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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21173</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it is irresponsible to simply put a  strike through  on that post you had about the  party . I think it would have been better to come out and say,  I am deleting this because it is not true.
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There&#039;s a reason for the strikethrough, Smith. If you take a post down, your detractors claim you&#039;re trying to hide it or pretend you never said it. A strikethrough lets the poster &#039;fess up to the error.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think it is irresponsible to simply put a  strike through  on that post you had about the  party . I think it would have been better to come out and say,  I am deleting this because it is not true.
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<p>There&#8217;s a reason for the strikethrough, Smith. If you take a post down, your detractors claim you&#8217;re trying to hide it or pretend you never said it. A strikethrough lets the poster &#8216;fess up to the error.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21172</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you, and I ask you, in all seriousness, could it be more obvious that BJU is no place for any candidate to speak?
Even if you felt that you had to reach out to the &quot;racists in the crowd&quot;, couldn&#039;t you cut off welfare (it didn&#039;t hurt Clinton), speak out against affirmative action, say busing for integration was a mistake?
As I said, there are a thousand ways to say anything...
Call Bush anything you want, but he is a masterful campaigner (ask John Kerry)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you, and I ask you, in all seriousness, could it be more obvious that BJU is no place for any candidate to speak?<br />
Even if you felt that you had to reach out to the &#8220;racists in the crowd&#8221;, couldn&#8217;t you cut off welfare (it didn&#8217;t hurt Clinton), speak out against affirmative action, say busing for integration was a mistake?<br />
As I said, there are a thousand ways to say anything&#8230;<br />
Call Bush anything you want, but he is a masterful campaigner (ask John Kerry)</p>
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		<title>By: Dkelsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21171</link>
		<dc:creator>Dkelsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Frank,

An excerpt from a Google Cache &lt;a href=&#039;http://216.239.51.104/u/BJU?q=cache:2jKGRpvY-xoJ:www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/index+interracial&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=us&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;of a page that was taken down from Bob Jones University.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Does the University believe that those who choose interracial marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe, however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism toward God because they are often the same entities that promote homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.&lt;/i&gt;

Huh?  I am reading that word for word, but somehow I get the feeling that loving someone of a different race is a form of &quot;social radicalism&quot;.  Am I the only one to get that vibe?

Frank,

I really like you man, and I respect your opinion and enjoy reading your comments; but if you can&#039;t honestly say that any elected official, or person who is running for public office, has made a big mistake by speaking at a place like this, then I completely misjudged you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Frank,</p>
<p>An excerpt from a Google Cache <a href='http://216.239.51.104/u/BJU?q=cache:2jKGRpvY-xoJ:www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/index+interracial&#038;hl=en&#038;gl=us&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;ie=UTF-8' rel="nofollow">of a page that was taken down from Bob Jones University.</a></p>
<p><i>Does the University believe that those who choose interracial marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe, however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism toward God because they are often the same entities that promote homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.</i></p>
<p>Huh?  I am reading that word for word, but somehow I get the feeling that loving someone of a different race is a form of &#8220;social radicalism&#8221;.  Am I the only one to get that vibe?</p>
<p>Frank,</p>
<p>I really like you man, and I respect your opinion and enjoy reading your comments; but if you can&#8217;t honestly say that any elected official, or person who is running for public office, has made a big mistake by speaking at a place like this, then I completely misjudged you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dkelsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21170</link>
		<dc:creator>Dkelsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Frank D,

&lt;i&gt;How about this one? You re speaking at Bob Jones University, because, in spite of the fact that there is a restriction on interracial dating, it is a fine school, and you want to reach out to college - age southern Christian kids?&lt;/i&gt;

I am not commenting on anything else, but &quot;restrictions on interracial dating&quot; would not be in existence at a truly Christian School.

