Martin Luther King:
I have the audacity to believe that people everywhere can have three meals a day for their tired bodies, education and culture for their spirits. I believe that what self-centered men have torn down, men other-centered can build up. I still believe that one day mankind will bow before the altars of God and be crowned triumphant over war and bloodshed, and non-violent redemptive goodwill will proclaim the rule of the land ‘and the lion and the lamb shall lie down together and every man shall sit under his own vine and fig tree and none shall be afraid.’ I still believe that we shall overcome.
Sounds like a liberal to me. Sounds like someone who was against war, and for helping the poor. Dr. King was a liberal fighting the conservative forces of hate and intolerance. The right gets J. Edgar Hoover, Bull Connor, and other right wingers who sought to stop Martin Luther King. Dr. King fought for the American dream, he didn’t stand for the nightmare that was the conservative status quo.
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Ian,
He’s not so much a racist as he is a political bigot. If it’s Conservative, he automatically hates it.
Sounds like the definition of prejudice to me.
Who said anything about white people except you, Ian? Lots of good white people stood arm-in-arm with Dr. King. They were liberals too, including at the time Charlton Heston. I think it’s funny that a member of the movement with racism at its base (conservatism) can keep calling me racist without any facts to back him up.
Dr. King would find Bush’s tokens amusing at best, most likely sad.
Don’t forget Robert Byrd…..
What would MLK think of today’s republicans?
A black sect. of state (the second in a row by the way), a hispanic Attorney General , ditto Dept of Commerce. A black Sect of HUD.
Perhaps more importantly do you think that the leftists push for minority set-asides and affirmative action is in agreement with Dr. Kings
“…. dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
Me either….only the republicans are demanding that people be judged by their character.
The democrats still believe that people of color (well, only CERTAIN colors) can’t compete on an even playing field….
To quote george orwell “All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others….”
Perhaps that would be another good t-shirt slogan for the democrats…
They taught my four year old nephew about Martin Luther King Day in his pre-school this week. He told me that “Martin King ended all the silly rules.” I asked him what silly rules and he said, “People couldn’t sit on the front of a bus or drink from fountains.” My eyes started watering. All the violence and sacrifice and struggle was to end what were really a bunch of silly rules. I could just imagine all these racists of the period forced to hear their whole way of life, their whole world view dismissed so readily and easily by a child of today as just a bunch of “silly rules.” That’s quite a dream Dr. King had.
Oliver, people like you destroy the King legacy. You find someway to politicize everything, and I mean everything. You ignore the fact that Robert Byrd was once a member of the KKK and stay holds the word ‘nigger’ in his vocabulary today.
What about George Wallace? Ross Barnett? David Duke?
Why don’t you mention great civil rights crusaders like James Meredith?
Oh that’s right, it wouldn’t fit your point that big bad old whitey hates blacks. If anyone is the racist here, it’s you Oliver.
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize,organized and led marches for black’s right to
vote,desegregation,LABOR RIGHTS,among others. One quote before I leave on King’s speech I have a dream;
“I have a dream one day,that one day down in Alabama,with its vicious racists,with its GOVERNOR having his lips dripping with the words of “interposition” and “nullification”–one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.”
One of the greatest believers in liberty and equality of our age and of many ages who come after ours,we need more like Dr.King who will stand up for liberty and not follow the status quo. It seems daily in the news that liberty is taking a beating and a lot of Americans follow blindly like sheep to slaughter.
Peaceful, non-violent, non-cooperation was the strategy of Mohandas
Gandhi. It was the strategy of MLK in imitation of that successful
revolution that brought results. Do we remember those who advocated
violence as a means of changing the status quo? Yes, but we
remember that approach as one that yielded poor to no results, and
we certainly do not memorialize them.
Yes, the modern Republican party is all about the content of your character… as long as you have the right last name, went to the right schools…
Whuh?
A hundred and forty years ago?
All those guys are gone now, peedro. Today’s Republican party stands for something different.
