “no blood for oil” bumper sticker? Or the teleconference with the troops, where they were caught rehearsing on camera? or his “town halls” which aren’t announced to the public until two days beforehand, and only then through GOP mailings to republican loyalists?
Give me a fucking break. Please name one of these ‘unscripted’ events, that were open to the public. Please?
Btw, as soon as any of you wingnuts are finally able to dry the tears from your oft offended eyes…please open a history book and read about the life of MLK and his wife, Coretta.
You may be surprised.
Hey plastic,
I’m going to just ignore you’re irrelevant strawmen and point you to one simple, cold, hard fact: Bush has a 2% approval rating among blacks…Condi and Powell aren’t helping the cause. Furthermore, Byrd isn’t hurting the Dems cause amongst that demographic either, his past is only ever brought up by ignorant right-wing shills who can’t argue a valid point, and instead need to draw false analogies.
Do you think African-American people should support the president simply because he’s got people with their skin color in his administration? (One’s that have been appointed, btw, not elected.)
Maybe they’re smarter than that, and would rather decide based on performance instead. Hmm?
Which party does Cruz Bustamante belong to? You know, the guy that used the word “nigger” at an NAACP event?
that’s right, he’s a DEMOCRAT, but if you are a democrat it is OK to be a bigot… Senator Byrd of West Virginia, Klan member, A-OK, Dr Condolezza Rice, BAD… What “logic” are you fucktards using?
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Ummm, the last several speeches?
My point is proven that liberals can’t have an argument with out using the word fuck or shit.
Conservatives, don’t you get it! Liberals never get any chance to be in the national light, so they have to use every chance they can get to jab Bush and his policies. Oliver, please don’t say that progressives are the people of life, I almost spit my drink on the screen.
And liberals wonder why Bush usually doesn’t go to these type of events. I really wouldn’t blame him if he walked out of the funeral like Ventura did.
You know what I really hated about this funeral is that people who pretened like they knew who Coretta was, she was probably spinning in her casket.
ian, you were how old when the Clenis left office?
Naw, Cruz Bustamante can’t be too important, he is only the number two person in the sixth largest economy on Earth… (can you guess who number one is, retard?)
Loyalty oaths? Care to provide proof?
How about how John F Kennedy and his brother Bobby (Both Democrats) had MLK’s phone tapped…
Todd: Lott said a nice thing to an old man, on his birthday, nothing more, Bustamante said “Nigger” at an NAACP event, were there cries for his resignation? Was he pilloried in the press?
Hell, Byrd said Nigger on NATIONAL TV TWICE… no, no racism there
@Ian:
When has the Democratic Party ever said they were the “party of life”? How about if the Republicans stop calling themselves the “party of limited government” if they keep trying to come in to my bedroom and tell me when I can and cannot make my own decisions.
From the 2004 Democratic Platform:
We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. [1]
This is exactly why Democrats don’t win elections. Just keep on keepin’ on ,with your Bush bashing and Uncle Tom speak. I love it.
Digger –
The reason right-wingers don’t ever have politics at their funerals is that God hates hypocrisy.
We can’t help it if left-wingers are more naturally Christian.
Now stop whining.
P.S. Bush already does avoid “left-wingers” at all costs. More accurately, anyone NOT a brain dead Bush zombie. Nothing new, Bucky.
I agree, Bush hasn’t lived up to the conservative value of small gov’t, and he really needs to fix that. But instead of complaining, why hasn’t the ‘party of hate’ — liberals — taken advantage of this?
Plastic:
that s right, he s a DEMOCRAT, but if you are a democrat it is OK to be a bigot& Senator Byrd of West Virginia, Klan member, A-OK, Dr Condolezza Rice, BAD& What logic are you fucktards using?
You fucktard, Byrd is a CONSERVATIVE Democrat.
Or without lying, eh, Ian…
The profanity laced retorts towards conservatives in a post ostensibly about Coretta Scott King seem almost sacrilegious to me. I understand however, the place from where their anger comes. Most conservatives will never understand the anger and are genuinely perturbed that the right wing’s favorite Negroes aren’t allowed to hold forth on the legacy of Dr. and Mrs. King. I for one was overjoyed that Bernice didn’t allow her mother’s funeral to become an Uncle Tom festival of remembrance about a defanged Dr. and Mrs. King.
The Kings were courageous, committed, and progressive human rights advocates that despised racial division and hypocrisy. To point out the juxtaposition in the President’s eloquent words of remembrance for a peacemaker, with his policies in favor of preemptive war was necessary and proper. He needs to be upbraided publicly more often. It’s good for him.