@ Oliver,

I think it is irresponsible to simply put a &quot;strike through&quot; on that post you had about the &quot;party&quot;.  I think it would have been better to come out and say, &quot;I am deleting this because it is not true.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Frank D,</p>
<p><i>How about this one? You re speaking at Bob Jones University, because, in spite of the fact that there is a restriction on interracial dating, it is a fine school, and you want to reach out to college &#8211; age southern Christian kids?</i></p>
<p>I am not commenting on anything else, but &#8220;restrictions on interracial dating&#8221; would not be in existence at a truly Christian School.</p>
<p>@ Oliver,</p>
<p>I think it is irresponsible to simply put a &#8220;strike through&#8221; on that post you had about the &#8220;party&#8221;.  I think it would have been better to come out and say, &#8220;I am deleting this because it is not true.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21169</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if I didn&#039;t know it was true? Then you are what? Say it with me, an IDIOT!

So, what you&#039;re all saying is that President Bush (excuse me, but I prefer to call him by his real name -- I assume you know who I mean) &lt;i&gt;preferred&lt;/i&gt; to speak at the one (are you sure?) Christian college in the South well known for its racist policies. The Bob Jones university whose chancellor referred to Catholicism as Satanic. (He did?) The Bob Jones University that was funded by the Klan. (It was?)

Drum roll, please, here comes one of those &quot;either / or&quot;&#039;s again... At the very least, it was racially insensitive, at the most, it was a clear signal to the racist base.

I have a third possibility, of course. You are totally full of crap. There are about a thousand ways to &quot;signal the racist base.&quot; Why subject yourself to all that flack? And who did he put his middle finger up to?

People that wouldn&#039;t vote for him in a million years?

These &quot;symbolically racist&quot;, or is it &quot;racially symbolic&quot; gestures are all BS, and you know it. Like that crap about Chris Matthews and Kennedy molesting Mrs. Alito, or Project 21 saying something nice about Correta Scott King now, and something not - so - nice 4 years ago.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if I didn&#8217;t know it was true? Then you are what? Say it with me, an IDIOT!</p>
<p>So, what you&#8217;re all saying is that President Bush (excuse me, but I prefer to call him by his real name &#8212; I assume you know who I mean) <i>preferred</i> to speak at the one (are you sure?) Christian college in the South well known for its racist policies. The Bob Jones university whose chancellor referred to Catholicism as Satanic. (He did?) The Bob Jones University that was funded by the Klan. (It was?)</p>
<p>Drum roll, please, here comes one of those &#8220;either / or&#8221;&#8216;s again&#8230; At the very least, it was racially insensitive, at the most, it was a clear signal to the racist base.</p>
<p>I have a third possibility, of course. You are totally full of crap. There are about a thousand ways to &#8220;signal the racist base.&#8221; Why subject yourself to all that flack? And who did he put his middle finger up to?</p>
<p>People that wouldn&#8217;t vote for him in a million years?</p>
<p>These &#8220;symbolically racist&#8221;, or is it &#8220;racially symbolic&#8221; gestures are all BS, and you know it. Like that crap about Chris Matthews and Kennedy molesting Mrs. Alito, or Project 21 saying something nice about Correta Scott King now, and something not &#8211; so &#8211; nice 4 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: mjb</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21168</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, why would anyone want to reach out to college-age kids attending a racist university unless to try to change their minds?  That&#039;s not what Bush was doing, and BJU would not have allowed a speaker to say thing contrary to their mission.
and
Gore has nothing to repent about, he raised a policy difference once at a debate.  Now are you willing to admit that &quot;there is no equivocating on the Willie Horton issue   it was first used by Al gore against Michael Dukakis&quot; is a false statement?  And are you going to try to understand why Rush, etc have lied to you about this?
and
&quot;Speaking of smears, how about the  sea of white at the republican convention ? If only 2% of black folks support Bush, where would the black faces come from?&quot;  There you go with the satire again.  Good stuff.  Of course your keen sense of humor touches on the tender underbelly which is the real issue - that there are few black republicans.  It&#039;s funny because it&#039;s true!!
and
I&#039;m sorry, but if you knew that the Willie Horton statement was false and you said it anyway, you are a, what? Say it with me, LIAR!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, why would anyone want to reach out to college-age kids attending a racist university unless to try to change their minds?  That&#8217;s not what Bush was doing, and BJU would not have allowed a speaker to say thing contrary to their mission.<br />
and<br />
Gore has nothing to repent about, he raised a policy difference once at a debate.  Now are you willing to admit that &#8220;there is no equivocating on the Willie Horton issue   it was first used by Al gore against Michael Dukakis&#8221; is a false statement?  And are you going to try to understand why Rush, etc have lied to you about this?<br />
and<br />
&#8220;Speaking of smears, how about the  sea of white at the republican convention ? If only 2% of black folks support Bush, where would the black faces come from?&#8221;  There you go with the satire again.  Good stuff.  Of course your keen sense of humor touches on the tender underbelly which is the real issue &#8211; that there are few black republicans.  It&#8217;s funny because it&#8217;s true!!<br />
and<br />
I&#8217;m sorry, but if you knew that the Willie Horton statement was false and you said it anyway, you are a, what? Say it with me, LIAR!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21167</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Riiight   the Democrats   good guys that they are   only mentioned the prison release program. That s certainly not racially tinged, now is it?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is, but only if you assume criminals are black. Mr. Gore didn&#039;t imply it.

