Liars, hypocrites(same as liar) and thieves need not apply!

You will find that citing Media Matters won’t cut it with me (no more than my referring you to Brent Bozell would work w/you). Your arguments might or might not be correct - on their own merit. And I never get talking points from anybody. And could care less about Hannity Malkin etc. Forget the facile Internet ‘debating’ tactics.
Dr P covered most of this. I was careful in my wording. The problem is political extremism - both sides - but the consequences of left extremism, have, historically, been much worse. And lets not confuse arguing/discussion over the Internet and political/philosphical debate, even with sharp-pointed areas of disagreement, with ‘thinking’ crimes. Orwell recognized this mostly institutionalized radical left wing phenomenon in Animal Farm but it is very much evident in the earlier Darkness at Noon by Koestler (Stalinist political trials, purges).

And if you think the radical right has been worse, check out the estimates of # murdered under Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc versus Hitler and pals. How long did the 3rd Reich last versus the Soviet Union?

OW please! The collectivist Bolshevik tsra-overthrowing Stalin was on the right!!!! Really?? You can do better than that. Thats just surrendering to us.

Dugger

Semantics is almost always victimizing one side or the other in any
exchange of ideas.

In the nether world of left vs right I think it is the intent of those who
lean left, to identify the thuggish tactics to the right, the other side
fully engages their defense mechanisms and retorts; ” More murderers
come from the left in history” and the perpetual game of Pong ensues.

I have often said, and I think those you typically spar with would
concur, “Get rid of all the murdering Bastards!”

Would anyone disagree with that?

How about; “Get rid of all the crooks and corruption?”

See. That’s not so hard to say. (harder to do, of course)

Can we all agree that, generally speaking, ‘where there’s
smoke, there is fire?”

Let’s pursue the smoke, wherever it gathers and snuff out the
flame before it fully involves those around it.

The problem with this approach is that some (like Saddam)
fight like Hell to keep their little game going as long as
possible.

It required extremism to remove him. That kind of extremism
is a little too extreme for domestic politics but the rhetorical
equivilent of war sometimes requires tactics that mirror the
oppostion. You know the old story about the guy who had to hit his
mule between the eyes with a 2×4 just to get his attention.

There are corrupt dems, there are corrupt Republicans. Can we
agree to get rid of these assholes with what ever tools we have
in a democracy?

But anyway, what does a “my dictators are less evil than yours” dick-measuring contest really achieve anyway? Shouldn’t we oppose all evil, no matter what side of the spectrum it cloaks itself in? Whether the evil lasts ten centuries, ten years, or ten minutes, is completely irrelevant.

Holy crap OW, you really believe that? Have you READ any history books?

Jesus, no wonder this site is so full of screwups, you people are truly unhinged…..you believe things with no basis in reality at all…up is down, down is up…..

I am sometimes frustrated that Joementum and other conservative Democrats don’t speak with one voice. But this is a problem that cannot be solved. Being liberal is about being able to have your own nuanced viewpoint.

Conservatives have been successful in elections because they all speak one simple, easy to remember mantra that is easy for people who don’t follow politics to understand, and they all are in lockstep with the message du jour.

And you must not watch much traditional media because you seem to miss how hannity, oreilly, malkin, coulter, robertson, rush, savage, etc. are courted obsessively by them. And if you say they aren’t extremists, what does one have to say to be considered extremist? Before you answer, check out the dossiers on each of them at mediamatters.

You again fail to read. My esteemed collegue, Duggre said “and over history, left wing extremists have been much more successful in setting up long-running dictatorships, murdering innocent people”

See the qualifier…”much more successful” Words have meanings kids.

Most right wing idealogues are pikers compared to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot

You see it isn’t how many names you can come up with, it is what those names “accomplished”. But I AM glad you understand a little latin

“But, politically, rhetorical differences matter. In fact, they are at the heart of Lieberman-hatred. Lieberman’s heresy isn’t ideological; it’s temperamental. He loathes confrontation, he exudes goodwill toward all; he takes it as an article of faith that what binds us together as Americans is more important than what divides us, always. He is chronically happy with American life. During the 2004 campaign, he wanted to be liked by Al Sharpton, and he was. Today, he wants to be liked by George W. Bush, and he is. “

or

“So Lieberman-hatred is really all about style, right? Actually, no–there’s one final slice, and it’s the most important of all. Behind Lieberman’s obsession with national unity is his deep conviction that the United States is at war–not just in Iraq, but around the world. The war on terrorism is his prism for viewing Bush. And it drains away his anger at the president’s misdeeds, because they always pale in comparison to those of America’s true enemy. When the Abu Ghraib revelations broke, Lieberman said America should apologize, but then added that “those who were responsible for killing 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001, never apologized.”

Or…no, I think everyone knows how to click on the link.

Boy, it’s much easier to call people stupid when just ignore their entire piece, isn’t it?

My point is that people with average values and intellect or higher should be repulsed by the concept of “right thinking” as put forth here. That is what was said in THIS thread - by someone of the LEFT. That would seem to call for a contextual response, wouldn’t it?
Now yes, I would wholeheartedly agree that there is a totalitarian mindset amongst political extremes of the right and left. The problem is that it is not fashionable at all in our culture, media and universites to be a right wing extremist (but the opposite, of course, is not true of the left) and over history, left wing extremists have been much more successful in setting up long-running dictatorships, murdering innocent people and creating misery than right wing ones. Hence, the left extreme, today, should be of much greater concern to us all - IMHO.

Dugger, Tripleplusgoodposter or cretinous Rethuglican?

By the way, there are about 6.5 murders a day in california….you guys ready to roll up the carpet and leave CA?

Lieberman can speak all he wants. he just can’t speak for me.