Michelle Malkin is all hot and bothered over John Kerry saying only 53% of students graduate from high school, and if he’s wrong he should certainly be called on it. But I’m waiting for Malkin and her minions to pay the same sort of attention to the serial fabrications of a - shall we say - more high ranking elected official. Start with “We found the weapons of mass destruction. “ and work your way on through.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html
Yes, we went to war over a debunked canister of junk. Whoppee!
Violated a cease fire agreement - Israel?
violated 12 UN Resolutions - Israel?
were supporting terrorists - That attacked us?
had the capability and proven ability to make and use WMD s - Not found!
were shooting at coalition forces on a regular basis - Waaaaaah!
If any of those excuses would have been used to sell the American people on war with Iraq, we wouldn’t be at war right now.
Next pathetic wingnut justification?
Shit. I can tell this argument’s going to get settled just like the last one on that little unpleasentness between the states or the Balkan thing, or that whole who-owns-the-holy-land thing.
I’ve been seriously doubting he’s even a doctor.
We went to war because they:
Violated a cease fire agreement,
violated 12 UN Resolutions,
were supporting terrorists,
had the capability and proven ability to make and use WMD’s,
were shooting at coalition forces on a regular basis.
Next lefty talking point?
Nowhere in the article does it allege that the military suspects these are the chemical weapons Bush believed to be present prior to the war.
These mindless BushBots do the same thing regarding links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Now that Al Zarqawi and friends are freely operating in Iraq, where before they WERE NOT; they’ll point to that and say, “See! Bush was right! Al Qaeda is in Iraq.”
Yeah, well…..NOW they are, assholes!
Pedro, is this “false but true”?
ps. the bush interview was May 19, 2003. Liar.
Pedro, are you kidding me? You should read the article rather than just googling for key words. The article says:
“Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein’s government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.”
and:
“Investigators still were trying to determine who had assembled the alleged lab and whether the expertise came from foreign insurgents or former members of Hussein’s security apparatus, the military said.”
and:
“The suspected chemical weapons lab was the biggest found so far in Iraq, Boylan said. A lab discovered last year in the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah contained a how-to book on chemical weapons and an unspecified amount of chemicals.”
Nowhere in the article does it allege that the military suspects these are the chemical weapons Bush “believed” to be present prior to the war. It purely deals with the insurgency. I imagine this article is a big one in winger community, but Rush etc. will rely on the fact that most will never actually read the article. Now ask yourself if you trust the right-wing blogs on this issue.
Hot and bothered?
Hot? Well- she’s no Jessica Alba or Vida Guerra, but she is attractive.
As for bothered? Oliver- She doesn’t sound too bothered. It’s just another day in the life of John Kerry. I really thinks she just let the facts speak for themselves. The Great Exaggerator is eating shoe again!
By the way- have you figured out what you are FOR yet. It’s pretty easy to tell what you’re against. (flip down to the Republican, Racist, Immigration post again…)
Btw, you *KNOW* the public was sold on the “Nu-cu-ler” bullshit…but you’re just too disengenious to admit it, good Doctor.
Good analogy. Saddam and Zarqawi were sworn enemies (same as any other secular leader in the middle east and the fundie radicals which inevitably seek his ouster/murder, ie. Sadat and Zawahiri) and Zarqawi operated out of the kurdish controlled area which Saddam stayed away from, but according the bots and their linear thinking, as long as Zarqawi was inside the border then Saddam=Al Qaeda.
He’s busy in surgery.
Pedro? You out there?
What DrDoper completely glosses over is how lucky we were that Saddam didn’t have WMDs, because looking at how incompetently the war was handled and how Bush didn’t send enough troops to secure the country we would have found them detonated in New York or London or Kuwait or Saudia Arabia or Spain. The munitions depots Bush left unguarded are causing us enough problems.
Peedro is so stupid that he just HAS to be a parody poster, mocking the other con trolls on this site. He(she,it) just can’t be a serious poster, right?