Oliver, King would be rolling over in his grave if read your entry. You are doing exactly what he was against. Given your past, I brought up the white part. However, the fact remains that you can’t point fingers at conservatives because there are 4 Democrats pointing right back at you.
Brandon, that is true, however O’Dub doesn’t observe racist Democrats.
“You want equality, vote Republican.”
Yeah, that’s always worked in the past. It’s just that republicans
think some are more equal than others.
“I am sure YOU are for judging people by character not color, right?”
Indeed I am Pedro. You’re an idiot.
drpedro, you don’t get it do you, their traitors to their race, that’s why Oliver hates them! It’s really simple. If they’re black and they’re Republican, there is something wrong with that and we can’t let that happen, now can we.
If anyone treats blacks as tokens, it’s Democrats. They are the people who say “hey we have to have a minority in order to make it look like we care about non-white folks” and then when they do it, they just laugh it off. http://www.preventtruthdecay.com/mainmiscfuneral.htm
Quaker, you don’t get it, the blacks are too dumb to make up their own minds. They’re stupid and get fooled by the Democrats into voting for them. And Republicans aren’t racist at all.
The modern conservative movement is the ONLY political movement in this country that embraces equality.
All the rest believe that all the “minorities” need a little extra help cause they can’t quite “keep up”.
You want equality, vote Republican.
You want lip service to equality, vote for anyone else.
I see.
That would explain why black voters tend to vote so heavily in their favor, wouldn’t it?
Let’s set race aside here and acknowledge that Colin Powell was brought into the Bush administration to put a veneer of respectability on foreign policy and defense teams made up of bat-shit crazy people. Powell left and now all the bat-shit crazy people are in charge.
If it s Conservative, he automatically hates it.
There are a few conservatives who don’t embrace racism in one form or another, but they’re in the minority within their movement. I will never support a movement that has hate at its core.
Not really Quaker, they still stand for equality, you know, judging people by their character, not the color of their skin.
I am sure YOU are for judging people by character not color, right?
Obviously not.
Alex, I’ll take Affirmative Action for $200.
In the ’60s, the two parties came to a crossroads. The Southern Democrats decided to embrace the segregationist message, and could find no home in the Democratic party - the party which took up the mantle of racial equality. The Republican party abandoned the legacy of Lincoln and instead adopted the racist southern strategy, and ended up losing the black vote in the process.
Which is why I noted conservative and liberal vs Democrat and Republican (this is the trick the right uses to ignore the conservative movement’s racism). Goldwater, etc. drove out the moderate and liberal Republicans, and they became Dems largely.
Shoot. Good snark goes stale quickly if you don’t serve it up right.
Fool. You can fool all of the people…etc.
Yea OW whitey is keeping the black man down…
Race baiter’s like you and Jesse ARE in fact why blacks vote for democrats. It was summed up nicely by Tom Wolfe in a short story called “Mau-mau’ing the Flak Catchers”, you should read it.
Of course black america just brushes off the Condoleeza’s and Colin’s view oof america, cause you know, they are just uncle tom’s.
Maybe if the democrats would stop TREATING different races differently, people would start ignoring race?
Thats what us conservatives would like to see.
But right now, it ain’t happening. A white kid with a 3.5 GPA will lose out to a black kid with a 3.0 GPA trying to get into med school. But that is the sort of equality that democrats like.
You see, fellas, when you say nonsense like “the playing field is equal” when that doesn’t jibe with the reality black people are living every day — is why you lose that part of the vote.
Conservatives love the illusion of the level playing field because it allows them to rationalize all sorts of policies that, if enacted in the real world, would actually make life harder for the most disenfranchised and discriminated against in this society.
How do they argue against forcing WalMart to provide health care for their employees? Assume that there is a level playing field on which unskilled workers have the luxury to pick and choice whatever job they want. How do they argue against affirmative action? Simply assume that there’s a level playing field for blacks and whites in this country where everyone has access to the same educational opportunities from birth.
The level playing field is a rhetorical illusion trotted out by conservatives to ensure that just such a thing never comes about in reality.
