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		<title>By: AlexCorrigan</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16492</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexCorrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ad-hominem attacks&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;bigoted and close-minded&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;a complete fool &lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;bullshit&lt;/i&gt;

Doing a little projecting, are we?  You&#039;re just mad because I spanked your worthless ass.  I have to admit, it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; easy for me, considering that I came armed with facts and thinking skills, and you came armed with-- well, really lame versions of RNC talking points.  Just be glad this isn&#039;t my blog; that&#039;s why I went easy on your sorry hide.

Next time you want to enter a rhetorical gunfight, don&#039;t bring your frowny-face flash cards.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>ad-hominem attacks</i><br />
<i>bigoted and close-minded</i><br />
<i>a complete fool </i><br />
<i>bullshit</i></p>
<p>Doing a little projecting, are we?  You&#8217;re just mad because I spanked your worthless ass.  I have to admit, it <i>was</i> easy for me, considering that I came armed with facts and thinking skills, and you came armed with&#8211; well, really lame versions of RNC talking points.  Just be glad this isn&#8217;t my blog; that&#8217;s why I went easy on your sorry hide.</p>
<p>Next time you want to enter a rhetorical gunfight, don&#8217;t bring your frowny-face flash cards.</p>
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		<title>By: zorro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16491</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrigan:
Don&#039;t think you get off that easy.  Trying to hide behind self righteous criticism just makes you more of a pussy.  You think that bullying behavior and ad-hominem attacks make you clever?  You obviously think much higher of yourself than is prudent.  You rant and rave about how stupid the other side is, but usually end up showing how bigoted and close-minded YOU are.  Hiding behind Jesus Christ are we?  Every angry post you make, you just prove what a complete fool you are; someone who can&#039;t get past his irrational hate for GWB and projecting onto all who share conservative beliefs.  You don&#039;t fool anyone with your bullshit Corrigan.  By the way, I&#039;ve visited your little blog.  I guess all that traffic must really keep you hopping.  And you call yourself part of the &quot;reality based&quot; community?  You need to hop on back down the rabbit hole where you come from boy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrigan:<br />
Don&#8217;t think you get off that easy.  Trying to hide behind self righteous criticism just makes you more of a pussy.  You think that bullying behavior and ad-hominem attacks make you clever?  You obviously think much higher of yourself than is prudent.  You rant and rave about how stupid the other side is, but usually end up showing how bigoted and close-minded YOU are.  Hiding behind Jesus Christ are we?  Every angry post you make, you just prove what a complete fool you are; someone who can&#8217;t get past his irrational hate for GWB and projecting onto all who share conservative beliefs.  You don&#8217;t fool anyone with your bullshit Corrigan.  By the way, I&#8217;ve visited your little blog.  I guess all that traffic must really keep you hopping.  And you call yourself part of the &#8220;reality based&#8221; community?  You need to hop on back down the rabbit hole where you come from boy.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexCorrigan</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16490</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexCorrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Morales  plan? Get those filthy gringos to buy more cocaine.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, randy, I&#039;ve got an easy solution to foiling Morales&#039; alleged plan: how about you filthy gringos &lt;i&gt;stop using so much cocaine.&lt;/i&gt;  Or maybe you need the Nanny State to protect you from your own illicit desires.

&lt;i&gt;The Nicaraguans threw the bums out once they realized the Sandanista s were a bunch of corrupt thugs. &lt;/i&gt;

We have another person ignorant of recent history.  The Sandanistas were swept into power despite violent opposition from holdouts loyal to Somoza  This was after a long and bloody civil war in which-- once again-- the majority of the population was held down by an entrenched, U.S.-backed right-wing dictatorship (this one was a family dynasty).

Jeez, randy, have you never heard of the contras?  Do right-wing brains have the memory of fish, or just their critical thinking ability?  Is the cocaine doing this to you?  The Reaganites spent the better part of a decade funding and training elements of the former Somoza-loyalist National Guard, plus assorted mercenaries and other terrorists recruited from around Latin America.  The contras carried out a campaign of terrorism; they generally avoided direct confrontation with the legitimate Nicaraguan military, instead going for &#039;soft targets&#039; like teachers, judges, and other unarmed civilians.  There were kidnappings, bombings, assassinations-- hey, maybe they shipped some of their CIA handbooks to Iraq by mistake!!

