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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still keeping that copy of the Starr report tucked under the mattress, Dug?&quot;

Yeah.  From time to time the image of Bill and Monica and the cigar precludes the need for a more costly emetic.

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still keeping that copy of the Starr report tucked under the mattress, Dug?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah.  From time to time the image of Bill and Monica and the cigar precludes the need for a more costly emetic.</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: JayTea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20302</link>
		<dc:creator>JayTea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Factcheck, when did you stop raping your mother?

Just looking to &quot;elevate the discourse.&quot;

Actually, that was my second response. My first was something like 2.5, -4, or 3.141592654...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factcheck, when did you stop raping your mother?</p>
<p>Just looking to &#8220;elevate the discourse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, that was my second response. My first was something like 2.5, -4, or 3.141592654&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rhys</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaveFarris: &quot;Starting from such a flawed premise, it s hard to even see this survey as effective satire.&quot;

It&#039;s not satire.  It&#039;s a hypothetical.

Every human being has a &quot;moral line&quot;, which they will not cross because they consider the other side of it to be immoral in the extreme.  Liberals and conservatives draw this line in different places, but everyone has it.

For liberals, the line was crossed several hundred miles back.  Torture, Valerie Plame, Iraq in general, corporate shenanigans, corruption at every level, hard-hearted social policies, on and on.

The question that August is trying to get conservatives to answer is: &quot;Where is your moral line?&quot;.

Your problem is that you know that the only valid answer is &quot;No, I will not support Bush if he killed a kitten with a hammer&quot;, but to admit that involves actually having enough self-reflection to admit that there is indeed a line, it has already been crossed, and you voted to let Bush cross it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaveFarris: &#8220;Starting from such a flawed premise, it s hard to even see this survey as effective satire.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not satire.  It&#8217;s a hypothetical.</p>
<p>Every human being has a &#8220;moral line&#8221;, which they will not cross because they consider the other side of it to be immoral in the extreme.  Liberals and conservatives draw this line in different places, but everyone has it.</p>
<p>For liberals, the line was crossed several hundred miles back.  Torture, Valerie Plame, Iraq in general, corporate shenanigans, corruption at every level, hard-hearted social policies, on and on.</p>
<p>The question that August is trying to get conservatives to answer is: &#8220;Where is your moral line?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your problem is that you know that the only valid answer is &#8220;No, I will not support Bush if he killed a kitten with a hammer&#8221;, but to admit that involves actually having enough self-reflection to admit that there is indeed a line, it has already been crossed, and you voted to let Bush cross it.</p>
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		<title>By: TomboyMS</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20300</link>
		<dc:creator>TomboyMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--Dumb guy says with smirk&amp;  heh, heh, heh&amp; &amp; .I like that. Kill that bad kitty. He tried to bite my Daddy. God wants that kitty dead. --

OMG! That&#039;s f&#039;ing hilarious!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;Dumb guy says with smirk&#038;  heh, heh, heh&#038; &#038; .I like that. Kill that bad kitty. He tried to bite my Daddy. God wants that kitty dead. &#8211;</p>
<p>OMG! That&#8217;s f&#8217;ing hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton Lovecraft</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20299</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamilton Lovecraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaveFarris:
&lt;i&gt;Starting from such a flawed premise [surveyed individual is a conservative who supports the President and all his actions], it s hard to even see this survey as effective satire. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m a bleeding heart liberal, the question hasn&#039;t been directed to me, and yet I&#039;m not afraid to answer it. So I ask again: why are the surveyed so damned defensive about it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaveFarris:<br />
<i>Starting from such a flawed premise [surveyed individual is a conservative who supports the President and all his actions], it s hard to even see this survey as effective satire. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bleeding heart liberal, the question hasn&#8217;t been directed to me, and yet I&#8217;m not afraid to answer it. So I ask again: why are the surveyed so damned defensive about it?</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20298</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would depend on whether or not someone at the CIA told Cheney, Wolfowitz and Bremmer if the kitten was harboring a viral infection that threatened the homeland.