Todd B:
But, Senator Byrd has long denounced what he did as a youth and has since worked to further the cause of civil rights.., er, 42 isn’t considered youthfull very often…
conservative democrat is as much an oxymoron as honest liberal…
Oliver, save your opinions of ian for later. Maybe you should try and stay on topic here.
Your link only goes to people speaking about the Reagan funeral. The topic at hand is politicizing at the ACTUAL funeral.
Try again, or you’ll have to take the title you gave to ian for yourself.
Its a good thing nobody on the right used Reagans death to make a political… oh wait, nevermind.
@Ian:
There isn’t a Liberal party, for the record. There is a Democratic Party on the other hand, which has offered alternatives - however, seeing as they are the minority party at the moment, there isn’t really any way for them to actively get legislation passed considering how polarized the country is right now.
Look, I rarely see eye-to-eye with the Democratic or Republican Parties, since I think the majority of politicians are too self-involved to actually stop thinking about an election long enough to actually do things to improve the quality of living in this country (which is proof enough the the electoral process in this country is broken and in desperate need of repair [campaign finance laws, instant run-off voting, etc.], but other then putting an agenda forward that will pursuade voters to put them in power, what do you want them to do? With a two-party system you can’t do much if the other party is in the majority.
You can look at the agenda for the Democratic Party here and the agenda for the Green Party here.
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It is a sign of the weakness of the left that they use the remembrance of an american whose family literally changed the face of our country to spew their hate-ridden missives.
Honor and character: Both missing from the funeral of a great american.
NOBODY used Reagan’s funeral as a springboard for their own political screed, nobody. Republican’s have to much honor, character, class and manners.
The democrats acted like petulant children, and I suspect that the american people will likely send them to bed without supper….
Ian: you’re simply the most unintelligent person in the political blogosphere - and that’s saying a lot. I know you’re young, but for chrissake get a little more informed on your positions than Fox-Hannity-Limbaugh-Coulter. There are bloggers whose positions I despise that form better arguments than you do on your best day. It’s almost embarrasing, kid.
Taking care of sick people. Feeding the poor. Calling for peace.(whining, lying and pandering) A Liberal Trifecta!
While President Bush was eulogizing Coretta Scott King, his administration was supporting the Republican war on minority voting rights in Georgia.
For the details, see:
“Dishonoring Mrs. King.”
If King was reading Oliver’s blog today she would be turning in her grave .. this is exactly what she preached against, hate. Oliver — or Malcolm XXL — is the exact reason why there are such hate organizations around today. He is ignorant, repulsive, and arrogant.
[quote]We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there[/quote] first of all, Quaker, that is a FALSE statement, We KNOW Saddam had WMD, because he used them, on Iranians, and, btw, on IRAQIS!
What we don’t know, yet, is where he hid them.
AnalogKid, Oliver staying on topic? Get real.
He will take any chance to make a jab at anyone, when he has no room to make a jab at anyone — no seriously, he doesn’t have any room, much less any room for him.
If you think “working” at a “job” that is funded by an anti-American billionaire makes you informed, then again you have no room. Attack the argument, not the person.
When you say I don’t read other opinion to make up mine, you’re right, I read this blog.
avengingangel: How is requireing ID making “War” on voting rights? Idiot, they will come to your house, apartment, hovel, (whatever) and GIVE you the fucking card for free.
Its ONLY intent is to insure that only those LEGALLY entitled to vote, vote…
Gee, Its not like Dead people, or Felons, or Illegal aliens vote for democratic candidates…
Hate-filled?
You call this “hate-filled”?
Taking care of sick people. Feeding the poor. Calling for peace.
“Hate-filled”?
Anyways, once again Oliver you fail to not look like a hypocrite. No one made any political statement at his funeral.
Not a member of the religious right, I see.
Musta hid them really, really well. We’ve had the run of the place for nearly three years and haven’t turned them up yet.
However, we do know that they’re not under the sofa cushions in the oval office.
plastic Says:
February 7th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
[quote]We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there[/quote] first of all, Quaker, that is a FALSE statement, We KNOW Saddam had WMD, because he used them, on Iranians, and, btw, on IRAQIS!
What we don t know, yet, is where he hid them
Sorry, Oliver, but this is quite a bit stupider than Ian, and almost as bad as drpecker. Even Bush has admited ‘no can do’ on the WMD, spastic.
You really ought to ask for a raise, pajamabloggers can’t pay you enough to make this much of a fool of yourself.