The U.S. had an &#039;embassy&#039; set up in Honduras, run by John Negroponte, just to coordinate this crap.  The CIA even mined the harbors of Nicaragua&#039;s ports.  These things were all acts of war, and were loudly condemned by the international community (except for Honduras, of course, where speaking out against U.S. aggression would get you tossed out a helicopter from altitude).

Anyway, it was the fatigue of decades of bloodshed that led much of the population to give in to threats of further U.S.-sponsored terrorism and vote for &quot;centrists&quot; as opposed to the Sandanistas.

Get a f--king clue, randy.  Otherwise you&#039;ll try to be clever, and you&#039;ll just look stupid.  Maybe that passes for wisdom in Freeperland...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Morales  plan? Get those filthy gringos to buy more cocaine.</i></p>
<p>Hey, randy, I&#8217;ve got an easy solution to foiling Morales&#8217; alleged plan: how about you filthy gringos <i>stop using so much cocaine.</i>  Or maybe you need the Nanny State to protect you from your own illicit desires.</p>
<p><i>The Nicaraguans threw the bums out once they realized the Sandanista s were a bunch of corrupt thugs. </i></p>
<p>We have another person ignorant of recent history.  The Sandanistas were swept into power despite violent opposition from holdouts loyal to Somoza  This was after a long and bloody civil war in which&#8211; once again&#8211; the majority of the population was held down by an entrenched, U.S.-backed right-wing dictatorship (this one was a family dynasty).</p>
<p>Jeez, randy, have you never heard of the contras?  Do right-wing brains have the memory of fish, or just their critical thinking ability?  Is the cocaine doing this to you?  The Reaganites spent the better part of a decade funding and training elements of the former Somoza-loyalist National Guard, plus assorted mercenaries and other terrorists recruited from around Latin America.  The contras carried out a campaign of terrorism; they generally avoided direct confrontation with the legitimate Nicaraguan military, instead going for &#8217;soft targets&#8217; like teachers, judges, and other unarmed civilians.  There were kidnappings, bombings, assassinations&#8211; hey, maybe they shipped some of their CIA handbooks to Iraq by mistake!!</p>
<p>The U.S. had an &#8216;embassy&#8217; set up in Honduras, run by John Negroponte, just to coordinate this crap.  The CIA even mined the harbors of Nicaragua&#8217;s ports.  These things were all acts of war, and were loudly condemned by the international community (except for Honduras, of course, where speaking out against U.S. aggression would get you tossed out a helicopter from altitude).</p>
<p>Anyway, it was the fatigue of decades of bloodshed that led much of the population to give in to threats of further U.S.-sponsored terrorism and vote for &#8220;centrists&#8221; as opposed to the Sandanistas.</p>
<p>Get a f&#8211;king clue, randy.  Otherwise you&#8217;ll try to be clever, and you&#8217;ll just look stupid.  Maybe that passes for wisdom in Freeperland&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Schmoe</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16489</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Schmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The swing to the left in South America is fairly easy to diagnose...it is the result of very poorly thought out policy by this Adminstrations jugheads.   We have always been able to get our way through cajoling, bribery or, as in Panama, mass murder.   But this administration cannot even do this right.

Once we were blamed for the coups to topple Chavez, ones that he easily overcame, the rest of the South America lost their fear of us.  And no matter how conservatives try to write it, our lack of easy victory in Iraq has hurt our ability to bully our neighbors.  NOBODY IS AFRAID OF US ANYMORE!! Ask Iran, North Korea and China..

The scary part...the really scary part, is that South America is turning left because of us and in spite of us.  Our support for IMT, WTO, CAFTA, etc.  they see as hurting them rather than helping. WHy are they turning left?  Because turning right cost them their economic independence.

THe leaders of these countries no longer fear us or look to us for guidance. THey see Bush as a democratically elected son of a bitch just as the Bushes see them as the same.  Now they want to democratically elect their own sons of bitches.  And jabbing a thumb in DIck CHeney&#039;s eye is just a bonus.

By the way...Condi Rice cannot speak or read Russian well enough to be considered an expert on anything slavic.  The Russian newspapers mocked her intellect, her knowledge of Russian history and her poor attempts at conversation.  She wasnt as good at Russian as Bush is at Spanish.