Even if there wasn&#039;t compelling evidence of an infected feline menace, the three stooges, above, at one point or another, would find reasons, because kittens have always been a problem, in their eyes. We can&#039;t contain the kitty in his litterbox, we can&#039;t allow a veterinarian to examine the kitty every 6 months for rabid kitty diease...we have to kill it to make it go away and more importantly, to save the homeland.

So, this is what they tell the dumb guy in the Oval Office. &quot;We can&#039;t contain the kitty, the Vet is  too slow, and probably crazy, we have to act, and act now to save the homeland. Let&#039;s tell those kitty loving liberals that the kitty has infected feline menace. When they find out he doesn&#039;t, we&#039;ll just tell everyone that kittys are horrible animals that treat mice really bad. If you tell dumb people something long enough, and often enough, they&#039;ll believe you, Mr. President.&quot;

Dumb guy says with smirk...&quot;heh, heh, heh.......I like that. Kill that bad kitty. He tried to bite my Daddy. God wants that kitty dead.&quot;

(Only took one time for Bush to fall for it.)

Plausible? I think so.

JK
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would depend on whether or not someone at the CIA told Cheney, Wolfowitz and Bremmer if the kitten was harboring a viral infection that threatened the homeland.</p>
<p>Even if there wasn&#8217;t compelling evidence of an infected feline menace, the three stooges, above, at one point or another, would find reasons, because kittens have always been a problem, in their eyes. We can&#8217;t contain the kitty in his litterbox, we can&#8217;t allow a veterinarian to examine the kitty every 6 months for rabid kitty diease&#8230;we have to kill it to make it go away and more importantly, to save the homeland.</p>
<p>So, this is what they tell the dumb guy in the Oval Office. &#8220;We can&#8217;t contain the kitty, the Vet is  too slow, and probably crazy, we have to act, and act now to save the homeland. Let&#8217;s tell those kitty loving liberals that the kitty has infected feline menace. When they find out he doesn&#8217;t, we&#8217;ll just tell everyone that kittys are horrible animals that treat mice really bad. If you tell dumb people something long enough, and often enough, they&#8217;ll believe you, Mr. President.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dumb guy says with smirk&#8230;&#8221;heh, heh, heh&#8230;&#8230;.I like that. Kill that bad kitty. He tried to bite my Daddy. God wants that kitty dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Only took one time for Bush to fall for it.)</p>
<p>Plausible? I think so.</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20297</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A conservative that s Pro-abortion, anti-Patriot Act, Pro-stem cell, anti-Schaivo, and anti-ID is not a conservative.&quot;

So much for the &quot;big tent&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A conservative that s Pro-abortion, anti-Patriot Act, Pro-stem cell, anti-Schaivo, and anti-ID is not a conservative.&#8221;</p>
<p>So much for the &#8220;big tent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20296</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A conservative that&#039;s Pro-abortion, anti-Patriot Act, Pro-stem cell, anti-Schaivo, and anti-ID is not a conservative.

Ironically, the issues that would paint him most strongly in the Conservative camp (Immigration, Pork, Campaign Finance) are those where he has his strongest disagreements with President Bush, thus negating the premise of the &quot;kitty hammer&quot; question entirely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A conservative that&#8217;s Pro-abortion, anti-Patriot Act, Pro-stem cell, anti-Schaivo, and anti-ID is not a conservative.</p>
<p>Ironically, the issues that would paint him most strongly in the Conservative camp (Immigration, Pork, Campaign Finance) are those where he has his strongest disagreements with President Bush, thus negating the premise of the &#8220;kitty hammer&#8221; question entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20295</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semanticleo, Jay Tea is just &quot;elevating the discourse&quot;.  Kind of funny how they dodge the question.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semanticleo, Jay Tea is just &#8220;elevating the discourse&#8221;.  Kind of funny how they dodge the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20294</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Still&lt;/i&gt; keeping that copy of the Starr report tucked under the mattress, Dug?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Still</i> keeping that copy of the Starr report tucked under the mattress, Dug?</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20293</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;used a kitten to have Ess Eee Ecks&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now that&#039;s gross...I can&#039;t support that at all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>used a kitten to have Ess Eee Ecks</p></blockquote>
<p>Now that&#8217;s gross&#8230;I can&#8217;t support that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20292</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t about any hammer, but I have heard that Bubba ( I apologize in advance for this) abused a p*ssy with a cigar in the oval office. Is that what August means?

