Comments on: New Year, Same Bush http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17459 drpedro Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:01:55 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17459 I'm waiting factcheck, or were you just paying lipservice to the "bedrock principle of democracy....: Yea, I thought so I’m waiting factcheck, or were you just paying lipservice to the “bedrock principle of democracy….:

Yea, I thought so

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17458 drpedro Tue, 03 Jan 2006 03:01:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17458 So why exactly wasn't wild bill clenis not run out of town on a rail then? What with all these high-faluting morals you lefties have suddenly developed... Oh yea, hypocrisy So why exactly wasn’t wild bill clenis not run out of town on a rail then? What with all these high-faluting morals you lefties have suddenly developed…

Oh yea, hypocrisy

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17457 drpedro Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:01:41 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17457 No, perjury before a federal judge while under oath. Can you people really overlook it that easily? If Clenis had been the CEO of IBM and he had "consentual" sexual activity with a 21 year old intern, he would have been run out of town, yet here his apologist run free. Should we really hold our president to a lower standard than a business executive? How did Kerry get into this discussion? You accuse ME of changing the subject! But Kerry has been convicted of the same thing Bush has, NOTHING HA No, perjury before a federal judge while under oath.

Can you people really overlook it that easily? If Clenis had been the CEO of IBM and he had “consentual” sexual activity with a 21 year old intern, he would have been run out of town, yet here his apologist run free. Should we really hold our president to a lower standard than a business executive?

How did Kerry get into this discussion? You accuse ME of changing the subject! But Kerry has been convicted of the same thing Bush has, NOTHING
HA

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17456 factcheck Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:01:27 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17456 For what again? Travelgate? Filegate? Selling secrets to the Chinese? Any of the other things that you and other republican garbage accused him of? Nope. Lying about consentual sexual activity. What was John Kerry convicted of, doctor demento? For what again? Travelgate? Filegate? Selling secrets to the Chinese? Any of the other things that you and other republican garbage accused him of?

Nope. Lying about consentual sexual activity.

What was John Kerry convicted of, doctor demento?

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17455 factcheck Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:01:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17455 That none of us is above the law is a bedrock principle of democracy. To erode that bedrock is to risk even further injustice. To erode that bedrock is to subscribe, to a "divine right of kings" theory of governance, in which those who govern are absolved from adhering to the basic moral standards to which the governed are accountable. We must never tolerate one law for the Ruler, and another for the Ruled. If we do, we break faith with our ancestors from Bunker Hill, Lexington and Concord to Flanders Field, Normandy, Iwo Jima, Panmunjon, Saigon and Desert Storm. That none of us is above the law is a bedrock principle of democracy. To erode that bedrock is to risk even further injustice. To erode that bedrock is to subscribe, to a “divine right of kings” theory of governance, in which those who govern are absolved from adhering to the basic moral standards to which the governed are accountable.

We must never tolerate one law for the Ruler, and another for the Ruled. If we do, we break faith with our ancestors from Bunker Hill, Lexington and Concord to Flanders Field, Normandy, Iwo Jima, Panmunjon, Saigon and Desert Storm.

]]> By: factcheck http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17454 factcheck Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:01:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17454 Except if it's a Clinton. Or any other Democrat. Except if it’s a Clinton. Or any other Democrat.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17453 drpedro Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:01:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17453 Actually, in America you have to prove something is ILLEGAL....not the other way around. Remember, "presumption of innocence"...? No, I didn't think so. Hypocrite.... Actually, in America you have to prove something is ILLEGAL….not the other way around. Remember, “presumption of innocence”…?

No, I didn’t think so.

Hypocrite….

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17452 Quaker in a Basement Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:01:14 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17452 <blockquote>Cracker in the Cellar is defending John Ashcroft& ..praise Jesus, he has seen the light! </blockquote> No, it means you're either delusional or deliberately dishonest. Your argument, above, was that Comey deferred a decision, preferring to wait for Ashcroft to make the call. That's not only wrong, it's immaterial because <i>Ashcroft shot down the White House too!</i> But go ahead, peedro. Explain to us how Crisco Johnny probably got it wrong and the domestic spying program is all perfectly legal.

Cracker in the Cellar is defending John Ashcroft& ..praise Jesus, he has seen the light!

No, it means you’re either delusional or deliberately dishonest.

Your argument, above, was that Comey deferred a decision, preferring to wait for Ashcroft to make the call. That’s not only wrong, it’s immaterial because Ashcroft shot down the White House too!

But go ahead, peedro. Explain to us how Crisco Johnny probably got it wrong and the domestic spying program is all perfectly legal.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17451 drpedro Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:01:53 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17451 Holy crap, do you know what that means? Cracker in the Cellar is defending John Ashcroft.....praise Jesus, he has seen the light! Holy crap, do you know what that means?

Cracker in the Cellar is defending John Ashcroft…..praise Jesus, he has seen the light!

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17450 Quaker in a Basement Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:01:25 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17450 But wait. Newsweek has more: <blockquote>On one day in the spring of 2004, White House chief of staff Andy Card and the then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales made a bedside visit to John Ashcroft, attorney general at the time, who was stricken with a rare and painful pancreatic disease, to try without success to get him to reverse his deputy, Acting Attorney General James Comey, who was balking at the warrantless eavesdropping. Miffed that Comey, a straitlaced, by-the-book former U.S. attorney from New York, was not a "team player" on this and other issues, President George W. Bush dubbed him with a derisive nickname, "Cuomo," after Mario Cuomo, the New York governor who vacillated over running for president in the 1980s. </blockquote> Hunh. Comey wasn't just stalling. He apparently turned the White House down. And <i>so did Ashcroft.</i> Straw man that, sparky. But wait. Newsweek has more:

On one day in the spring of 2004, White House chief of staff Andy Card and the then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales made a bedside visit to John Ashcroft, attorney general at the time, who was stricken with a rare and painful pancreatic disease, to try without success to get him to reverse his deputy, Acting Attorney General James Comey, who was balking at the warrantless eavesdropping. Miffed that Comey, a straitlaced, by-the-book former U.S. attorney from New York, was not a “team player” on this and other issues, President George W. Bush dubbed him with a derisive nickname, “Cuomo,” after Mario Cuomo, the New York governor who vacillated over running for president in the 1980s.