The truth hurts, doesnt it, right wing nut bags?  Shoot the messenger.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The swing to the left in South America is fairly easy to diagnose&#8230;it is the result of very poorly thought out policy by this Adminstrations jugheads.   We have always been able to get our way through cajoling, bribery or, as in Panama, mass murder.   But this administration cannot even do this right.</p>
<p>Once we were blamed for the coups to topple Chavez, ones that he easily overcame, the rest of the South America lost their fear of us.  And no matter how conservatives try to write it, our lack of easy victory in Iraq has hurt our ability to bully our neighbors.  NOBODY IS AFRAID OF US ANYMORE!! Ask Iran, North Korea and China..</p>
<p>The scary part&#8230;the really scary part, is that South America is turning left because of us and in spite of us.  Our support for IMT, WTO, CAFTA, etc.  they see as hurting them rather than helping. WHy are they turning left?  Because turning right cost them their economic independence.</p>
<p>THe leaders of these countries no longer fear us or look to us for guidance. THey see Bush as a democratically elected son of a bitch just as the Bushes see them as the same.  Now they want to democratically elect their own sons of bitches.  And jabbing a thumb in DIck CHeney&#8217;s eye is just a bonus.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230;Condi Rice cannot speak or read Russian well enough to be considered an expert on anything slavic.  The Russian newspapers mocked her intellect, her knowledge of Russian history and her poor attempts at conversation.  She wasnt as good at Russian as Bush is at Spanish.</p>
<p>The truth hurts, doesnt it, right wing nut bags?  Shoot the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexCorrigan</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16488</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexCorrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;JD wrote&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Alex - please do explain how Israel is an example of an oppressive regime.&lt;/i&gt;

I won&#039;t bother.  I&#039;ll let a really smart Palestinian do it for me:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/transcripts/edwardsaid.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edward Said: On Dignity and Solidarity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;b&gt;zero wrote&lt;/b&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;You are a consistent Blame America First idiot. If the shoe fits, wear it.&lt;/i&gt;

Gladly, zero.  I am an idiot just like my hero, Jesus Christ, who taught me the following:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

&quot;Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother&#039;s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, &#039;Let me take the speck out of your eye,&#039; when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; (Matthew 7:2-4)
I don&#039;t go looking at other nations&#039; behavior and making criticisms until I know that the U.S., in which I was born, have lived my entire life, and where I reside as a voter and taxpayer, is doing the best it can to be righteous.  That&#039;s my responsibility as a citizen of a democracy.


&lt;b&gt;zero wrote&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Are you so ashamed of your leftist leanings that you must try to conceal them. You consistently use language and phrasing on this site commonly used by soviet era propagandists.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, zero, I am so ashamed of my leftist leanings (which are also patterned after the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidchandler.com/writings/BiblicalLiberal.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;living example&lt;/a&gt; of my hero, Jesus Christ) that I often, apparently, spout Soviet-era propaganda!  Gee, zero, I had no idea!  Since you&#039;re an expert on Soviet-era propaganda (like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0408-04.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Condi Rice&lt;/a&gt;?), maybe you could give me a few examples.

