The language currently found in the Senate Intelligence Committee bill raises a number of significant concerns and is not acceptable to the Administration without some additions and modifications. We are working with that Committee to address these concerns, and there do not appear to be any major areas of disagreement. I am hopeful that an agreement will be reached.

What Jamie Gorelick said in 1994 after Frank stopped reading.

Well, I guess that makes sense, we have all seen the quality of a liberal arts education these days.

“Those who can…….”

You’re also the only person on this blog who has sought to defend frameone, and who has gone to his blog, asking him for some help lest your comments become too shrill.

Sort of like asking a murderer how to develop more concern for life.

And we don’t need a program to identify the fools.

Are you posting in Latin as a tribute to that great classical language, or is it because you have been too many days without medication?

I suspect the latter, rather than the former.

“s to your understanding of the Federalist Papers I challenge you to find a single passage that could be reasonably cited as arguing in favor of unlimited Presidential power during war time.”

All your arguments are useless, because you start them with faulty premise, they proceed from there. Your foundation is weak, and of course you can’t maintain the remainder of your thesis.

Take your quote above. Your assumption is that I am in favor of unlimited power for POTUS during wartime, it is inferred from your statment.

However, as I pointed out, nowhere is there evidence that I am in support of such a thing.

So, you begin enormous cut-and-paste rampages, based on your shallow understanding of the Federalist Papers (and there historical content), and faulty premises of what I believe.

Shorter: You’re FOS from the minute you start typing…… LOL

If the power of the Executive frightens you, thank St. FDR, the patron saint of government expansion, and a liberal icon. If the bogus “Congressmen for Life” haven’t got the balls to declare war, it’s because they were castrated by your leftist comrades years ago during the Viet Nam war.

The Constitution … was written by human beings who believed that their fellow human beings had inherent rights to certain liberties, chief among them to be protected from the injustices of unchecked power.
Oh, really?
Well, as important as it was (to you), it wasn’t even mentioned in the Preamble.

Once again, I expect an obscenity filled tirade.

Just get the hell out of here.
That will never happen, you foul mouthed, effete, arrogant prick.
My great grandfather earned citizenship for himself and his family by leading an orchestra on a naval vessel. My mother’s father received a commendation from President Kennedy for surviving gas attacks in World War I, in which he fought for both the British and the Americans. Nearly every male member of my family entered the military, something you haven’t done, you yellow punk. Talk all that talk about taking on terrorists, and calling people cowards, and you couldn’t even join the military — you’re a friggin’ sissy, you are.

Frank… I came to the conclusion long ago that … you are [not] deserving of any respect nor any quarter. “Any quarter” Like you’re a fighter. What a joke. When was the last time you fought for anything? What did you do? File an obscenity – filled comment on a conservative blog? That’s about the extent of your fighting, eh, sissy boy?

You don’t even comment or say anything original on this blog. The only time you come out from under the intellectualoid guano, is when you’re attacking a conservative commenter. If that’s your role in life, you need to get out more — you know, go to the movies or something.

Since it seems that having people in your life (Lord knows what their lives must be like, suffering with you, I can just imagine: “Hi, Uncle Paul!” “Shut the fuck up, you little asshole!”) has had no civilizing effect on you, perhaps leaving the Groves of Academe, which you have yet to do, will introduce you to the less belligerent side of human life.

There’s always hope, anyway.

And, fastcheck and cleo, I saved you the trouble of digging up the Niemoller quote. I felt it coming.

Did you not write this:

“You have at best a twisted understanding of the constitution, yet you would throw away your loved ones based on that understanding. You are no better than that father who killed his daughters in an  honor killing in pakistan, all based on his  understanding of the Koran& ”

And you ask me what liberties I have lost you are suggesting that I should only be concerned with my own liberties, as if the liberties of my fellow citizens should mean nothing to me, as I don’t have an obligation to speak out when I think they’re rights are being violated. The simple fact the NSA eavesdropped on American citizens and US persons without a warrant is a violation of the law and the US Constitution. In my book, if the goverment violates the rights of one citizen, it violates all of our rights. You, of course, don’t give a shit about other people’s rights. You only think you have to care about your own, never understanding that if the government violates one person’s rights and you say nothing, they’ll violate yours too. But then again you’re an idiot so naturally you wouldn’t understand that.

“Independent of all other reasonings upon the subject, it is a full answer to those who require a more peremptory provision against military establishments in time of peace, to say that the whole power of the proposed government is to be in the hands of the representatives of the people. This is the essential, and, after all, only efficacious security for the rights and privileges of the people, which is attainable in civil society.1″

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa28.htm#1

You are a petty demogogue, driven to endless name calling in order to try to support your poorly thought out and unreferenced theses.

Then I wrote this:

As to your understanding of the Federalist Papers I challenge you to find a single passage that could be reasonably cited as arguing in favor of unlimited Presidential power during war time. Go ahead. Give it a shot. The passage you cited above is related to totally and completely related to Congressional authority to raise and maintain a national army. You can try to stretch the meaning all you want but it s right there in the essay. You suggest that I put forth an unreferenced thesis. Gimme a break. You didn t even provide a link to your source for the Hamilton quote. You didn t even mention that it was from the Federalist Papers. I gave you multiple links, a massive citation and arguments supported by direct quotations from several of Hamilton s essays to show you his line of thought. You provided and still refuse to provide any counter argument backed up with citations. None, whatsoever. Your dishonesty is self-evident to all.

Idiot.

You really don’t understand the first thing about the common good do you Pedro? It’s all about you and what happens to you and whether you are free to do and say what you want. Everyone else, especially those who may not believe what you believe, or look like you, can go to hell.

“You are a petty demogogue, driven to endless name calling in order to try to support your poorly thought out and unreferenced theses.”

As to your understanding of the Federalist Papers I challenge you to find a single passage that could be reasonably cited as arguing in favor of unlimited Presidential power during war time. Go ahead. Give it a shot. The passage you cited above is related to totally and completely related to Congressional authority to raise and maintain a national army. You can try to stretch the meaning all you want but it’s right there in the essay. You suggest that I put forth an unreferenced thesis. Gimme a break. You didn’t even provide a link to your source for the Hamilton quote. You didn’t even mention that it was from the Federalist Papers. I gave you multiple links, a massive citation and arguments supported by direct quotations from several of Hamilton’s essays to show you his line of thought. You provided and still refuse to provide any counter argument backed up with citations. None, whatsoever. Your dishonesty is self-evident to all.

“You support state sponsored torture, you support unlimited presidential powers, you see the Constitution as an obstacle to get around. ”

Further show me a passage that says….

“Pedro thinks that holding the principles and ideals of the Constitution above any one American life is akin to supporting  honor killing. I m glad you think that the Constitution is such a cruel instrument of oppression, Pedro. No wonder you want to do away with it.”

How does my asking you what freedoms or liberties YOU have lost turn into ” Everyone else, especially those who may not believe what you believe, or look like you, can go to hell.”?

These are a handful of YOUR dishonest statements. Yet you just call me a liar without any reference, all while making up ideas regarding my beliefs.