My bad- I was starting to care about Frank’s life events.

And I didn’t tell “half the story”. I told about a tenth of the story, if not less.

The idea that you use the Imperial “we” and make a statement like “we are left to further surmise that not only are you embarrassed by the crime itself, but also that you were guilty of said crime,” is the most outrageously ignorant and stupid statement I have ever seen in the blogosphere. And, considering that people like Semanticleo and Jadegold post here, you have accomplished quite a bit.

And I like this one: Why you thought you could pass off a lame, obviously contrived example to support your  everybody does it assertion, and not get called on it, is beyond me.

First of all, to clarify something for someone like you, who clearly never finished elementary school, It’s not an “everyone does it” assertion. It’s an “it has happened to almost everybody” assertion.
Second, it cannot be obviously contrived for two reasons: 1) It actually happened, so it was not contrived; and 2) If it were “obviously” contrived, why would you ask me for proof?

And if I could make up the three anecdotes, why couldn’t I make up background to convince you they were true, if that were my goal (it must be sinking in by now, that is not going to happen)

As to “getting called” on it, since it was never my intention to ‘prove’ the stories were true, I never expected to be “called on them.”

And, by the way, no one else seems to be concerned about the truth or falsehood of the anecdotes, except you, so it’s not as if there is a flurry of posts to get at the truth.

So here how it goes: The anecdotes I cited were not the big deal you are trying to pretend they are, or are trying to “surmise”: [ooooh - big word!] I am trying to pretend they were. They were simply three of several things that have happened to me in my lifetime. Perhaps you are misled by the fact that you think I am as young as you undoubtedly are.

I am nearly 60 years old. I’ve been a lot of places, and I’ve seen and done a lot of things. I have no reason to tell anonymous lies. Nothing could be a greater waste of time.

Except perhaps bickering with you.

But SHOWING IT was priceless; as anyone who read you trite, self-serving post (and my rebuttal) could see.

“What a maroon! You don t know what I look like, you horse s patoot!”

Nice to see that you could contribute to the “cartoonish republicans” theme, although truthfully, it would have had more impact if you’d thought of it first.

Remember upthread when I said: “Try posting something that originates in YOUR head for a change”?
I see you haven’t yet mastered that concept.

Typical republican. I whipped your behind by showing how you and other republicans only tell half of the story. Why you thought you could pass off a lame, obviously contrived example to support your “everybody does it” assertion, and not get called on it, is beyond me. Were you a flight risk? Were your actions so heinous that they outraged the citizens of you community - are these the reasons you “were denied bail” as you’ve previously stated? Since you balk at telling the whole story, we are left to assume that there are elements of your anecdote you find embarrassing - people are human; I could understand that (if you’d admit it) but since you only deflect, we are left to further surmise that not only are you embarrassed by the crime itself, but also that you were guilty of said crime. Another sad example of the republican “culture of corruption” that has infected the body politic.

(Let me say it for you. ‘Incomprehensible’)

“Olive Oyl physique” What a maroon! You don’t know what I look like, you horse’s patoot!

I will try this one more time. If you don’t get it this time, I will ignore you.

There will always be constitutional abuses by law enforcement, just as there will always be crime. That’s the way of the world. We can’t, IMHO, worry about Constitutional niceties to the degree that we leave ourselves unprotected from such dangers as “dirty bombs.”

Now, you can agree with me or not, you can formulate a real argument or not, but if you are going to continue to hurl insults and call me names, I will no longer respond.

You’re acting like a jerk, and I won’t encourage you.

Headcase

Been to a casino lately? Ha, ha, ha, … you kill me!

And Frank, your “I was once choked with my own tie” crap? Non-sequitur you say?

Try posting something that originates in YOUR head for a change - you’ll see it’s hard work! Happy holidays!

Did you get that Olive Oyl physique from battling strawmen?

Who said we should “shut down the police stations because there are bad apples”?

Is you favorite character of the from the Wizard of Oz the wicked witch? She like to pick on strawmen, too.

And you sure “saved your self” from telling the rest of the story - the part about why you were held without bail - it must have been quite a reprehensible act - or were you a flight risk?

The fact that you didn’t tell the whole story means that yes, functionally, YOU ARE A LIAR! You must think I’m a republican to swallow such fairy tails! Get you story straight and tell the whole thing, or spare us the self-righteous half-truths.

So, since there is not enough of the story for you to question and doubt, I can save myself a lot of typing, because you called me a liar. That’s just plain stupid, and helps you to evade the point of the story: Many people have been the victim of police excess.

It’s a part of my life, and many other Americans’ lives. We don’t just shut down the police department, because there are “bad apples.”

The whole think about “piss - your - pants scared republicans are by nature” coming from a Democrat, with a tradition of better Red than dead for the entire Cold War, is laughable.

And, of course, the whole Indians story is a non sequitur of the highest rank.

Try again with a real argument next time.

Another strawman, another dollar.

This “leak” was politically motivated - by Bush, to distract from the current and coming scandals (Abramoff is pleading, Rove still may be indicted, Frist’s stock sale, DeLay’s one dismissed charge is being re-submitted, Bob Ney is dead meat, the illegal wire-tapping scandal, to name a few). It is meant to confuse the issue (and for some it has apparently worked) to show our “great leader” doing everything possible to “protect” us, when in reality it is used to increase presidential power. Your answer fails the “Clinton Test”; would you be so accepting of this if the president’s name was Clinton instead of Bush? I think not.

Spin yourself silly - what does “strangled by my necktie, and held without bail” contribute to the discussion? I’ve spent time in jail for false arrest, and been forced to sleep in a ditch before . . . so what?
That’s about as relevant as “strangled by my necktie, and held without bail”.

Although you say you were “strangled by my necktie, and held without bail”, you neglect to tell us; was your crime so serious that bail was denied you? Perhaps it (denying you bail) was warranted; but since you (like all republican propagandists) only tell the half of the story that furthers your interest, we are left to conclude your “tale” is bogus - otherwise, you would have given us the details of the arrest. So typical.

Have you ever been bothered by the police without cause? In the real world, they would have broke your head, or got you in a strangle hold before you could get to the phone to call the ACLU; forget the editorial desk of the New York Times.

Grow up, everybody! I’ve been stopped and searched, had my baggage checked ( in the street! ), been strangled by my necktie in Times’ Square, held without bail in Texas.

I’ll take that over being vaporized any goddammed day.

What they’re doing doesn’t run the risk of disrupting or discouraging any legal activity. If my memory isn’t failing me (as it often does), I think case law will be squarely on their side this time.

Yes, profiling by nationality or religion is stupid and the targets they’ve chosen probably include some very unlikely places for anyone to be building a nuclear device. But this doesn’t strike me as rising to the level of an “unreasonable search.”

Go Trojans…..

HO,HO,HO,