Didn’t kill my abortion argument. I merely noted it is not a specific right.

And if you don’t know when or where life begins, how can you be so adamant about ‘at birth”. Do you not worry about killing human beings unjustly? If that lil’ Booger is just down the pipe a little bit, kicking and screaming, “let me out” , you are confident about ending its existence? I’m not. I say to this day only an idiot has a unwavering position on abortion – either way. But at least religious people are erring (if they are erring) on the side of life.

JSA, Sorry about the JSF. I’ll be taking my Talisker brief to the Supremes (I thought they would be more symapthetic than the Vandellas) shortly.

Dugger, 10 yr old is like the world’s best campfire water

Dugger

No, That’s why the only true measure is birth.

If you really want to be an SOB about it one could make the argument that in todays world you are not a citizen unless you have a SSN#. Therefore you are not awarded protection by the government.

This would certainly clear up lots of problems for the right as far as domestic spying and illegal immigration goes, but it totally kills your abortion argument.

To paraphrase Vince Lombardi,

If you can get the Court to make such a ruling, hell wake me up, and I’ll go with you.

 The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Yes, and you still have not disputed my statement. Where is the  right to an abortion or the  right to choose set forth, specifically.

Lest I decide I have a right to all the Talisker in Scotland.

Dugger

Yes, Dugger, if you can convince a majority of the Supreme Court that you have a fundamental right to plunder scotch, then your home free.

From Roe vs. Wade:
The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as … 1891, the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution.

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment’s concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment’s reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

The 14th amendment prohibits the states from infringing on the rights of citizens of the United States. However, those rights are not explicitly detailed. The 9th amendment holds that just because a right is not listed does not mean it does not exist.

The Court in Roe also stated that the right to privacy re abortion is not absolute. Many feel the decision was poorly reasoned. It is possibe (probable) that today’s Court would (will) interpret the case law and historical notes cited in Roe differently today.

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.’

Yes, and you still have not disputed my statement. Where is the “right to an abortion” or the “right to choose” set forth, specifically.

Lest I decide I have a right to all the Talisker in Scotland.

Dugger

I don’t know when life starts. You?

Dugger

So we can agree that protection, and the authority, of the constitution does not occur until  birth ?

Er…no.

So we can agree that protection, and the authority, of the constitution does not occur until ‘birth’?

Oh and if you don’t believe me, try googling “abortion doctor shooting”

Who knows, may in ‘07.

1) First of all, I call myself “pro – life”, because people who are ‘pro – abortion’ have the temerity to call themselves “pro – choice”.
I am anti – abortion, and there is no logical connection between terminating pregnancies at will, and organizing a national effort to afect diplomatic goals by military means (i.e., “make war”).
2) The operative word is “necessary.” I view this war as “necessary” and, therefore, justified.

Also most  pro-life people tend to be pro-death penalty

1) I don’t know that to be true.
2) I’m not “pro” death penalty. I simply acknowledge that the average person considers revenge to be an integral part of the criminal justice system. If there were a way to be assured that a murderer never killed again, I would support it.

Yawn. Move the goalposts again.

I didn’t move anything. There was a specific challenge about “pro-life” and Iraq and I answered it. You offered a specific rebuttal and I answered it. Simple.

enumerated right of a fetus?

Is there any enumerated right of a “child” or an “adolescent” or a “baby”?

shouldn t that child be considered an American Citizen no matter where that child is born?

Not if the law specifies birth as the qualification.

Using that logic….is there any sort of enumerated right of a fetus?

Also, if life truely starts at conception and a foreigner ‘conceives’ a child in the US shouldn’t that child be considered an American Citizen no matter where that child is born?

If you are anti-abortion, don’t have one. Otherwise, MYOB. I am anti-abortion, and so is my wife, so she doesn’t CHOOSE to have one. I won’t presume to make decisions for anyone else.

How can someone call themselves pro-life and support an unnecessary war in Iraq

Adult citizens volunteer for military service. The unborn do not volunteer for abortion. That was simple.

Iraqi civilians didn t volunteer to have their country taken over either.

You’re right, most didn’t volunteer for the Saddam regime.

But back to abortion. Abortions specifically target the unborn. Are you going to say that we specifically target civilians in Iraq?

Dugger, Good Morning

Dugger, Good Morning

Ninth Amendment:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.