At the core of conservativism is the support for an originalist interpretation of the Consitution. At the time of its deciding and long after, originalists were opposed to Brown V Board of education and the series of court decisions that followed from it. Then as now, with the gay marriage debate, Conservatives would leave a whole class of people disenfranchised and discriminated against in this country to satisfy their reactionary, elitist philosophy.
I see. You can all of the people all of the time–if they’re black?
Party of Lincoln, indeed.
Nobody said anything about “whitey”. Rice and to a lesser extent Powell help those who make life harder for black americans and poor and middle class people of all races. Its up to their maker whether they’re “Uncle Toms” (your words) or not, but they’re certainly not helping. And your nonsense about white kids with 3.5 gpas being turned away would be news to the medical schools of America who graduate thousands of white doctors every year. But that would be because like most conservatives, you can’t help but to lie.
LOL! That is the most pie in the sky prostelizing I have heard in awhile. I personally do not believe that because a person is black and a republican, that you are an uncle tom, but alas actions speak louder than words.
Pedro, now who is demeaning blacks(”Race baiter s like you and Jesse ARE in fact why blacks vote for democrats.”)? It must be easy to believe that the playing field is leveled, but reality could not be farther from the truth. Equality can be attained without demeaning the abilities of minorities. Republicans don’t really want a level playing field, just a means to weed out the poor and different. Remember, its not Fascism when we do it!:)
“The democrats still believe that people of color (well, only CERTAIN colors) can t compete on an even playing field”
Correct, Dr. Pedro, that is what is called “the soft bigotry of low expectations”.
And yet, even soft bigotry is still bigotry. And it still damages the person who isn’t expected to do as well as someone else.
The folks on the left who think affirmative action is necessary are bigots, plain and simple. In their minds all black people (except for the Uncle Tom’s and Aunt Thomasina’s) need freebies to stay equal to whitey. Same with the hispanics. But asians, nope, they don’t need any help. And of course, there is no reason to help a white person get into college or get a job.
What is so wrong with just treating everyone the same as the person standing next to them? If you’re a Democrat, it’s because you can’t play one off against the other, all the while sewing the seeds of anger and dissent and getting the angry person’s vote.
Ian and pedro are the keepers of the silly rules.
The modern conservative movement is the ONLY political movement in this country that embraces equality. drpedro
You spelled “Communist” wrong.
“The modern conservative movement is the ONLY political movement in this country that embraces equality.” drpedro
This is one of the most absurd statements I’ve ever seen on this site. Tell that one to all the gays in this country, who conservatives are doing their best to make 2nd class citizens. Your “originalist interpretation of the Constitution” must include allowing religious dogma to discriminate against a marginalized group of Americans. What a joke!
Oliver,
I think you went too far in saying that the Republican Party/The Right is based in hate and is against the philosophies of Dr. King. Sweeping generalizations are key to losing arguments.
The point is, why should the black kid with a 3.0 get more opportunity than the poor white kid.
Here is a real life example. At my college, one of my classmates who was also pre-med was from a very wealthy family in a very wealthy california neighborhood. His grades weren’t great, but he was black. His 3.0 got him a full ride at an Ivy League med school. Yet some poor kid with his grades (or better) didn’t get that ride. He and his family could easily pay for it. How is that fair? How is that not racist?
By the way Jade, there are no band or sports scholarships in Med school….
You guys have a BIG problem with consistency.
OK OW, who is keeping the black man down and making the playing field “unlevel” then?
You leftist like to talk around the specifics, let people read between the lines.
I applied to med school OW, it is absolutely the case that white kids with 3.5 don’t get in and blacks with a 3.0 do. It is because they ask you to put your ethnicity on your application and because of affirmative action.
What exactly do you think affirmative action does? It lowers the bar so chosen races and groups don’t have to meet the same standards as everyone else….an inherently bigoted philosophy.
But yea, I can see how condi and colin aren’t “helping” black folks. I mean, who could possibly look up to someone who was a provost at stanford, or who rose to the highest rank in the US Army? I mean heck, those two don’t even have their own branded tennis shoes!