Do you know anybody who would make that assumption?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Riiight   the Democrats   good guys that they are   only mentioned the prison release program. That s certainly not racially tinged, now is it?
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<p>It is, but only if you assume criminals are black. Mr. Gore didn&#8217;t imply it.</p>
<p>Do you know anybody who would make that assumption?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mjb: &lt;i&gt;To go out of ones way to speak there [BJU] over other universities says something about the speaker, that he s either ignorant of that fact or somewhat condones the ban on interracial dating.&lt;/i&gt;
This is what I&#039;m talking about. Unless you speak at every college in the country, you have to choose one &quot;over the other.&quot; I&#039;m not buying your &quot;either / or&quot; construction, by the way.

How about this one? You&#039;re speaking at Bob Jones University, because, in spite of the fact that there is a restriction on interracial dating, it is a fine school, and you want to reach out to college - age southern Christian kids?

It couldn&#039;t be that, could it?

Of course not, you&#039;re the lefties... You make the rules, you define the terms, you decide everyone&#039;s motives.

In the last half hour, I became a racist - enabler and a liar. The &quot;liar designation&quot; is particularly remarkable, because it precludes falling back to the &quot;mistaken position.&quot; I can&#039;t go there, because the accuser recalls something I don&#039;t: That my mistake is not a mistake, because a) I said it before; and b) it was pointed out to me.

Whether or not this is true ceases to be relevant, because I have &quot;been told.&quot; I have become a &quot;racist - enabler&quot; (and I&#039;m not even sure what that is, or how I became one) and a &quot;liar,&quot; with no recourse.

If I&#039;m ever charged with a serious crime, and you&#039;re on the jury, please identify yourselves, so I can hang myself in prison.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mjb: <i>To go out of ones way to speak there [BJU] over other universities says something about the speaker, that he s either ignorant of that fact or somewhat condones the ban on interracial dating.</i><br />
This is what I&#8217;m talking about. Unless you speak at every college in the country, you have to choose one &#8220;over the other.&#8221; I&#8217;m not buying your &#8220;either / or&#8221; construction, by the way.</p>
<p>How about this one? You&#8217;re speaking at Bob Jones University, because, in spite of the fact that there is a restriction on interracial dating, it is a fine school, and you want to reach out to college &#8211; age southern Christian kids?</p>
<p>It couldn&#8217;t be that, could it?</p>
<p>Of course not, you&#8217;re the lefties&#8230; You make the rules, you define the terms, you decide everyone&#8217;s motives.</p>
<p>In the last half hour, I became a racist &#8211; enabler and a liar. The &#8220;liar designation&#8221; is particularly remarkable, because it precludes falling back to the &#8220;mistaken position.&#8221; I can&#8217;t go there, because the accuser recalls something I don&#8217;t: That my mistake is not a mistake, because a) I said it before; and b) it was pointed out to me.</p>
<p>Whether or not this is true ceases to be relevant, because I have &#8220;been told.&#8221; I have become a &#8220;racist &#8211; enabler&#8221; (and I&#8217;m not even sure what that is, or how I became one) and a &#8220;liar,&#8221; with no recourse.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m ever charged with a serious crime, and you&#8217;re on the jury, please identify yourselves, so I can hang myself in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Frank, for coming through with an example of what I just promised to JWG:  Republicans unapologetically repeating long-discredited smears.

