That is racism, pure and simple& and it is part of the Democratic Party Platform.

I don’t agree with you one bit. I am sorry for calling you names, though. That is not right to do.

Naa nana ;o)

I know plenty of people that have it made because they are spoiled, and I know plenty of people that are hard workers, and suffer in poverty.

It is not an indication of effort if you are rich or poor, I think that ias a feeble excuse to justify inequality in society. There are more poor minority people than % of population, far more than could be explained than by ‘harder working’. It is cultural and racial bias.
What Martin Luthor King Jr. despaired over, is still true today, only perhaps in a slight difference of degree.

All the time. And that’s one of the key differences between conservatives and liberals… conservatives tend to base their opinion of a person on their character and their actions. Liberals just can’t seem to separate the person from their ethnic or cultural group. Conservatives see the individual, liberals see the group.

You and your Fundamentalisrt Christian Evangelical culture. You are not equal to me, my culture is more refined.

That’s your opinion. I disagree, but that’s my opinion too. That still doesn’t make you a better or worse person or more or less equal than me.

Oh and by the way, I am a Christian but not a “Fundamentalisrt Christian Evangelical”. I find people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell both amusing and disturbing.

I imagine when the democrats stop promoting a racist affirmative action agenda, we will find a broader spectrum of our society doing a variety of things. Currently though, the leftist believe that the only way a “minority” can take advantage of education, public jobs and public contracts is by giving them special benefits that non “minorities” don’t get.

That is racism, pure and simple…and it is part of the Democratic Party Platform.

Do you even read this stuff? I specifically quoted a statement that said it’s NOT religious but it IS cultural. You even copied it in your post!

Here, I’ll quote it again, with special emphasis for the thinking-impaired:

 Religious authorities disagree with extra punishments such as honor killing and prohibit it, so the practice of it is a cultural issue. But since Islam has influence over vast Muslims, culturalist and murderers of females use Islam to justify honor killing even though there is no support for honor killing in Islam.

You’re making it crystal clear who the moron is here, mikmik.

Look man, flattery will get you no where ;o)

If I use names, say STFU mikmik, we all want what’s best, that’s what counts!

Absolutely! They are ‘people’ who are members of a culture, eh?
That still doesn t mean I think their culture is 100% equal to my own
No, you are not biased.

Ever think of people as just ‘people’? You and your Fundamentalisrt Christian Evangelical culture. You are not equal to me, my culture is more refined.

I learned already debating with you here, I respect you a lot.

No, that is a sign of weakness, or an admission of defeat, calling names.

ian asked the same thing upthread yesterday. Radio silence from OW or anyone else here. I guess the options are to either (1) come out and criticize it or (2) support it, either vocally or by staying silent. I guess the consensus from OW and the liberals here is for (2).

I’m concerned that Mayor Nagin has been stealing from Pat Robertson’s playbook… he said that “”Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it’s destroyed and put stress on this country”.

And in his comments about a “chocolate New Orleans” the mayor also said “This city will be a majority-African American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. You can’t have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn’t be New Orleans.”

Nope. No racism there.

Of course, only a bigot would assume that this behavior would be indicative of another race. It is not like rednecks, or WASP liberal mysogynists could ever do anything like that.

You try to say that ‘numbers who apply’, but you conveniently ignore the factors that determines who get’s to apply, and who gets a proper education.

Don’t be so stupid, try to expand your simple little mind to see the whole picture. I don’t fall for falsely represented situations.

Yes, they should have an equal opportunity to apply. Are they not getting it? How do you know that? Where is the data that shows (or hell, even hints that it might be the case) that women or minorities are being routinely denied opportunities in education and hiring?

Rather than offer any facts or data, people just say “of course minorities are being denied opportunities because of widespread racism, that’s why we need affirmative action” as if the statement alone is enough. It’s not.

If people from a disadvantaged economic background need help in getting an education, they should get it. If people are denied a job based on their gender or race, there is legal recourse and they deserve to prevail. Other than that, the world isn’t fair and most of the time you have to work hard to get what you want.

And “dipstick”? Is that the best you could do, or are you just going easy on me?

What makes you think that people apply to medical school in the same ratios as the population? What if some people don’t want to be doctors? Look at frameone’s post above quoting a statistic that “only 12-13 percent of the nation s police officers are women.” What should the ratio be? In the 2000 census, women were just over 50% of the population. Does that mean that 50% of the police force should be female?

When you know what you’re talking about, you talk, okay?

Wrong. It’s not just a few bad apples… it’s the cultural norm. Have you ever been to Saudia Arabia? I have, numerous times.

You are using the worst of the culture to validate your dismissal of the culture

Again, it’s the cultural norm, not the “worst” of the culture. And where did I dismiss the culture? I said I don’t think as highly of it as I do ours. And my opinion of cultures is based on the values, beliefs and actions that each one embodies, not just some kneejerk “all other cultures are inferior to mine” mentality. And keep in mind I’m talking about “culture”, not “people”. When I interact with people in those cultures, I treat them as equal human beings, with decency and respect. That still doesn’t mean I think their culture is 100% equal to my own.

That is racist and xenophobic. Sorry. You re a racist.

I’m racist and xenophobic if I think less of some cultures because of the beliefs and actions that those cultures espouse? Sorry. You’re an idiot.

Okay, you got it.
Does that mean that 50% of the police force should be female?
It means that women should have an equal opportunity to apply, dipstick. If they are not allowed to, or unable to apply because of their financial situation, or lack of education because they are oppressed, then it means they are not getting an equal opportunity, dipstick

So far no one has demonstrated any evidence of institutional racism in this society today, in fact, we have proven that because of institutional REVERSE racism,  minorities have a 3X admission advantage.

LOL! Yeah, when the ratio of applicants = the ratio of population, then you talk, okay?

You sat “we have proven