&lt;i&gt;Oh, and I m sure YOU have never spelled ANYTHING wrong and hit the submit button before catching it&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I&#039;ve made MANY speling erhors that got past the &quot;submit&quot; button.  However, unlike you, zero, I don&#039;t let anything &lt;i&gt;really stupid&lt;/i&gt; get past the &quot;submit&quot; button.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Who else wants some?!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>JD wrote</b>: <i>Alex &#8211; please do explain how Israel is an example of an oppressive regime.</i></p>
<p>I won&#8217;t bother.  I&#8217;ll let a really smart Palestinian do it for me:<br />
<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/transcripts/edwardsaid.shtml" rel="nofollow"><b>Edward Said: On Dignity and Solidarity</b></a></p>
<p><b>zero wrote</b>:  <i>You are a consistent Blame America First idiot. If the shoe fits, wear it.</i></p>
<p>Gladly, zero.  I am an idiot just like my hero, Jesus Christ, who taught me the following:<br />
<i>&#8220;For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother&#8217;s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, &#8216;Let me take the speck out of your eye,&#8217; when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?&#8221;</i> (Matthew 7:2-4)<br />
I don&#8217;t go looking at other nations&#8217; behavior and making criticisms until I know that the U.S., in which I was born, have lived my entire life, and where I reside as a voter and taxpayer, is doing the best it can to be righteous.  That&#8217;s my responsibility as a citizen of a democracy.</p>
<p><b>zero wrote</b>: <i>Are you so ashamed of your leftist leanings that you must try to conceal them. You consistently use language and phrasing on this site commonly used by soviet era propagandists.</i></p>
<p>Yes, zero, I am so ashamed of my leftist leanings (which are also patterned after the <a href="http://www.davidchandler.com/writings/BiblicalLiberal.htm" rel="nofollow">living example</a> of my hero, Jesus Christ) that I often, apparently, spout Soviet-era propaganda!  Gee, zero, I had no idea!  Since you&#8217;re an expert on Soviet-era propaganda (like <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0408-04.htm" rel="nofollow">Condi Rice</a>?), maybe you could give me a few examples.</p>
<p><i>Oh, and I m sure YOU have never spelled ANYTHING wrong and hit the submit button before catching it</i></p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve made MANY speling erhors that got past the &#8220;submit&#8221; button.  However, unlike you, zero, I don&#8217;t let anything <i>really stupid</i> get past the &#8220;submit&#8221; button.</p>
<p><i><b>Who else wants some?!</b></i></p>
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		<title>By: zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrigan:
I didn&#039;t miss that clause, I merely dismissed it as lip service.  You are a consistent Blame America First idiot.  If the shoe fits, wear it.  Are you so ashamed of your leftist leanings that you must try to conceal them.  You consistently use language and phrasing on this site commonly used by soviet era propagandists.  Come on out of the closet, it&#039;s not like you wouldn&#039;t be at home on this site.  Oh, and I&#039;m sure YOU have never spelled ANYTHING wrong and hit the submit button before catching it, you moron.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrigan:<br />
I didn&#8217;t miss that clause, I merely dismissed it as lip service.  You are a consistent Blame America First idiot.  If the shoe fits, wear it.  Are you so ashamed of your leftist leanings that you must try to conceal them.  You consistently use language and phrasing on this site commonly used by soviet era propagandists.  Come on out of the closet, it&#8217;s not like you wouldn&#8217;t be at home on this site.  Oh, and I&#8217;m sure YOU have never spelled ANYTHING wrong and hit the submit button before catching it, you moron.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - please do explain how Israel is an example of an oppressive regime.
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		<title>By: AlexCorrigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexCorrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t try to blame dyslexia, zorro, unless it also caused you to miss this clause:
&lt;i&gt;If the U.S. is going to remain a leader in the western hemisphere, then it should lead benevolently and by positive example&lt;/i&gt;
I&#039;d say your attempt to be clever would have been admirable had you not been so incapable of making it work.  Jeez, can&#039;t any of you wingers use your God-given powers of reasoning?  At least this explains why you keep supporting Bush.  Try again...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t try to blame dyslexia, zorro, unless it also caused you to miss this clause:<br />
<i>If the U.S. is going to remain a leader in the western hemisphere, then it should lead benevolently and by positive example</i><br />
I&#8217;d say your attempt to be clever would have been admirable had you not been so incapable of making it work.  Jeez, can&#8217;t any of you wingers use your God-given powers of reasoning?  At least this explains why you keep supporting Bush.  Try again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn dyslexia:  Prelotariat to Proletariat
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		<title>By: zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can convince the slack-jawed mouthbreathers in our own electorate that Chávez is a dangerous, anti-democratic commie, but the rest of the world sees that the biggest danger to world peace and stability is the nation that launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq, continues its support for oppressive regimes in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.), and never met an internationally beneficial treaty that it couldn t reject (Kyoto, World thingie on Racism, International Criminal Court, etc.). &quot;