And I know, because I&#039;ve seen it on this site, that you have had what Quaker points out to you here pointed out to you before.  Yet you continue to repeat the smear.

That makes you not just a repbulican, not just a racist-enabler, but a deliberate liar.

Not all Republicans are liars, but you are.

Are you paid to do it?  Do you at least get a little money in return for your soul?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Frank, for coming through with an example of what I just promised to JWG:  Republicans unapologetically repeating long-discredited smears.</p>
<p>And I know, because I&#8217;ve seen it on this site, that you have had what Quaker points out to you here pointed out to you before.  Yet you continue to repeat the smear.</p>
<p>That makes you not just a repbulican, not just a racist-enabler, but a deliberate liar.</p>
<p>Not all Republicans are liars, but you are.</p>
<p>Are you paid to do it?  Do you at least get a little money in return for your soul?</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21164</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of all the Christian colleges in the South (there are dozens, if not hundreds), Shrub&#039;s handlers picked the ONE well known for its racist policies.  The Bob Jones university whose chancellor referred to Catholicism as Satanic.  The Bob Jones University that was funded by the Klan.

At the very least, it was racially insensitive, at the most, it was a clear signal to the racist base.

This BJU visit was planned- Shrub had the chance to cancel it, or cite &quot;scheduling conflicts&quot;.  Instead, he put up his middle finger and spoke there anyway.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of all the Christian colleges in the South (there are dozens, if not hundreds), Shrub&#8217;s handlers picked the ONE well known for its racist policies.  The Bob Jones university whose chancellor referred to Catholicism as Satanic.  The Bob Jones University that was funded by the Klan.</p>
<p>At the very least, it was racially insensitive, at the most, it was a clear signal to the racist base.</p>
<p>This BJU visit was planned- Shrub had the chance to cancel it, or cite &#8220;scheduling conflicts&#8221;.  Instead, he put up his middle finger and spoke there anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riiight -- the Democrats -- good guys that they are -- only mentioned the prison release program. That&#039;s certainly not racially tinged, now is it?
And at least Atwater repented. Do you think Gore will do the same when he&#039;s on his deathbed? He&#039;d better be dying a long time -- he&#039;s got a lot to repent for.

Speaking of smears, how about the &quot;sea of white at the republican convention&quot;? If only 2% of black folks support Bush, where would the black faces come from? You wouldn&#039;t be implying that blacks were excluded, would you? And I noticed you didn&#039;t address the other issues, did you?

Why not?

&lt;i&gt;Do you at least get a little money in return for your soul?&lt;/i&gt;
Wilbur, save the drama for your Mama...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riiight &#8212; the Democrats &#8212; good guys that they are &#8212; only mentioned the prison release program. That&#8217;s certainly not racially tinged, now is it?<br />
And at least Atwater repented. Do you think Gore will do the same when he&#8217;s on his deathbed? He&#8217;d better be dying a long time &#8212; he&#8217;s got a lot to repent for.</p>
<p>Speaking of smears, how about the &#8220;sea of white at the republican convention&#8221;? If only 2% of black folks support Bush, where would the black faces come from? You wouldn&#8217;t be implying that blacks were excluded, would you? And I noticed you didn&#8217;t address the other issues, did you?</p>
<p>Why not?</p>
<p><i>Do you at least get a little money in return for your soul?</i><br />
Wilbur, save the drama for your Mama&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21162</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it was first used by Al gore against Michael Dukakis.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wrong again, Frank.

In one--&lt;i&gt;just one&lt;/i&gt;--of dozens of debates, Gore challenged Dukakis&#039; prison furlough program. Never mentioned Willie Horton. Or his victim. Or his crime. Never ran any TV commercials with scary pictures of Mr. Horton.