How stupid can one be to continually post links that actually CONTRADICT his own talking points?
“Calling Dr. Pedro, calling Dr. Pedro”
Whoops, my bad. I reread Drudge’s post and it DOES say 20-24 year olds. I’m still surprised by that, since last I heard we in the Carolionas were putting up numbers in the 60-70% range.
I’m also not sure its a lie in the first place. The two pieces of data here don’t have the same denominator. He’s talking about current students graduating, she’s talking about all citizens. In the 1950s, there were a hell of a lot more graduates. That would seriously alter your statistics. I guess I’d feel better if there’s any sort of comparable data.
Oh and as long as we’re all pileing onto Pedro, I’d point out that a violation of a UN treaty means the UN can go to war, not a member nation.
Nuh-uh, Leroy.
Malkin had it right, Drudge had it wrong. It’s percent of people OVER 25.
In any case, whoever had it right, why doesn’t Kerry learn to stop talking out of his backside?
Good advice. Have you seen any explanation of where he came up with that number?
most of you really are idiots…
I didn’t say found, I said had the capability and known ability to make and use WMD’s. Since you can make Sarin in your basement, with very little equipment, not finding industrial labs certainly doesn’t mean they would not make and use the stuff, as the Kurds found out.
Curmudgeon is now arguing that Israel should be destroyed….nice. Drop the moral relativism for a second and realize that we are talking about a totality of actions, not individual ones. My favorite is his “waaah” argument…”I mean, they were shooting, but they never really HIT anyone”….what an f’ing moron.
I remain absolutely fascinated by your constant reference to my profession. I guess when guys like you spend so much time lying about yourselves on dating websites, it seems natural to assume that everyone does it. Or I possibly you feel a little intimidated when dealing with someone with an advanced level of education and training when you are a “movie critic” for a free newspaper or a graduate student or something……either way, relax…it makes you look self-conscious and kinda silly.
Pedro, the article you cited had nothing to do with Saddam’s pre-war capabilites, so regardless of what reason you cited it for (although it’s obvious you posted it to rebut O-dub’s assertion that bush lied about having found WMD in 2003) it is irrelevant. Then to pretend you didn’t do that is just a little bizarre. I believe you are a deeply dishonest person. Go away.
I didn t say found, I said had the capability and known ability to make and use WMD s. Since you can make Sarin in your basement, with very little equipment, not finding industrial labs certainly doesn t mean they would not make and use the stuff, as the Kurds found out.
Then everyone can make it, and that nullifies Iraq being any more likely to make it than Mexico. As far as ‘the Kurds’, that was largely due to Bush 41 betraying them.
In any event, it is not a reason to attack Iraq, it was not a threat to the US, even if Saddam somehow miraculously was able to make any.
Do you f—ing get it? That tired BS is not a legal justification for attacking anyone, Iraq or anyone else.
Curmudgeon is now arguing that Israel should be destroyed& .nice. Drop the moral relativism for a second and realize that we are talking about a totality of actions, not individual ones. My favorite is his waaah argument& I mean, they were shooting, but they never really HIT anyone & .what an f ing moron.
No, he is not saying that sreal should be destroyed, he is saying, and rightfully so, that YOU think Isreal should be destroyed, because YOU say that is a valid reason for destroying Iraq. Drop the psuedo-intellectualizing for a moment, quit your whining. We are not talking about the totality of actions’, you fucking idiot, the war was falsly justified for other reasons, the UN never said anything about invading Iraq over ‘resolutions’.
In any event, it is not a reason to attack Iraq, it was not a threat to the US, even if Saddam somehow violated a hundred resolutions.
My favorite is his waaah argument& I mean, they were shooting, but they never really HIT anyone & .what an f ing moron.
Huh? Straw men, again? You sure don’t have a clue, do you?