Shorter Corrigan: &quot;Down with Amerikka, long live the international Prelotariat!&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can convince the slack-jawed mouthbreathers in our own electorate that Chávez is a dangerous, anti-democratic commie, but the rest of the world sees that the biggest danger to world peace and stability is the nation that launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq, continues its support for oppressive regimes in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.), and never met an internationally beneficial treaty that it couldn t reject (Kyoto, World thingie on Racism, International Criminal Court, etc.). &#8221;</p>
<p>Shorter Corrigan: &#8220;Down with Amerikka, long live the international Prelotariat!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: randy</title>
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		<description>&quot;the wealthycriollo elites in most of these countries have always managed to make their own enrichment and aggrandizement the effective law of the land, and the needs of the majority populations (indigenos, gauchos, mestizos, etc.) have been placed on the back burner, if on the stove at all. Most importantly to this thread, though, the U.S. has always  always  supported the brutal right-wing dictatorships that have maintained (or restored) the colonial status quo.&quot;

While this statement is true, it remains to be seen if the socialist oriented regimes will be as corrupt as the old guard. The Nicaraguans threw the bums out once they realized the Sandanista&#039;s were a bunch of corrupt thugs. I&#039;ll bet the same will happen in Venezula and Bolivia.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the wealthycriollo elites in most of these countries have always managed to make their own enrichment and aggrandizement the effective law of the land, and the needs of the majority populations (indigenos, gauchos, mestizos, etc.) have been placed on the back burner, if on the stove at all. Most importantly to this thread, though, the U.S. has always  always  supported the brutal right-wing dictatorships that have maintained (or restored) the colonial status quo.&#8221;</p>
<p>While this statement is true, it remains to be seen if the socialist oriented regimes will be as corrupt as the old guard. The Nicaraguans threw the bums out once they realized the Sandanista&#8217;s were a bunch of corrupt thugs. I&#8217;ll bet the same will happen in Venezula and Bolivia.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, you&#039;re right, of course. It really is a shame that Israel can&#039;t simply let Hamas live in peace.
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its funny that simply pointing out a fact gets you cons thinking that I endorse anything this guy says. Explains a lot about the &quot;bias&quot; bugaboo.
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16479</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hedley - Come on ... you know that Israel is the most oppressive regime in the world ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedley &#8211; Come on &#8230; you know that Israel is the most oppressive regime in the world <img src='http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stwendeler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver - Might I recommend Hayek&#039;s classic work, &lt;i&gt;The Road to Serfdom&lt;/i&gt;, which explains how once you start down the path of economic planning, you end up with an authoritarian government (since human activity is economic activity, at some point, governments must control the activities of their subjects citizens.)  Written near the end of World War II, Hayek was concerned about the proclivity of Britain&#039;s elites to move towards a socialist economy - albeit for noble reasons.  He was concerned that they&#039;d beat the Nazis in Germany, only to end up with a socialist or fascistic state at home.

Heck, I&#039;ll even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226320618/qid=1135091203/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1139072-4175100?n=507846&amp;s=books&amp;v=glance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pay for the copy of it&lt;/a&gt; if you&#039;re willing to read it...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver &#8211; Might I recommend Hayek&#8217;s classic work, <i>The Road to Serfdom</i>, which explains how once you start down the path of economic planning, you end up with an authoritarian government (since human activity is economic activity, at some point, governments must control the activities of their subjects citizens.)  Written near the end of World War II, Hayek was concerned about the proclivity of Britain&#8217;s elites to move towards a socialist economy &#8211; albeit for noble reasons.  He was concerned that they&#8217;d beat the Nazis in Germany, only to end up with a socialist or fascistic state at home.</p>
<p>Heck, I&#8217;ll even <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226320618/qid=1135091203/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1139072-4175100?n=507846&#038;s=books&#038;v=glance" rel="nofollow">pay for the copy of it</a> if you&#8217;re willing to read it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hedley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It appears, and I certainly hope it keeps up, that much of Latin America is finally in a position to wipe its collective ass on the Monroe Doctrine.&lt;/i&gt;

I thought you were going to make it without one &quot;ass.&quot; Damn, you were so close.  Your post brought me to tears, though. Especially the part about Israel being an &quot;oppressive regime.&quot; That was a nice touch.
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<p>I thought you were going to make it without one &#8220;ass.&#8221; Damn, you were so close.  Your post brought me to tears, though. Especially the part about Israel being an &#8220;oppressive regime.&#8221; That was a nice touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Nuclear Strikes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;He is so full of hate for Bush&lt;/strong&gt;