What exactly do you think affirmative action does? It lowers the bar so chosen races and groups don t have to meet the same standards as everyone else& .an inherently bigoted philosophy.
Whatta maroon.
Pedro obviously confuses opportunity with outcome. No, Pedro, when you get accepted to medical school, you still have to pass all the tests. They don’t hand you a diploma and shingle on day one.
And I can guarantee you some of those white kids don’t have 3.5 or 3.0 GPAs–they get accepted because mommy or daddy went there and threw a few bucks the school’s way. Some of those white kids got into med schools because they played sports or played in the band or ran a business.
You cite Colin Powell. Well, ol’ Colin admits AA helped him–was the bar set low for Colin Powell?
Wow, there are so many misconceptions about affirmative action. It is a complete myth that people with lesser grades get picked over those with better grades. That is complete lie. If it were even remotely true, I’d be a cop right now.
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Oliver, you really come off like a major jackass when you write crap like this. But apparently your ego gets stroked when you do it because it elicits a bunch of responses.
People, when Oliver starts putting the conservative political philosophy together with Bull Connor, he’s doing nothing but mentally masturbating. By actually trying to refute such drivel only heightens his mental orgasm.
Guess what? Ivy League schools reject the majority of applicants. It is called selective admission. There are other criteria college admissions boards look at other than grades. What was that student’s job experience? Did he work as an EMT while in college? What about the courses he took? Did he take more anatomy and physiology classes (assuming he was a biology major) or botany classes? If you were on med school admissions committee, would accept someone who took botany classes over the biology student who took anatomy and physiology classes? What were his test scores? Was he able to do some postgraduate study? How many recommendation letters did he get?
Shorter drpedro, the only things admissions committees look at is grades and race. Nothing else matters in drpedro’s world.
“The GPA of minority applicants is almost always lower than non-minority.”
Dr. Pedro. Not a bigot. Not an idiot.
How about this proposition, Oliver?
The Right and the Left don’t get Dr. Martin Luther King. He’s an American hero - to all Americans.
I’ll echo Ian’s sentiment that there are some things that you make political which just shouldn’t be. But hey… keep up the hyperpartisanship.
Wrong, and wrong. If you want to pretend this game doesn’t include race, why are you fighting for affirmative action?
No one wants to come right and say they are bigots, I understand that. Buy don’t give me this crap about he might have been an EMT etc. The GPA of minority applicants is almost always lower than non-minority, this is not usually true at the number one schools however.
You may be a bigot in an attempt to help someone achieve something they might not have otherwise, but you are removing an opportunity from someone else in the process, and you are still a bigot.
And then, imagine going through life wondering if you made it on your merits or your skin color. That will really whittle away at your self-esteem eh?
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions……
In any case, race-based affirmative action is racist, by definition
“Because it s those who talk the loudest. Those who shout from the mountaintops how much they care that couldn t be bothered once nobody is looking.”
Which is not, of course, the reason why you brought it up so loudly …
With regard to helping the poor, I’m willing to bet money that I donated more to charities this past year than you did. I have the paperwork to back it up. And contrary to the stereotype, I’m not one of this “rich Republicans.” I made about $54K this past year. That’s before taxes. And I’m raising a family of 4 with a stay at home Mom.
How much did you contribute to charities Oliver? Or are you like so many other liberals I know? You talk tough about “helping the poor” but your “help” is limited to saying things like, “Stop cutting taxes for the rich!” When it comes to actually opening your wallets the tough talk goes away.
You see, the problem with people like you is this: You think your words make you a better person. You prattle on about “the poor”, yet you don’t really do anything about it. In your view, as long as you’re telling everybody how much you care, then it must be true.
Like I said, I’m willing to put my contributions towards helping the poor up against yours any day of the week. Why? Because it’s those who talk the loudest. Those who shout from the mountaintops how much they “care” that couldn’t be bothered once nobody is looking.
So you go ahead and tell some poor person that you helped them out by voting for John Kerry. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled.
