WTF! You mean like this?…..http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/15/AR2006011500915.html

Next, I think the scariest part in all of this is the idea of contribution reform. In plain talk, this would involve a cosmetic non-solution designed to impress the simple minded and garner a Dem victory somewhere, because God knows that they need one. Basically, they would decide how you could legally bribe them, whilst the public gives thunderous applause. What’s worse is that you would have some elephant/donkey hybrids (not so affectionately called rhinos by certain talk show hosts) flapping in the wind, acting like whatever leftist came up with this idiot notion is a genius.

What is it you don’t understand about;

“Nothing wrong with networking, but I think a longer cool-off period is
needed before Beltway types can cash in.”?

The ‘point’ is contained in above statement. I can’t make it any
clearer. Sorry.

Is there a point you were making?

http://columbiatribune.com/2006/Jan/20060113News005.asp

But I think I’ll do whatever the hell I want anyway.

Your Hogan

Yet corruption is all a R scandal.

I don t see it.

Patience.

Yet corruption is all a R scandal.

I don’t see it.

And the Hiss stuff was correct but gratuitous BS on my part. It need not be acknowledged.

Dugger

Predictions when enough repugs do the perp walk to lose control of the impeachment process in the house:

Special prosecutors are fired ala the Nixonian ’saturday night masacre’. Followed by a red level alert on the bubble gum meter. At that time, depending on the bushcos level of fear and involvement, you will see another nineeleven or a fear of such.

Our dear leader in deepest concern for his citizens will be forced to declare martial law for our own ’safety’. Under martial law our heir leader has the authority to postpone elections until Zel determines ‘eis eit zaafe?’

Martial law and postponed elections will only be lifted when the ‘terroristos’ are defeated.

Which will be never.

Ok. people. It is time to crack some books. Start with writings and quotes of Joseph Paul Goebbels. Mein Kempf runs a little long and is quite tedeous but start with chapter nine if you must. (remember to pay for it in cash at Borders. I had a Mel Gibson Catcher in the Rye moment when I pulled out my credit card to buy it).

The threats are real and they are spectacular.

Even if you suffer paranoia there are times when they ARE out to get you.

all of this  its a REPUBLICAN scandal and the identifiable wrong done by pols is down to only one guy – Ney?

So far, yes.

of course, you indicate Abe swindled the tribes – but thats not the same as influence pedddling.

Correct. Read the criminal referral and you’ll see that Mr. Abramoff is accused of fraud and bribery.

Logically, then it would be your contention that there is no real political scandal D or R?

Mr. Abramoff has pledged cooperation with the Justice department in exchange for leniency. They have half a million emails to sift through. The storm is yet on the horizon.

See, I don t think Big Media got the word.

You may have a point, but I have no idea what it is. If you think that “Big Media” has misrepresented any of the facts you clearly delineated above, I’d be happy to look at examples with you.

Hiss? Rosenbergs? S and V? WTF?

all of this  its a REPUBLICAN scandal and the identifiable wrong done by pols is down to only one guy – Ney?

Let me revisit this first point, briefly. You qualified this with “wrong done by pols,” so to this point in the investigation, you’re correct. There are others, not elected officials, who have been implicated or who have accepted deals from the prosecutors. They’re also Republicans.

Logically, then it would be your contention that there is no real political scandal D or R?

See, I don’t think Big Media got the word.

Dugger, First Hiss was found guilty, then the Rosenbergs and now Sacco and Vanzetti. The liberal’s false world is imploding around them.

Dugger

You’ve got a lot of rules about comments.

It is related to “mad frameone disease” which involves pretending that A said X, when, in fact, A actually said Z, and then arguing that A is a moron (or an idiot) because everyone knows X isn’t true. At this point, the person suffering from MFD insists that, despite A’s protests to the contrary, he knows exactly what A meant, and, thus, A is not just a moron (or an idiot), but is now a liar.

As of this moment, there is no known cure for MFD. There is some talk of adding it on to Jerry Lewis’s list of genetic children’s diseases for the Labor Day Telethon.

Quaker is obfuscating. What is being sought here is influence on the Hill for the tribes.

No, he isn’t.

Show me one–just one–story that indicates that prosecutors think the Indian tribes have done anything wrong.

Dugger is misdirecting. Abramoff was stealing from the tribes and using the money for his own purposes. That the Indian tribes were clients of his does not implicate them in his crimes.

What is being sought here is influence on the Hill for the tribes.

True statement.

There are two ways to seek that influence: legally and illegally. One may seek influence legally by hiring a lobbyist to present your case to lawmakers. That lobbyist may also advise you to make legal campaign contributions to lawmakers who represent your interests.

Abramoff didn’t come up with this idea. It’s what lobbyists do.

One may seek influence illegally by giving lawmakers cash, campaign contributions, trips, etc. in exchange for their vote or other official acts. That’s called bribery and it’s illegal.

So far, Mr. Abramoff has admitted to doing exactly that with one lawmaker, Bob Ney. He’s also agreed to tell prosecutors all about his illegal activities with other lawmakers.

In the course of persuing these illegal activities, Mr. Abramoff admits to several crimes in which he stole money from his clients for himself.

That’s where it stands today.

No one has accused any of Mr. Abramoff’s clients, including the Indian tribes, of doing anything illegal. No one has named a Democrat who received any cash, campaign contributions, trips, or other swag from Mr. Abramoff (or from someone else acting on Mr. Abramoff’s instructions) in exchange for votes or official acts.

Now back to the Wash Times.

The Times, a couple of days ago, printed a story citing a source “working with the Justice department”, that claimed that Reid and Dorgan were on the hook. The Las Vegas paper followed up with a story that contradicted the Times.

The next day (yesterday), the Times followed up with the story dissected above. The writiers continually make a muddle of simple facts. The accusations (and admissions) of illegality are about bribery and fraud. The Times reporter conflates these accusations with “receiving campaign contributions” when there’s no assertion of illegal behavior in connection with those contributions.

In a nutshell, if a pickpocket steals five dollars from you and I borrow five dollars from you, that doesn’t make me a pickpocket.