That Oliver Willis (Occupation: Toole) is praising the possibility of increasing America s crack cocaine supply. Can We Finally Call It A Trend Another politician in South America with a leftist message wins office. The South American politician with...
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<p>That Oliver Willis (Occupation: Toole) is praising the possibility of increasing America s crack cocaine supply. Can We Finally Call It A Trend Another politician in South America with a leftist message wins office. The South American politician with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AlexCorrigan</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/19/can-we-finally-call-it-a-trend/#comment-16475</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexCorrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elrod wrote:
&lt;i&gt;the Latin American Left Turn was in response to Clinton, and then Bush after he continued Clinton s neo-liberal policies. I m not sure if Iraq had anything to do with it. In fact, Latin Americans (especially conservatives) have complained that the US has ignored them because of Middle East tunnel vision. Thus, Leftists are able to take advantage while Bush is distracted in Iraq.&lt;/i&gt;

You have to understand that most of Latin America has been trying to make this &#039;left turn&#039; for centuries. Unfortunately, (or fortunately, if you&#039;re an imperialist/elitist/fascist) the wealthy&lt;i&gt;criollo&lt;/i&gt; elites in most of these countries have always managed to make their own enrichment and aggrandizement the effective law of the land, and the needs of the majority populations (&lt;i&gt;indigenos, gauchos, mestizos,&lt;/i&gt; etc.) have been placed on the back burner, if on the stove at all.  Most importantly to this thread, though, the U.S. has always-- &lt;b&gt;always&lt;/b&gt;-- supported the brutal right-wing dictatorships that have maintained (or restored) the colonial status quo.  This support has usually included covert and indirect aid, such as the training and arming of secret police, death squads, etc.; it has also included (especially in the earlier days, and in the recent cases of Panama and Nicaragua) direct military intervention.

The neoliberal policies of the IMF, WTO, and World Bank are just organized, official methods for the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe to continue the economic exploitation of poorer Latin American countries.  The same old structure exists: the wealthy elite getting their cut, and most of the rest struggling for survival.  &lt;i&gt;This&lt;/i&gt; is what these Latin American populations are turning away from.  They&#039;ve been trying for years, but Clinton seemed not so willing to call out the dogs of war in response to the rising success of these popular movements.

As evidence by their clumsy support for the bungled coup attempt (and subsequent recall referendum) in Venezuela in 2002, the Bushies appear willing to play the old Reaganite games, but they lack the resources and political capital.  You can convince the slack-jawed mouthbreathers in our own electorate that Chávez is a dangerous, anti-democratic commie, but the rest of the world sees that the biggest danger to world peace and stability is the nation that launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq, continues its support for oppressive regimes in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.), and never met an internationally beneficial treaty that it couldn&#039;t reject (Kyoto, World thingie on Racism, International Criminal Court, etc.).