Here is a little data to back me up. I expect you leftists to continue dancing around the issue though…..
http://home.sandiego.edu/~e_cook/analysis/RaceTriplesYourChances.html
If you check a box saying you are black or hispanic you triple your chances for admission to UC med schools….even though those applicants have lower MCATS and GPA’s….
drpedro, not everyone gets what they want in life. The top schools reject the majority of people that apply. I didn’t get into my first choice of college when I was in high school. Did I whine and cry and blame it on affirmative action or discrimination? NO. Was there the possibility that someone “less” qualified could have been admitted instead of me? Yes. But you know what? I moved on and went to my second choice college. I still have a college degree that enabled me to get a well paying job. If that makes me a bigot, then you are entitled to your prejudiced view of life.
Pedro: Quit being stupid. Really.
Yes, there are no sports or extra-curricular activities in med school. But wasn’t the subject admission to med school?
And the fact is folks gain admission to med school for a whole host of reasons that extend far past GPAs or MSATs; they get accepted because their parents were alumni, they played sports, they ran a business, they were head of the student council, etc.
And let’s try to remember opportunity does not equal outcome. If med schools are churning out unqualified or poor MDs–that med school’s reputation will suffer. Yet, the most desirable med schools have very active commitments to AA.
peedro’s all about equality.
Jay Caruso might be right.
We really shouldn’t compare today’s GOP to Bull Connor. After all, all Connor did was turn some dogs and firehoses on some civil rights demonstrators.
Today’s GOP is much worse.
“republicans have been fighting racial preferences for quite a while now.”
But not out of some great concern for equality but to maintain a cultural/racial status quo.
Phinky my point isn’t that you get into your first choice school. It is that discrimination based on a persons race is wrong, whether it is “positive” discrimination or negative.
Everyone has nicely danced around having to present an argument for your racial bigotry, and I don’t blame you.
I am not looking at outcomes, I am not looking at extracuricular activites, I am not looking at your degree: I am looking at people who use racial preferences for admissions.
Phinky you are a bigot if you support racial preferences, it’s that simple. And republicans have been fighting racial preferences for quite a while now.
says you frame, says you.
Opinions are like assh*les, everyone has one, thanks for sharing a peak at yours….
Lets get back to the point, can we? The point is Oliver is blaming Republicans and conservatives for bringing down the civil rights agenda. You can make all the noise that you want that the Republican party is different today than what it was 50 years ago, but the fact remains many racist Democrats lived in the party 50 years ago — and today. Perfect example, Robert KKK Byrd. Until O’Dub denounces the old bag, then he should speak no further.
I blame conservatives for racism. Conservatives. Get that through your thick skull. Conservatives compromised the southern Democrats and Republicans. Because of race, southern Democrats left the party and went on to hear Ronald Reagan go on about “welfare queens” and see George Bush do lap dances with Willie Horton. I think Republicans have made some advances, but every once in a while the veil slips and theres a Hurricane Katrina behind it.
Your argument about Byrd is a nonsequitor. Byrd has renounced his Klan days and has voted in favor of numerous bits of legislation that help fight bigotry. People like Jesse Helms and Trent Lott never renounce their racist beliefs, and are held up as lions of the GOP.
Pedro’s argument is the most ridiculous, because if you take him for his word, there just aren’t any white doctors in America. A quick visit to a hospital or local doctor’s office quickly sends this distortion of history to the dustbin where it belongs. I may not be in favor of affirmative action in its current form, but its a lot better than the conservative shell game of running around thinking that life is just peachy and dandy for minorities and they’ve all got the same opportunities as folks like George Bush… they just aren’t trying “hard enough”.
Jay, I think it’s funny how you post that this post doesn’t matter — and then write three replies to it. I’m not going to get into a pissing match with you over how much you donate to charity (I certainly don’t have the disposable income you do), but I would argue that you sort of negate the value of your honorable givings when you support a president and a movement dedicated to ending the upward mobility of American society.