That was all Lee Atwater&#039;s handiwork, of which he repented before he died of brain cancer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it was first used by Al gore against Michael Dukakis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wrong again, Frank.</p>
<p>In one&#8211;<i>just one</i>&#8211;of dozens of debates, Gore challenged Dukakis&#8217; prison furlough program. Never mentioned Willie Horton. Or his victim. Or his crime. Never ran any TV commercials with scary pictures of Mr. Horton.</p>
<p>That was all Lee Atwater&#8217;s handiwork, of which he repented before he died of brain cancer.</p>
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		<title>By: mjb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must not have read every other time on other threads that we&#039;ve had to correct a troll about Willie Horton.  Now before you read the following helpful link, think about why Rush, Hannity and the Winger blogs would lie to you about this, then think about why you want to believe it so badly.  Then think about why you are so sure as to say &quot;there is no equivocating&quot; on this issue.  I have my suspicions, but you need to answer it for yourself.
No go here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100007.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100007.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100007.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110102.shtml.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110102.shtml.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110102.shtml.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Here&#039;s a sample:
&quot;Is it true? Did Al Gore  bring Willie Horton to the American people?  Did Al Gore  bring Willie Horton into that race?  Only in the dysfunctional world of our deeply devolved public discourse. What actually happened in 1988? In one of 45 Dem debates that year, Candidate Gore challenged Candidate Dukakis to defend a Massachusetts furlough program under which convicts serving life sentences without hope of parole were released on weekend passes. In particular, Gore noted that two furloughed prisoners had committed new murders while on weekend leave. (Willie Horton was not one of these convicts.) The program was almost impossible to defend. But Gore only mentioned the program once, and he never mentioned any prisoner s name; never mentioned any prisoner s race; never ran any TV ads on the topic; and never used any visuals. More specifically, he never named Willie Horton, or mentioned his specific crime (Horton committed a brutal rape while on leave). In the Bush-Dukakis general election, the Bush campaign and an independent, pro-Bush group made extensive use of the Horton incident. In particular, the independent group used visuals of Horton which seemed to emphasize his race (he was black). In later years, as he neared his death, Bush campaign director Lee Atwater apologized for his own conduct in pushing the racial aspects of the Horton matter.&quot;

And Bob Jones University is racist.  To go out of ones way to speak there over other universities says something about the speaker, that he&#039;s either ignorant of that fact or somewhat condones the ban on interracial dating.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must not have read every other time on other threads that we&#8217;ve had to correct a troll about Willie Horton.  Now before you read the following helpful link, think about why Rush, Hannity and the Winger blogs would lie to you about this, then think about why you want to believe it so badly.  Then think about why you are so sure as to say &#8220;there is no equivocating&#8221; on this issue.  I have my suspicions, but you need to answer it for yourself.<br />
No go here: <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100007." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100007." rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100007.</a> and here: <a href="http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110102.shtml." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110102.shtml." rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110102.shtml.</a><br />
Here&#8217;s a sample:<br />
&#8220;Is it true? Did Al Gore  bring Willie Horton to the American people?  Did Al Gore  bring Willie Horton into that race?  Only in the dysfunctional world of our deeply devolved public discourse. What actually happened in 1988? In one of 45 Dem debates that year, Candidate Gore challenged Candidate Dukakis to defend a Massachusetts furlough program under which convicts serving life sentences without hope of parole were released on weekend passes. In particular, Gore noted that two furloughed prisoners had committed new murders while on weekend leave. (Willie Horton was not one of these convicts.) The program was almost impossible to defend. But Gore only mentioned the program once, and he never mentioned any prisoner s name; never mentioned any prisoner s race; never ran any TV ads on the topic; and never used any visuals. More specifically, he never named Willie Horton, or mentioned his specific crime (Horton committed a brutal rape while on leave). In the Bush-Dukakis general election, the Bush campaign and an independent, pro-Bush group made extensive use of the Horton incident. In particular, the independent group used visuals of Horton which seemed to emphasize his race (he was black). In later years, as he neared his death, Bush campaign director Lee Atwater apologized for his own conduct in pushing the racial aspects of the Horton matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Bob Jones University is racist.  To go out of ones way to speak there over other universities says something about the speaker, that he&#8217;s either ignorant of that fact or somewhat condones the ban on interracial dating.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21160</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, there is no equivocating on the Willie Horton issue -- it was first used by Al gore against Michael Dukakis. The Democrats own it. If the Republicans used it, &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt;, then both parties share it.
If you define racism as I do -- that blacks are inferior to whites, and deserve less simply because they are black -- then I know very few racists, Democrat or Republican.