Hunh. Comey wasn’t just stalling. He apparently turned the White House down. And so did Ashcroft.

Straw man that, sparky.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17449 midderpidge Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:01:05 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17449 Stop comparing Bush to Hitler. Let's see prison, expulsion from congress. Yes. Sip on. Stop comparing Bush to Hitler.

Let’s see prison, expulsion from congress. Yes. Sip on.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17448 drpedro Sun, 01 Jan 2006 23:01:21 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17448 yea, cause you know senators and congress are such shy, retiring types. I mean, they were forced to just sit in the corner by mean ol'e Mr Mc bushhitler and not say a word! what a maroon..... yea, cause you know senators and congress are such shy, retiring types. I mean, they were forced to just sit in the corner by mean ol’e Mr Mc bushhitler and not say a word!

what a maroon…..

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17447 midderpidge Sun, 01 Jan 2006 23:01:18 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17447 DrPedro lives in a dream world. "Presented to Congress" = briefing a few leaders then locking them down by classification so they can't discuss it with anyone including staff, legal experts, or each other. Corney didn't want to make the call, but characterizing it as "waiting for his boss to get out of the hospital" is a little misleading. Bush & Co. took it to Ashcroft in the hospital. DrPedro was reassured as soon as he got his Dixie Cup. DrPedro lives in a dream world.

“Presented to Congress” = briefing a few leaders then locking them down by classification so they can’t discuss it with anyone including staff, legal experts, or each other.

Corney didn’t want to make the call, but characterizing it as “waiting for his boss to get out of the hospital” is a little misleading. Bush & Co. took it to Ashcroft in the hospital.

DrPedro was reassured as soon as he got his Dixie Cup.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17446 drpedro Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:01:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17446 Experience is not a substitute for authority. Nice straw man Experience is not a substitute for authority.

Nice straw man

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17445 Quaker in a Basement Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:01:39 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17445 <blockquote>Exactly, so he waited for his boss to make the call& ..</blockquote> Yes, it was wise for that wet-behind-the-ears newbie Comey to defer to the seasoned wisdom and experience of John Ashcroft.

Exactly, so he waited for his boss to make the call& ..

Yes, it was wise for that wet-behind-the-ears newbie Comey to defer to the seasoned wisdom and experience of John Ashcroft.

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17444 drpedro Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:01:14 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17444 The same way it always has. Things get presented to select committees and those members are responsible for vetting the idea. If Rockefeller was concerned he could have it presented to the full committee or taken any one of a number of other routes to have it reviewed. Are you done bandying semantics? Want to address the issue? Yea, I thought not.... The same way it always has. Things get presented to select committees and those members are responsible for vetting the idea. If Rockefeller was concerned he could have it presented to the full committee or taken any one of a number of other routes to have it reviewed.

Are you done bandying semantics? Want to address the issue?

Yea, I thought not….

]]> By: Semanticleo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17443 Semanticleo Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:01:03 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17443 More cockroaches scurrying on the linoleum  presented Facts? You don nee no steenkin facts. What exactly is the semantics of  presented ? and how would the lameass, semi-disclosed facts to a chosen few suffice as  informing Congress? More cockroaches scurrying on the linoleum

 presented

Facts? You don nee no steenkin facts.

What exactly is the semantics of  presented ? and how would
the lameass, semi-disclosed facts to a chosen few suffice
as  informing Congress?

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17442 drpedro Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:01:29 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17442 Exactly, so he waited for his boss to make the call..... oh, the humanity of it all! All these DOJ concerns you keep bringing up just REINFORCE the fact that this program has been gone over with a fine tooth comb.. Oh, and where are Pelosi, Reid, Rockefeller and Dean again? I still here nothing but crickets from that side of the aisle... Exactly, so he waited for his boss to make the call…..

oh, the humanity of it all!

All these DOJ concerns you keep bringing up just REINFORCE the fact that this program has been gone over with a fine tooth comb..

Oh, and where are Pelosi, Reid, Rockefeller and Dean again? I still here nothing but crickets from that side of the aisle…

]]> By: drpedro http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17441 drpedro Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:01:56 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17441 He didn't oppose it, he waited until ashcroft was out of the hospital so he wouldn't have to make a huge national defense related call while his boss was away. Yea, that's hard to believe, an assistant would wait until his boss returned for an important decision, what a scandal! He didn’t oppose it, he waited until ashcroft was out of the hospital so he wouldn’t have to make a huge national defense related call while his boss was away.
Yea, that’s hard to believe, an assistant would wait until his boss returned for an important decision, what a scandal!

]]> By: Semanticleo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/01/01/new-year-same-bush/#comment-17440 Semanticleo Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:01:14 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=1157#comment-17440 With the Attorney General unavailable, the administration turned to Comey, who refused to sign off on the program because of "concerns about its legality and oversight." With the Attorney General unavailable, the administration turned to Comey, who refused to sign off on the program because of “concerns about its legality and oversight.”

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