I wrote this entry because I see conservatives trying to claim Dr. King as either apolitical (he wasn’t) or one of their own (he certainly wasn’t). The conservative people (including southern Democrats and Republicans) in America in the ’50s, ’60s, and ’70s were the ones branding people like MLK as socialist/communist agitators who were unnecesarily rocking the boat. King was as against keeping poor people in their place as he was against Jim Crow, and that’s a vital part of his legacy as a progressive American figure without parallel in our history.
Robert Byrd renounced his membership in the KKK years ago. I don’t remember Robert Byrd remembering the good old days of segregation like Trent Lott did at Strom Thurmond’s birthday party. The next thing you will be saying is Strom Thurmond was a pioneer for civil rights because he fathered a biracial child.
“Whoa, hold on there,” the Republican party says, “That’s enough ‘equality’ already.”
Yes Pedro let’s all share our opinions, especially ones backed up by bullshit “analysis” by total assholes who don’t know shit.
“For more than thirty years, medical schools have made a concerted effort to increase the racial and ethnic diversity of their institutions. Affirmative action has served as a successful mechanism for increasing diversity, enabling large numbers of minority students to enroll in medical school. There is still a great deal of work to be done, however, if medical school classes are to accurately reflect our society. Today 1 in 4 Americans is either Black, Hispanic, or Native American; however in medical school these groups comprise only:
· 1 in 10 medical students,
· 3 in 100 faculty members, and
· 1 in 100 full professors.”
http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/pressrel/2003/030319.htm
And for the record, I am considerably to the right of where Dr. King was, and not remotely worthy of even cleaning the scum off of his shoes.
I m not going to get into a pissing match with you over how much you donate to charity (I certainly don t have the disposable income you do), but I would argue that you sort of negate the value of your honorable givings when you support a president and a movement dedicated to ending the upward mobility of American society.
How does that negate the value of what I do? Do you really think the people who benefit from the charitable giving of others give a rat’s ass who they voted for?
And why is it that you blame conservatives for racism? Racism doesn’t have an ideology. I personally know people (several of my in-laws) who wouldn’t hesitate for a moment to call you a nigger. They use the word all the time. Yet, I also know they voted for John Kerry. Does it bother you less to know people are calling you a nigger simply because they voted the right way? Does voting for the right person negate their bigotry?
I just can’t comprehend how you can hold such a viewpoint. I cannot fathom judging a person’s character by who they vote for. It doesn’t make sense.
So because he says he renounced them, we are supposed to believe it? I don’t care, he said ‘nigger’ on a televised interview, I highly doubt he has renounced it.
Oliver, it is truely sad that you are destroying the King Jr. legacy by hating others. King would be rolling around in his grave if he saw your post. If ever wanted a reason why some people are racist, you would be it.
Meant to say “if you ever …” in last sentence.
Does Oliver include JFK and RFK among those right-wingers who fought to stop Dr King?
The most racist people I know in my sphere of life are all card-carrying Democrats who would vote for a monkey before a Republican. My wife has 2 uncles who are only lacking the white robes. I kicked one of them out of my house many years ago after he began spewing his racist bullshit in front of my (then) young children. But since they always vote Democrat, I’m sure that’s all fine with Oliver and his minions here.
Unlike you Oliver, I don’t equate racist sentiments with people of a different political persuasion. Racism is a product of a sick heart and not of a particular political ideology.
I think you have a rather sick heart son.
Sam;
If the only dems you know are your uncles I would say that is probably
a poor sample as it relates to your “sphere” of life. Try to get out more.
I never cease to be amazed by conservatives who use Dr. King’s legacy as an excuse for their own racism.
Did I say “amazed?” Sorry, I meant “revolted.”
Democracy Now played Dr. King’s 4 April 1967 “Beyond Vietnam” speech this morning, and it’s worth listening to.
As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through non-violent action. But they asked, and rightly so, what about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn’t using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today, my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.
Leo,
I’m sorry. Did I suggest that they were the only Dems I know?
Thanks for your concern about me getting out more, but in my line of work I get out plenty.
Yeah, Leo. He didn’t say they were the only Dems he knows, he said they were the most racist people he knows.