Dugger,  If There is a h*ll, I&#039;ll be there
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t about any hammer, but I have heard that Bubba ( I apologize in advance for this) abused a p*ssy with a cigar in the oval office. Is that what August means?</p>
<p>Dugger,  If There is a h*ll, I&#8217;ll be there</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20291</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way...I like the Google ads that this post attracts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;I like the Google ads that this post attracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20290</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buh...buh...but what about Clinton? Bill Clinton used a kitten to have Ess Eee Ecks with an intern.

[winger]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buh&#8230;buh&#8230;but what about Clinton? Bill Clinton used a kitten to have Ess Eee Ecks with an intern.</p>
<p>[winger]</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20289</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is that in setting up the scenario, he says this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;would you, &lt;b&gt;a conservative who supports the President and all his actions&lt;/b&gt;, still support him if he went as far as to kill a kitten with a hammer for no apparent reason? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

He then emails this survey to bloggers, pundits &amp; others who have opposed Bush on issues ranging from Medicare to Immigration to Spending to John Roberts to the Patriot Act.  In fact, a few of the recipients (Reynolds in particular) don&#039;t even self-describe themselves as conservative!

Starting from such a flawed premise, it&#039;s hard to even see this survey as effective satire.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is that in setting up the scenario, he says this:</p>
<blockquote><p>would you, <b>a conservative who supports the President and all his actions</b>, still support him if he went as far as to kill a kitten with a hammer for no apparent reason? </p></blockquote>
<p>He then emails this survey to bloggers, pundits &#038; others who have opposed Bush on issues ranging from Medicare to Immigration to Spending to John Roberts to the Patriot Act.  In fact, a few of the recipients (Reynolds in particular) don&#8217;t even self-describe themselves as conservative!</p>
<p>Starting from such a flawed premise, it&#8217;s hard to even see this survey as effective satire.</p>
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		<title>By: mjb</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20288</link>
		<dc:creator>mjb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter what people call themselves, Reynolds is a conservative.  It&#039;s like saying that we have to wait for Bush and Cheney to admit to lying before we can judge them as liars.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what people call themselves, Reynolds is a conservative.  It&#8217;s like saying that we have to wait for Bush and Cheney to admit to lying before we can judge them as liars.</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20287</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago as a teenager, I seriously injured a kitten with a lawnmower. It was an accident. The kitten was in the grass catcher without my knowledge and jumped out when I started the mower. I had to finish off the poor thing with a shovel to the head.

So, yes...I will support the President in this case. I will not throw my stone. Plus, my wife hates cats.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago as a teenager, I seriously injured a kitten with a lawnmower. It was an accident. The kitten was in the grass catcher without my knowledge and jumped out when I started the mower. I had to finish off the poor thing with a shovel to the head.</p>
<p>So, yes&#8230;I will support the President in this case. I will not throw my stone. Plus, my wife hates cats.</p>
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		<title>By: The Concordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Concordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it. I suspect it&#039;s meant solely to make a point. If it didn&#039;t make it to you, it&#039;s hardly worth explaining, now is it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it. I suspect it&#8217;s meant solely to make a point. If it didn&#8217;t make it to you, it&#8217;s hardly worth explaining, now is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20285</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved JayTea&#039;s response.  It is refreshing in it&#039;s frankness.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved JayTea&#8217;s response.  It is refreshing in it&#8217;s frankness.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton Lovecraft</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/24/kittens-yes-or-no/#comment-20284</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamilton Lovecraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t the righties the ones who claim that lefties are too emotional? Why do all those surveyed get so angry and defensive instead of answering what&#039;s really a very simple question?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t the righties the ones who claim that lefties are too emotional? Why do all those surveyed get so angry and defensive instead of answering what&#8217;s really a very simple question?</p>
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