Hey, how’s the worlds stupidist dr doing today? Sure Glad the Kings elected yall as their spokesman, I’m sure!
meant to tell you there is a lot of intelligent comments at Think progress, which links to you, O.W.:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/07/right-wing-angry-that-king-funeral-turned-political/
By intelligent, I of course mean , well, the opposite of ian and plastic! Human!
Not only do these hypocritical conservatives want to step in and tell me and my family that I can be kept alive for years against my wishes, a petri dish harboring their precious “culture of life,” now they want to control the “message” at my funeral. Well … I’ve got news for them. It’s time they shut their yaps, this GOP party of control freaks extraordinaire.
Please, Politicize My Funeral
When Wingnuts Collide
ian Says:
February 7th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
Ummm, the last several speeches?
My point is proven that liberals can t have an argument WITH OUT USING THE WORD FUCK OR SHIT. >>
plastic Says:
February 7th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Or without lying, eh, Ian& >>
plastic Says:
February 7th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
What logic are you FUCKTARDS using?
drpedro Says:
February 7th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Isn t it hard to talk out of both sides of your mouth like that?>>
You guys deserve each other.
I know I’m late with a response. My apoligies.
Oliver’s quote was:
I was merely pointing out that there IS something more sacred (according to Progressives): the right of a mother to “choose” to quash a human life.
Correction:
I mean, it would be easy to sit here and pick apart the specious arguments and logical fallacies they present, but to what end?
And for all those offended by some of the comments at the funeral… might I remind you of Dr. King’s view of his funeral… and by extension a view most likely shared by Coretta:
http://www.afsc.org/pwork/1298/declead4.htm
I’d like somebody to mention that day, that Martin Luther King, Jr., tried to give his life serving others. I’d like for somebody to say that day, that Martin Luther King, Jr., tried to love somebody. I want you to say that day, that I tried to be right on the war question. I want you to be able to say that day, that I did try, in my life, to clothe those who were naked. I want you to say, on that day, that I did try, in my life, to visit those who were in prison. I want you to say that I tried to love and serve humanity.
Yes, if you want to say that I was a drum major, say that I was a drum major for justice; say that I was a drum major for peace; I was a drum major for righteousness.
Short translation of wingnut responses here:
How dare those uppity negroes try to talk about what that woman stood for! Don’t they know their place?
The rest of the arguments (Wellstone, abortion, Iraq, etc.) is just so much white noise (pun very much intended) to hide the racism. I mean, it would be eay to sit here and pick apart the specious arguments and logical fallacies they present, but to what end? It’d be like talking into an empty phone.
But thanks anyway for identifying yourselves.
Plastic… WTF? are you ranting about? Here’s what happened:
[At a February 9, 2001 speech to the Coalition of Black Trade Unionists, California's Democratic Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante said "nigger" when, he apologetically explained, he wanted to say "Negro" in the title of a black labor organization.]
The mere fact that you would then try to turn that into evidence that the democratic party is racist - is ridiculous to say the least. And while I’m at it… please - the operant word in your silly comment re: WMDs is “had” - yes he used them on Iranians, Kurds and Iraqis… but when was the last time any of that happened? Part of the selling of the war was the presence and imminent danger of the use of WMDs. Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by trying to play semantic games. Geez.
As for Dugger, Fariss, et al. - can you possibly explain what Wellstone’s funeral or abortion have to do with the topic at hand.
And lest I forget - Ian: “but don t claim to be the party of life if you are okay with the death of innocent life.”
That’s the silliest thing I’ve read all day - what, babies must be preserved at all costs, but innocent men, women and children are fine as cannon fodder?
Let’s ask Henry Hyde, shall we?
At a February 9, 2001 speech to the Coalition of Black Trade Unionists, California s Democratic Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante said nigger when, he apologetically explained, he wanted to say Negro in the title of a black labor organization.]
The mere fact that you would then try to turn that into evidence that the democratic party is racist
No, not that they are racist, but that they are hypocrites. Senator Lott was run out of his leadership position because he said “”I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.”
HE DID NOT mention race! Yet a Democrat politician can say NIGGER and gets a pass… no, no hypocrasy there…
Plastic - nice try at the semantic logic lambada.
But you can’t even honestly compare the two. Bustamante made the mistake of using the wrong word - and apologized profusely for it.
Lott effusively and implicitly praised Thurmonds segregationist views.
No, there is no hypocrisy there if one chooses to be intellectually honest.
Geez…
Rainlion:
When did Lott mention segregation? Bustamante DID say NIGGER…