Also, he said they were his wife’s uncles, not his.
Other than that, you got everything right.
“How does that negate the value of what I do?”
Because no amount of charitable giving can significantly mitigate the systemic economic disasters caused but the total incompetence and chicanery of a corrupt political party. Think Katrina, think the medicare drug program:
“Since the program began on Jan. 1, many low-income people have left pharmacies empty-handed after being told they would have to pay co-payments of $100, $250 or more.”
It definitely matters to the poor who you vote for.
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I never said white weren’t doctors OW, why do you even say something like that.
I said that it is racist to give preferential treatment to people because of the color of their skin, exactly what MLK said.
Frame also needs to understand that we shouldn’t be deciding on who does what job based on societal mixtures. What is the ratio of white people to black in the NBA? Should we have affirmative action to make sure more white guys can play? Why not?
Finally OW assumes minorities aren’t in med school because of racial bias….clearly that is a load of crap.
The main reason is that race baiters like OW and Jesse continue to sell black america a bill of goods by maintaining a culture of victims. The black leaders run around telling black america that people who reach the highest levels of education are “uncle toms”, while promoting people who are preaching racial inequality through set asides and affirmative action.
Life isn’t “peachy and dandy” for ANYONE OW, minorities are no different in this regard. And as long as minorities demand to be set aside as somehow different from the rest of us, that is likely to be how they are going to be treated. I am sorry that your party is the party of racism and inequality, but you have a choice.
Only the republicans believe in true equality.
It’s funny how everytime specific examples are given, you Dems have an answer for it … it’s like you have talking points or something ..
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“What is the ratio of white people to black in the NBA? Should we have affirmative action to make sure more white guys can play? Why not?”
Just keep embarrassing yourself Pedro.
Still haven’t seen ONE of you lefty democrats defend race-based affirmative action…
So where are all your facts OW. So far we just have your opinion that conservatives are the cause of racism, something Ian has pointed out is ridiculous. Except of course in Olivers World, where he can change the definition of conservative to mean racist.
The lefties can’t quite get it through their thick craniums that words have actual meanings, not just what your “opinion” of the meaning is.
So what is it? Do we judge people by the quality of their character, or the color of their skin? If you believe that, how can you support the racist policies of the Democratic party?
You’re right Oliver, politics did have something to do with it. Because it was Democrats and Republicans who were racist. I already named several of them in my first post. Get over it Oliver, you’re wrong. This isn’t a black and white picture, there are some gray areas.
Actually, if you read the decision in Plessy v Ferguson, you would see an activist court instead of an originalist reading of the Constitutional issues, creating out of whole cloth, the term “separate but equal.” If you can point to where that’s written in the Constitution, I’ll buy you dinner.
Here are some excerpts from the majority opinion which are consistent with a Living/Breathing context:
This is the opinion of the justice, not rooted in any historical texts.
Here, the majority recognizes that laws forbidding interracial marriage are”technically” in violation of the Consitution… but they sweep that aside in order to arrive at their intended result.
Compare the previous excerpt with this from the dissent:
Much more in line with originalist intent…
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Oliver - Let’s just say that MLK was a great American and leave it at that. There’s no need to turn the celebration of his birthday into a partisan political issue.
While you have a simplistic view of many things (Republicans are evil), I don’t think you can take ownership of King, who would be appalled at the black leadership of today (which you excoriate yourself) and appalled at the stranglehold that the teacher’s unions have on the ability of poor, disenfranchised children to improve their prospects. Yes, MLK believed in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, but he also believed in making sure that people had the boots in the first place. Forcing students to stay in underperforming schools because of their zip code and income level and the soft bigotry of low expectations is not something that Dr. King would support. Nor do many parents of those students…
Or we know your bullshit is easily refuted by facts. It’s called research, kids.