It&#039;s only when you get tangled up in things like Affirmative Action (to oppose it is racist), school vouchers (to favor them is racist), the death penalty (to favor it is racist), speaking at Bob Jone University (speaking there is racist); that things get twisted.

One can&#039;t define racism as &quot;acknowledging the existence of different races,&quot; and then say, &quot;Let &#039;s talk about race.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, there is no equivocating on the Willie Horton issue &#8212; it was first used by Al gore against Michael Dukakis. The Democrats own it. If the Republicans used it, <i>too</i>, then both parties share it.<br />
If you define racism as I do &#8212; that blacks are inferior to whites, and deserve less simply because they are black &#8212; then I know very few racists, Democrat or Republican.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when you get tangled up in things like Affirmative Action (to oppose it is racist), school vouchers (to favor them is racist), the death penalty (to favor it is racist), speaking at Bob Jone University (speaking there is racist); that things get twisted.</p>
<p>One can&#8217;t define racism as &#8220;acknowledging the existence of different races,&#8221; and then say, &#8220;Let &#8216;s talk about race.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21159</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I&#039;ve never said that all republicans are racist.  Some are racist, some exploit and pander to racists in their own party, most of the rest are neither racist nor pander to racists but are racist-enablers for remaining silent or equivocating on things like the Willie Horton issue, the Reagan-in-Philadelphia issue, the Bob Jones issue, the sea of white at the repub convention, etc.

Meanwhile, I thought you had said that you had never met a racist republican.  All I was saying is they&#039;re not too hard to find.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I&#8217;ve never said that all republicans are racist.  Some are racist, some exploit and pander to racists in their own party, most of the rest are neither racist nor pander to racists but are racist-enablers for remaining silent or equivocating on things like the Willie Horton issue, the Reagan-in-Philadelphia issue, the Bob Jones issue, the sea of white at the repub convention, etc.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I thought you had said that you had never met a racist republican.  All I was saying is they&#8217;re not too hard to find.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21158</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you really don t know a such people, Frank, you have lived a very sheltered life indeed.&lt;/i&gt;
No, Wilbur, I haven&#039;t led a sheltered life. You&#039;re just an idiot who thinks you can tell me about my life, when you don&#039;t know me. As  Jay C has said, I know Democrats that are racists, but I don&#039;t believe that &quot;Democrats are racists&quot; because of it. That would be absurdly anecdotal.
The weekly &quot;Republicans are racists&quot; thread is elsewhere today. No, I logged on to say that Jesse Jackson would make a lousy pinata -- if you busted him open, filet mignon would come out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you really don t know a such people, Frank, you have lived a very sheltered life indeed.</i><br />
No, Wilbur, I haven&#8217;t led a sheltered life. You&#8217;re just an idiot who thinks you can tell me about my life, when you don&#8217;t know me. As  Jay C has said, I know Democrats that are racists, but I don&#8217;t believe that &#8220;Democrats are racists&#8221; because of it. That would be absurdly anecdotal.<br />
The weekly &#8220;Republicans are racists&#8221; thread is elsewhere today. No, I logged on to say that Jesse Jackson would make a lousy pinata &#8212; if you busted him open, filet mignon would come out.</p>
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		<title>By: Leroy Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21157</link>
		<dc:creator>Leroy Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hmmm&amp; do you have an example you can link to?&quot;