I&#039;m sure the Bushies are still trying to play the old Reaganite games; huge chunks of our tax dollars are still pouring into Plan Colombia, for example.  However, it appears that the big old coyote has lost some of its bite.  It appears, and I certainly hope it keeps up, that much of Latin America is finally in a position to wipe its collective &lt;i&gt;ass&lt;/i&gt; on the Monroe Doctrine.  If the U.S. is going to remain a leader in the western hemisphere, then it should lead benevolently and by positive example, not with the violence, subterfuge, oppression, and hypocrisy that typified its own growth spurts.
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<i>the Latin American Left Turn was in response to Clinton, and then Bush after he continued Clinton s neo-liberal policies. I m not sure if Iraq had anything to do with it. In fact, Latin Americans (especially conservatives) have complained that the US has ignored them because of Middle East tunnel vision. Thus, Leftists are able to take advantage while Bush is distracted in Iraq.</i></p>
<p>You have to understand that most of Latin America has been trying to make this &#8216;left turn&#8217; for centuries. Unfortunately, (or fortunately, if you&#8217;re an imperialist/elitist/fascist) the wealthy<i>criollo</i> elites in most of these countries have always managed to make their own enrichment and aggrandizement the effective law of the land, and the needs of the majority populations (<i>indigenos, gauchos, mestizos,</i> etc.) have been placed on the back burner, if on the stove at all.  Most importantly to this thread, though, the U.S. has always&#8211; <b>always</b>&#8211; supported the brutal right-wing dictatorships that have maintained (or restored) the colonial status quo.  This support has usually included covert and indirect aid, such as the training and arming of secret police, death squads, etc.; it has also included (especially in the earlier days, and in the recent cases of Panama and Nicaragua) direct military intervention.</p>
<p>The neoliberal policies of the IMF, WTO, and World Bank are just organized, official methods for the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe to continue the economic exploitation of poorer Latin American countries.  The same old structure exists: the wealthy elite getting their cut, and most of the rest struggling for survival.  <i>This</i> is what these Latin American populations are turning away from.  They&#8217;ve been trying for years, but Clinton seemed not so willing to call out the dogs of war in response to the rising success of these popular movements.</p>
<p>As evidence by their clumsy support for the bungled coup attempt (and subsequent recall referendum) in Venezuela in 2002, the Bushies appear willing to play the old Reaganite games, but they lack the resources and political capital.  You can convince the slack-jawed mouthbreathers in our own electorate that Chávez is a dangerous, anti-democratic commie, but the rest of the world sees that the biggest danger to world peace and stability is the nation that launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq, continues its support for oppressive regimes in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.), and never met an internationally beneficial treaty that it couldn&#8217;t reject (Kyoto, World thingie on Racism, International Criminal Court, etc.).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the Bushies are still trying to play the old Reaganite games; huge chunks of our tax dollars are still pouring into Plan Colombia, for example.  However, it appears that the big old coyote has lost some of its bite.  It appears, and I certainly hope it keeps up, that much of Latin America is finally in a position to wipe its collective <i>ass</i> on the Monroe Doctrine.  If the U.S. is going to remain a leader in the western hemisphere, then it should lead benevolently and by positive example, not with the violence, subterfuge, oppression, and hypocrisy that typified its own growth spurts.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexCorrigan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I get it.  You&#039;re not really a stupid shit, you&#039;re just playing one because you want to see what combinations of well-deserved insults I&#039;m going to hurl your way.

See, I figured that out because no living human being (notice I didn&#039;t qualify that with a phrase like &quot;...except a Freeper troll&quot;, because Freepers aren&#039;t human) could have so much dog feces between his ears that he&#039;d actually keep repeating this non sequitur--

&lt;i&gt;blame it on the president.&lt;/i&gt;

--as though it were some sort of clever &quot;gotcha&quot; line.

Ha ha!  What a dandy &lt;i&gt;bon mot&lt;/i&gt;.  Now run along and play, and let us grownups discuss the other children in the White House.
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<p>See, I figured that out because no living human being (notice I didn&#8217;t qualify that with a phrase like &#8220;&#8230;except a Freeper troll&#8221;, because Freepers aren&#8217;t human) could have so much dog feces between his ears that he&#8217;d actually keep repeating this non sequitur&#8211;</p>
<p><i>blame it on the president.</i></p>
<p>&#8211;as though it were some sort of clever &#8220;gotcha&#8221; line.</p>
<p>Ha ha!  What a dandy <i>bon mot</i>.  Now run along and play, and let us grownups discuss the other children in the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t understand what these left-wing governments are going to do once in power. If they have resources, the world will still do business with them, and their socialistic reform programs may yet work out. Chavez&#039; Venezuela may be filled with political turmoil and heavyhandedness, but it doesn&#039;t appear to have become economically backward a la Cuba as a result of Chavez&#039; rule. Once the general strike dissipated in 2002 the Venezuelan economy went back to work again, supplying the Western Hemisphere with tons of oil. But what about Bolivia? That country has no resources (other than coca).

Also, the Latin American Left Turn was in response to Clinton, and then Bush after he continued Clinton&#039;s neo-liberal policies. I&#039;m not sure if Iraq had anything to do with it. In fact, Latin Americans (especially conservatives) have complained that the US has ignored them because of Middle East tunnel vision. Thus, Leftists are able to take advantage while Bush is distracted in Iraq.
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<p>Also, the Latin American Left Turn was in response to Clinton, and then Bush after he continued Clinton&#8217;s neo-liberal policies. I&#8217;m not sure if Iraq had anything to do with it. In fact, Latin Americans (especially conservatives) have complained that the US has ignored them because of Middle East tunnel vision. Thus, Leftists are able to take advantage while Bush is distracted in Iraq.</p>
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