And yes, I would include RFK and JFK’s soft-pedaling of helping MLK as an effect of conservativism. They certainly weren’t being brave enough to confront the southern Democrats within their own party. I think it’s amusing how you guys keep trying to say that politics had nothing to do with the civil rights movements when it was all about politics. Many elements of the modern conservative movement look to the ’50s as the sort of utopia America should work towards, and its their blindness to the savage racism that prevailed in America during that era that proves to many of us that they just don’t get it.
Sounds like most 60’s preachers to me, until such words became so politically charged; by the left, ironically — those who now scream for “separation of Church and state.” But I digress.
We have seen 40 years of “(Fill in the Blanks) Rights ______ Legislation” designed to eradicate racism, which Oliver and others bemoan has yet to occur. So, whether the Republicans or the Democrats can take credit for of any of that so - called “progress” is irrevelant. In the minds of most of our (left - wing, natch) commenters, it’s the fault of the Republicans / conservatives.
I would begin to suspect that the strategy is faulty. If America is indeed a “racist country”, and I sincerely believe it is not, the that points to the notion that the legislation.
Consider the legislative pattern:
A law is passed — of course, it’s meaning is not clear.
Lawsuits bloom like daisies.
People arrive at some general points of view:
It doesn’t matter to me, because
a) I’m not a racist, anyway
b) I’m not in a situation (work, school, etc.) where racism is an issue
I might have some racist tendencies (I’d rather not hire them, I’d rather not let them rent in my building, I’d rather not let them in my classes, [if I have something to say about it]), but the law is the law
“I don’t want anything to do with ‘em, and I’m not going to have anything to do with ‘em” (this can apply to any race with any other race).
Life goes on, with little change.
Can “assistance” (read ‘interference’) from the government engender dependency, in its recipients, thus negatively affecting ambition?
I believe it does.
What can be done about it? I don’t know.
Can “Civil Rights” legislation often enrage whites?
I believe it does.
What can be done about it? I don’t know.
What solution do I foresee for the “racism” problem?
I foresee that, within three generations (no more than 90 years), you will be unable to spot a “pure - raced” individual, unless you are a trained scientific observer.
The average person won’t be able to tell one race from another by then. It will be impossible to discriminate between them, once there physical characteristics are almost the same.
Look at this picture:
http://tinyurl.com/9kqz2
Imagine Lisa Fujinaga (l) marries a Hispanic.
Imagine Cindy McMillan (r ) does the same.
Like say one of these guys
http://www.thespanishyellowpages.com/images/men-16.jpg
Imagine what their children will look like? (Say, 20 years from now?)
Now, what if their children marry white people? (About 50 years for now?)
What do you think there children will look like
Thus endeth the lesson for today.
You just don’t get it Pedro. Affirmative action isn’t based on promoting one race over another simply based on race. That’s how Republicans characterize because they are resistant to change and progess. Affirmative action is founded on the idea that people of color have as much to offer society as anyone else but have been excluded from doing so BECAUSE of their race. It affirms the character of qualified candidates which has long been and continues to be denied because of racial discrimination.
That’s a rather simplistic way of characterizing the GOP’s stance on the issue. A fairer way to characterize it would be that the GOP does not think that the color of one’s skin should be involved in the process at all. While this may have a negative result, the GOP is focused on the fairness of the process - and I would submit would support lawsuits that focused on actual discrimination (eg a less qualified candidate was selected over a more qualified candidate that was a minority).
And if you want to talk about resistant to change, I’ve got a litany of instances where the Left is standing athwart history, shouting “Stop!”
Yes, this is the intent. However, in practice it often devolves into number crunching and focusing on race. Much of the language in Plessy v Ferguson regarding the plaintiff being 1/8th black b/c he had 1/8th black blood is similar to the debates today over what constitutes being a part of a minority. In order to meet the results (and measure our progress) of Affirmative Action, each individual must be categorized…. many think this is counter-productive and silly given the number of people in our country with multi-ethnic / multi-racial backgrounds. Dave Chappelle made fun of this very effort to categorize people, although perhaps you didn’t get the joke.
To characterize such sentiment as being “resistant to change and progress” is not a very thoughtful position. Such categorization in today’s modern society is ridiculous - and counter to Dr. King’s dream.