I was looking at this post. sorry about that. But I think all and all the three of us are somewhat on the same page.

Ford really doesn t care who its drivers sleep with, so long as they continue to buy and drive. To have any other agenda in business is utter stupidity.

If Ford didn’t care, then they shouldn’t have pulled the ads to begin under pressure from the AFA. In regards to making money being the only agenda, that was MY point – not Frank’s.

Just for the record Dobson, Robertson and Falwell have nothing to with the AFA.

Riiight. Don Wildmon doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with his fellow Christian conservatives. They’re all cut from the same cloth and you know it.

Or maybe you really aren’t feigning that ignorance…

Just for the record Dobson, Robertson and Falwell have nothing to with the AFA.

So, if it gives you a woody, I’m feigning ignorance.

My point was that, in my mind, homosexuals are not special class of people who should go running to Ford, hollering  put ads in our publications.

You’re making a point that doesn’t exist. Homosexuals did not beat down Ford’s door to solicit advertising. Ford had already decided to place ads in homosexual publications and then had their doors beat down by Christian conservatives enraged that Ford would try to market to a special interest group – which MOST publications are whether they be black, dog lovers, technophiles, etc.

If this AFA, whoever the hell they are, wants to boycott Ford, so what?

Yes, I’m sure you have no clue who Dobson is…or Robertson or Falwell…Anyway, they can boycott whoever the hell they want. It was a mistake for Ford to cave in to their demands. Period.

But to frame it in  Christian right vs homosexuals conflict is downright stupid.

LOL. What is stupid is to pretend that this isn’t exactly what this little brouhaha is all about.

I have to ask, are you feigning ignorance, or are you just ignorant on this topic? Because you seem to not have the first clue what this entire thing is all about.

John S.: That s almost a response, and you didn t call me a name. Quite an improvement.

You’re so full of shit. You’ve been calling me an asshole for days now, all the while not responding to my responses. But pretend that somehow you are above the fray.

Anyway, who even knows what you are babbling about now. Ford is a corporation. They exist to make money. Their mission isn’t to make a political statement or exude a certain type of moral perspective. Marketing to homosexuals doesn’t mean they lack morals or ethics – at least business ethics, which is really the only applicable kind here. Caving in to the demands of religious groups does show a lack of those ethics.

I suppose you style yourself a “Christian”. Well I got news for you pal. If the good Samaritan had stopped to help a homosexual on the road, people like you would be screaming at him to let the faggot die. That is not the way of Jesus or of a true follower of Christ. So spare me the lecture on morals and ethics, because contrary to what you think those words mean, your opinion here expresses neither.

And if you don’t like Ford selling cars to homosexuals, don’t drive a Ford. As a consumer, that is your only valid recourse.

I was following your logic:

… this is about a corporation caving into the demands of a religious group because of moral viewpoints… but at least for now, Ford has decided not to follow that lead.

No morals, no ethics.

So, Ford has abandoned religious values. Yay! Think about that when you re driving in a 2006 Fairlane, and it explodes into flames because of the unethical non – religious standards of  quality they re using.

Whee! Isn t being a pagan fun?

You cannot possibly be serious, can you?

Whee! Isn’t being a pagan fun?

For those that choose to take of the partisan blinders, this is about a corporation caving into the demands of a religious group because of moral viewpoints. Perhaps our government is content to be strong-armed by religious hacks, but at least for now, Ford has decided not to follow that lead.

People are beginning to realize that the AFA, the entire fundy right-wing, and the political party they’ve put in power are on the wane.

Not only does the emperor have no clothes, he’s also got a tiny dick.

So much for assuming positive intent, just treat people who’ve supported you like liars until you can crow they’ve caved; assume the AFA is being truthful, they always are, right?

That’ll get companies like Ford to do more than the minimum for you in the future; because this wouldn’t have been an issue if Ford hadn’t been your friend in the past.

In case you’ve noticed, advertising revenue fuels, well, just about everything in America. It’s unfortunate but it’s the reality.

Gay magazines, just like all magazines, rely heavily on advertising revenue to survive. Large, 12-month contract, back-cover advertisers in these books are more like “sponsors” than anything else. They pay salaries. They pay rent.

Ford’s yanking their ads might really be a serious problem; especially so if other large corporate advertisers followed suit. Glad they decided to jump back in.