You’ve got, by George, you’ve got it!

whats your point?

1) More Democrats than Republicans?
2) If so, by how many?
3) Republican leadership equals who and how many?
4) “Nearly none” equals how many?

Wouldn’t want to embarrass you == eMail the answers to fd10801@gmail.com, if you don’t want to post them here.

Is this the kind of response you were expecting, Cleo?

From US NEWS & WR Aug 2001: Not all soldiers at My Lai participated in the carnage. Some men risked courtmartial or even death by defying Calley’s direct orders to shoot civilians.

For the record, the Hugh Thompson story was in January 7th s New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/national/07thompson.html

Is this the kind of response you were expecting, Cleo?

I thought I posted a comment in reference to that story, over there, but I don t see it, so I guess I ll repeat it here.

Thompson gave lie to Calley s story that his men just  reacted. Calley was guilty of murder, and should have been punished to the full extent of the UCMJ (as in hanging). All the other men, if it were proved they shot and killed civilians, should have done big time in Leavenworth.

The worst part of the whole thing was that the war effort itself was blamed for Calley s actions.

From US NEWS & WR Aug 2001: Not all soldiers at My Lai participated in the carnage. Some men risked courtmartial or even death by defying Calley s direct orders to shoot civilians.

http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/

Allrighty, then…

Then why go on hooting and hollering that Murtha is not negatively affecting recruitment levels?

Of course, it does detract somehow from his “decorated Marine hero – hawk” persona, does it not.

First, you have no response to my thorough destrustion of your simple – minded post on Vietnam.

Then you come back with that “aren’t you going down to the recruiter’s yet” stupidity, which we’ve already dismissed as irrelevant (by “we” I mean you and I, since we have agreed that what we do for our country — well, my country, anyway — is nobody’s business).

Now, you’re trying to tell me how I define “hawk.”

Let’s play the “Google game,” shall we? Google “John Murtha” hawk, and what do you get?

CNN.com – White House: Murtha’s call is ’surrender’ – Nov 18, 2005
Democratic hawk: US must leave Iraq. story.murtha.cnn.jpg. Senior Democrat Rep.
John Murtha on Thursday called the war in Iraq “a flawed policy wrapped in …

NPR : Long-time War Hawk, Murtha Is An Angry Dove
Long-time War Hawk, Murtha Is An Angry Dove. Murtha. Mark Wilson,

An Unlikely Lonesome Dove
In his 37 years in the military, John Murtha won two Purple Hearts, … he has been a fierce hawk, championing conflicts in Central America and the Persian …

Hawkish Democrat Joins Call For Pullout
John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq. …

THE BRAD BLOG: “War Hawk Rep. Murtha (D-PA) Calls for Immediate …
Guest blogged by David Edwards Representative John Murtha (D-PA), … A known Hawk, once very powerful. I believe this is a major story and perhaps too new …

Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/18/2005 | A Hawk Says Get Out
A Hawk Says Get Out. By James Kuhnhenn. Inquirer Washington Bureau.
Rep. John P. Murtha, a hawkish Marine Corps veteran

CBS News | John Murtha, The Real Deal | November 22, 2005 12:00:05
“When John Murtha says something on defense, people listen. He has always been a hawk, he’s not a garden variety liberal, nor a Bush hater.”

Do you think I labelled him a hawk? I had never heard of the guy until he turned his back on the Iraqis and the Marines in Iraq.

No “in other words”, corrigan — you are ignorant of the whole Indochina history. Your US – oriented view is just one piece of evidence for that assertion. The Indochinese War began in the late 1920’s, early 1930’s, while the French were still a colonial power in the area. Keep reading, you’ll learn eventually.

Start here

You are by no means “right on the mark” (see above). In fact, in addition to the above erroneous statement, everything else you said was incorrect. That’s why I said I couldn’t begin to correct you.

I don’t teach history, I am in graduate school. I attended undergraduate classes, and graduated in 1994. Those were the classes I referred to, and the statements I referred were more often made by professors than by students.

As for “critical thinking” (nice use of educo – babble, by the way), it requires education. Critical thinking without data is called “imagination.”

When it comes to history and politics, you wingers just can’t seem to grasp the concept of cause and effect. Add that to the demonstrated winger inability to distinguish anything beyond the binary, and statements like that above become predictable. Did Nixon set out to cause the killing fields to happen? Doubtful. Did his decision to carpet-bomb Cambodian villagers drive the surviving villagers into the arms of Lon Nol’s (Nixon’s local ally) enemies (including the Khmer Rouge)? Unquestionably.

Then why go on hooting and hollering that Murtha is not negatively affecting recruitment levels?

Of course, it does detract somehow from his  decorated Marine hero – hawk persona, does it not.

If by “hawk” you mean ignorant, unquestioning dupe of the executive branch, then, yes, Frank, I think Murtha fails to live down to that. Anyway, blaming Murtha for pointing out the obvious– well, this is more of that cause and effect thing.

By the way, Frank, why are you still here? Shouldn’t you be out helping with those recruitment efforts? If Murtha is so wrong, maybe all Bush needs is for veterans who believe in the war effort to go out and convince young people that military service is a good thing right now. There are thousands of young Republicans in high schools and colleges all over this country. I’m sure there a few in your area who would listen to your wisdom over Murtha’s any day…

Love the coinage. Via Oliver…

But I believe paciifists, war opponents should have the courage of their convictions to argue their own positions and philosophy and not try to borrow from Murtha s resume.

So let’s see if I follow you…

WAR OPPONENT: I think the war in Iraq is based on a misguided premise and we should bring the troops home as soon as possible.

WAR SUPPORTER: Shut up, hippie! You leftists don t have the stones (or perhaps the physical fitness) for the armed forces. You’re all just a bunch of draft dodgers who don’t know the first thing about the military.

WAR OPPONENT: I see. Well, this nice Mr. Murtha knows a lot about the military. I understand he was once a Marine drill sargent. He says the war is misguided too…

WAR SUPPORTER: Isn’t that just like a leftist? Why drag Murtha into this? Just because he was a soldier doesn’t mean his opinion counts for anything. What’s the matter with you?

Is that how it’s supposed to go?

I think pacifism is unrealistic and misguided and will lead a country to disaster in most circumstances. But that is certainly a debatable position. But there is nothing ostensibly wrong about my or anybody arguing for or against pacifism. But I believe paciifists, war opponents should have the courage of their convictions to argue their own positions and philosophy and not try to borrow from Murtha’s resume. It silly anyway. Would you cede my position because Oliver North, authentic war hero, might back it? Of course not. You think Ollie a buffoon. Exactly how I feel about Murtha.

Dugger

drpedro: It may be he isn’t being run out of town on a rail because people, in general, don’t disagree with what he’s saying. Haing been to Iraq, and having freinds who are still there, or going back; again, I can tell you the reason for poor morale isn’t the things Murtha is saying but rather the reason he is saying them.

And, being in the military, yes we tend to be more conservative, in some ways, but at the same time we know the difference between lip-service, and real support. I have no respect for people who abuse those who excercise the freedoms my service is meant to protect. If speaking one’s mind has become treason, then I am being asked to violate my oath, because petitioning for the redress of grievances, and speaking freely are part of the Constitution I swore to defend. Nowhere in my oath, any of the four times I’ve sworn it was I saying I was supporting and defending the president. merely obeying his lawful orders and those of the officers appointed over me.

As for Gen. Pace, he is enjoined from actively speaking against the administration, the congress, and the policies they’ve established under various articles of the UCMJ, so his statements about the morale of the troops are to be taken with a grain of salt, unless he’s swapping the shit with you over a drink, in an O-club somewhere.

TK