What about the swift-boat nonsense?  In the cases of both Kerry and Murtha, wasn&#039;t it proven that they both did in fact earn their medals?  Last I heard, Brent Bozell and CNSnews were still trying to prove that Kerry spent Vietnam sleeping with Jane Fonda and plotting Nixon&#039;s assassination...  Never an apology for either of them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hmmm&#038; do you have an example you can link to?&#8221;</p>
<p>What about the swift-boat nonsense?  In the cases of both Kerry and Murtha, wasn&#8217;t it proven that they both did in fact earn their medals?  Last I heard, Brent Bozell and CNSnews were still trying to prove that Kerry spent Vietnam sleeping with Jane Fonda and plotting Nixon&#8217;s assassination&#8230;  Never an apology for either of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Zappa</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21156</link>
		<dc:creator>Zappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is up with IAN&#039;s link?  I don&#039;t get the point -

the Bistro looks nice though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is up with IAN&#8217;s link?  I don&#8217;t get the point -</p>
<p>the Bistro looks nice though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21155</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian went to a lot of troubleto put a fake SOTU party up on the democrats.org site.  Unfortunately for him, only in rightwing caricatures do Democrats moan about the stupidity of the electorate then pair off for random &quot;coupling&quot;.

In contrast, the notion that Republicans would engage in the symbolic lynching of a prominent black leader has what your eighth-grade English teacher would call &quot;verisimilitude&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian went to a lot of troubleto put a fake SOTU party up on the democrats.org site.  Unfortunately for him, only in rightwing caricatures do Democrats moan about the stupidity of the electorate then pair off for random &#8220;coupling&#8221;.</p>
<p>In contrast, the notion that Republicans would engage in the symbolic lynching of a prominent black leader has what your eighth-grade English teacher would call &#8220;verisimilitude&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/30/cant-help-themselves-2/#comment-21154</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick around, JWG. If you follow these pages you&#039;ll soon see some right-wank, perhaps even yourself, referring to to long-discredited allegations against democrats, such as Gore-invented-the-internet or Gore-brought-up-Willie-Horton-first, such as travel-gate and file-gate, and the Foster murder and Whitewater.  Perhaps I missed something but I haven&#039;t seen a single right-wing site apologize for or retract the contemptible lies told against Kerry in the last election, from the Swift-boat smear to the half-truths about his defense voting record.

This particular lie did have &quot;truthiness&quot; to it.  If you were skeptical of it, it wasn&#039;t becuase you thought Republicans would never do such a thing, but because you thought that they&#039;d never be dumb enough to publicize it under the RNC imprimatur.  Because we all know Republicans who not only would, but &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; done such things.  If you really don&#039;t know a such people, Frank, you have lived a very sheltered life indeed.

And I&#039;m wondering, now that Oliver has retracted the post, if Jay will have the balls to retract his comment about Oliver.

I never will understand people who come on someone else&#039;s blog just to insult them.  What a prick move!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick around, JWG. If you follow these pages you&#8217;ll soon see some right-wank, perhaps even yourself, referring to to long-discredited allegations against democrats, such as Gore-invented-the-internet or Gore-brought-up-Willie-Horton-first, such as travel-gate and file-gate, and the Foster murder and Whitewater.  Perhaps I missed something but I haven&#8217;t seen a single right-wing site apologize for or retract the contemptible lies told against Kerry in the last election, from the Swift-boat smear to the half-truths about his defense voting record.</p>
<p>This particular lie did have &#8220;truthiness&#8221; to it.  If you were skeptical of it, it wasn&#8217;t becuase you thought Republicans would never do such a thing, but because you thought that they&#8217;d never be dumb enough to publicize it under the RNC imprimatur.  Because we all know Republicans who not only would, but <i>have</i> done such things.  If you really don&#8217;t know a such people, Frank, you have lived a very sheltered life indeed.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m wondering, now that Oliver has retracted the post, if Jay will have the balls to retract his comment about Oliver.</p>
<p>I never will understand people who come on someone else&#8217;s blog just to insult them.  What a prick move!</p>
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