I remain absolutely fascinated by your constant reference to my profession. I guess when guys like you spend so much time lying about yourselves on dating websites, it seems natural to assume that everyone does it.
Hah, as far as I know, you don’t have a profession, I doubt you have any education above grade school.
Or I possibly you feel a little intimidated when dealing with someone with an advanced level of education and training when you are a movie critic for a free newspaper or a graduate student or something
You have a immature level of emotional development, and an unsophisticated ability for lying. I notice how you backtrack from “movie critic” to “graduate student or something”. That expresses intimidation, freak, you are one of the stupidist people I read anywhere, I agree entirely with factcheck:
“Peedro is so stupid that he just HAS to be a parody poster, mocking the other con trolls on this site. He(she,it) just can t be a serious poster, right?
How stupid can one be to continually post links that actually CONTRADICT his own talking points?”
either way, relax& it makes you look self-conscious and kinda silly.
Projection.
You know, Quackery smith, we had a client one time with end stage symptoms of dementia. He claimed he was a ‘world renowned psychologist’. I asked him about IQ, and he reported that his was at least 240.
Yours must be double that, eh? LMAO!
naa….about 156….
But it didn’t take long for the “you’re the stupidist” to come out…..
I don’t have the time or interest to go back and do a point by point fisking…the entire free world believed that saddam had WMD’s, the security council voted to force saddam to live up to his end of he bargain, and because of his past use of WMD’s he was a threat to the US on a daily basis.
You are unfortunately inexorable linked to this issue, but in order for you to maintain a shred of credibility, things have to go badly in Iraq. They aren’t, and the lefties are getting nervous about it. I don’t blame you. I suspect that explains a lot of the ad hominem (Quakery smith? WTF?) and three-page posts.
Time will tell kiddies, and the lefties are backing the wrong horse…
Things are going well? When did that happen?
Go away. You linked to something that did not prove what you said, then changed to an even more incoherent story, then pretended as if it never happened, then blamed your lack of a substantive response/apology to a “lack of time”. Go away. If you don’t have time to deal honestly with your false claims then spend the time elsewhere. Go away.
This was just plain egregious. I’ve never seen anything like that here or anywhere else, for that matter. I’m used to politicians and political hack bloggers/journalists lying because they seem to think they have a dog in the race. But never from a commentor on a blog, who really has no reason or incentive to be dishonest. I’m just confused at this point. Anyway, moving on.
I guess he didn’t have time to post a link to his peer reviewed paper either. Or any of the other things that relate to the dubious claims he makes.
It’s funny, he posts here over 12-15 hours/day when there is a heated thread, but when his facts are challenged, all of a sudden he “doesn’t have time”. Interesting, that.
Hey Doc -
What do you think would have happened if the inspections continued vs. lets say, your idea of diplomacy?
Well…except for the people who were actually in Iraq looking for the WMD.
I don’t believe that the Bush Administration was convinced that Hussein had WMDs, as evidenced by them not sending enough troops to secure suspected WMD sites or to secure the borders where looted WMDs and munitions would be smuggled out to later explode in DrPedro’s basement Sarin lab. Ahhhh! He’s a doctor who has too much knowledge about the manufacture of Sarin. Watch out liberals!
We must invade Iran before March 8 so they cannot start selling their oil in Euros producing WMD’s that could reach the East Coast in minutes!
“I remain absolutely fascinated by your constant reference to my profession.”
Pedro, who would mention it if you didn’t repeatedly bring it up as the source of your authority on so many issues? Just the other day you bitched about how obvious it was that you were the only commenter on a thread who had ever been published in peer reviewed science journals. Well, when are you going to give us the citation information? I’m wagering you never will because you’re full of shit.
Well, frame you are right, I DID mention it….ONCE. Would love to hear your definition of “constant”, I am sure that would be entertaining.
Ya got me graduate student! Keep up the good work…
Yea, what I want is a bunch of moonbats with my address and name! I’m afrain my bibliography is going to have to remain top secret….