It sort of scares me that George Clooney gets it better than a lot of Democrats.
As for the future, he plainly relishes his new status as Hollywood s leading liberal: Yes, I m a liberal and I m sick of it being a bad word.
I don t know at what time in history liberals have stood on the wrong side of social issues. We thought that blacks should sit at the front of the bus, that women should be allowed to vote, that maybe McCarthy was a jerk, that Vietnam was wrong and strip-bombing Cambodia was probably stupid. We ve been on the right side of all these issues.
Well, gee, he IS a Democrat.
When the word liberal ever a bad word in Hollywood ?
Do you think liberal is a bad word, JD? Do you think it’s wrong to be liberal?
frameone : I do not think it is a bad word. And I do not think it is wrong to be a liberal any more than I think it is right to be a conservative.
Shorter Dugger:
Liberal becomes synonymous with traitor when they are critics of fucked up Republican war policies.
Let me help. I have a long memory. Liberal starting becoming a bad word in the late sixties, early ’70s as ultra, leftists took over the Democratic party. Untill then, liberal had meant people like Hubert Humphrey, Mike Mansfield etc. As time passed and the Mc Governites took over the party liberal became increasingly identified with anti-Americanism – anti police, anti military and pro- American enemies. Jane Fonda and the young immediate post war, semi traitorous John Kerry were (and are) ‘liberals’. Then libertalism was associated with the miserable failures of maybe thew worst presdient in history – my fellow Georgian J Carter (ask your dad what the misery index was). Liberalism briefly rebounded under Bubba and his Dick Morris inspired triangulation theory. The comeback on SIsta Solujah and the signing of the welfare bill is evidence. Now, however, Bush hate and anti war ffrenzy, have once again empowered the radicalsa dn instead of the Clintons, the face of liberalism is Hward ‘we can’t win’ Dean.
Dugger, If this keeps up, I’m retracting my prediction of a Dem Pres in 2008
Dugger is absolutely right. But there are a few details missing. In 1970, or thereabouts, it became the practice of ritzy New Yorkers to throw cocktail parties as fund raisers for organizations like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen. Because they travelled to and fro in limousines both literally and figuratively out of touch with Joe Six – Pack, they were christened by State Assemblyman Vito Battista as “Limousine Liberals”. It wasn’t long after that that politicians began denying they were libeals.
Sincerely,
mr.Curmudgeon
- Liberal.
- Proud.
- Never been *in* a limousine.
- Has been in an Auto Workers Union.
“Because they travelled to and fro in limousines both literally and figuratively out of touch with Joe Six – Pack…”
Totally unlike our current work-a-day, blue-collar conservative, brush-clearin’ President and his ultra-humble Republican Party.
I mean, just the other day Condi put in for overtime at the office and was denied! How is she ever going to pay off those $3000 shoes she bought while New Orleans was drowning?
It’s no coincidence that Cloonley left out the most important international conflict of the last 50 years – the cold war. I wonder if he thinks his liberal heroes were on the right side of that one.
What, like Kennedy? Or do you mean Truman? Which heroes you talkin’ about?
Damek,
Do you want some liberal names/’heros’ on the wrong side during the cold war? Alger Hiss maybe. I F Stone. Dashiell Hammett. Lillian Hellman. Harry Dexter White. Lawrence Duggan. There’s a lot more. You may have aske the wrong question.
Dugger “It is no defence whatever for an intellectual to say that he was duped, since that is what, as an intellectual, he should never allow to happen to him.”
Hey Frank, the Amazing Kreskin called: He wants you to stop impersonating him.
Oliver, it sort of scares me that you value anything that pampered multimillionaire says about anything.
“For a few weeks in 2003″, indeed.
curnudgeon, I sincerely doubt you’ve never been in a limousine. Be that as it may, I was merely describing how Limousine Liberals got their name. I really don’t care what you think of it.
Whoa, heavy duty, John S.! A real zinger!
Henny Youngman called: He wants you to stop impersonating him
dugger1 wrote:
I have a long memory.
Jeez, dugger, a long memory is useless if you never had a frickin clue in the first place. All that bullshit you spouted is just Nixonian propaganda rehashed and warmed over. John Kerry and Jane Fonda were right about Vietnam. That’s why Nixon hired professional character assassins to publicly smear them, and that’s why you miserable old hawks still hype that old baby-killer, spit-on-the-vet insult myth. Like your mental master, Nixon, you can’t stomach that you threw your lot in with naked, racist imperialism in Vietnam and– guess what?– the assholes lost this time.
This continuing effort to hide behind vets and the dead soldiers is as pathetic now as it was in the 70s. Didn’t you get the memo? Most anti-war activists worked closely with vets (many of whom were anti-war activists themselves), unlike the Rethug government that threw most vets out into the streets without so much as a handshake after bailing out of Saigon.
I gotta hand it to you wingers, though, you did win one thing: you created a whole generation of mental and moral infants who learned their recent history from you. It’s no wonder so many people cheered the Bushies right into the clusterf-ck in Iraq; if they understood how bad Vietnam was, they might have known better now.
Anyway, Frank’s rehashing of another winger myth is also telling. What sort of twisted, infantile mentality would be worried about the Black Panthers and the Weathermen while U.S. soldiers were killing and dying by the thousands in an illegal, unnecessary war half a world away? Talk about getting your priorities all wrong.
If not being that f–king stupid makes me a liberal, then I’m with George Clooney all the way. And I’m also a union man who’s never seen the inside of a limousine.
Hey, Corrigan, how did you drag me into this? What “myth” are you talking about? What are you trying to do? Say something about me in every one of your posts, even if it has nothing to do with anything?
Oliver, it sort of scares me that you value anything that pampered multimillionaire says about anything.
You mean, the way you wrongwingnuts appear to value everything that drops out of Putsch’s pie-hole? Or the way you seem think Cheney’s a straight shooter?
How about the way Republics keep on tryint to potray Tom Delay as an upstanding, honest individual of the highest integrity?
Pampered millionaires all. Funny how you reich wing types seem to forget all about that, but never fail to mention the wealth of any liberal you have a grudge against. Funny how you are quick to bring out those kind of observations about wealthy liberals, and ascribe selfish or sinister motives to their actions, yet you remain strangely silent about the incalculable wealth (many times greater than that of Mr. Clooney, in case you hadn’t noticed) of the junta currently running this country into the ground, or the possibility that they might not have everyone’s best interests at heart.
“Jeez, dugger, a long memory is useless if you never had a frickin clue in the first place.”
I nominate this for best line on this blog this year.
I sincerely doubt you ve never been in a limousine.
Sorry. Never have been. I exist solely to undermine every preconceived notion, and pre-scripted talking-point, you have about liberals.
I’m blue-collar; from a family of auto workers in Detroit. Don’t like latte’, never wore sandals, can’t stand tyed-dye, instead I love to dress in a suit. Wore a tie throughout highschool.
I, like most conservatives, believe in upward mobility via “boot straps”, but unlike most conservatives, I believe in making sure everyone has “boots” to begin with. That’s what makes me a Liberal!
Corrigan, I consider it an honor that you have insulted me. Anybody who uses Nazi analogies, as you did, describing US Marines is no friend of mine.
“If you understood what Communism was, you would hope and pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist.”
Dugger, 27 years of service and I still think Jane Fonda was a traitor
I don’t remember the Democratic Party being taken over by redical leftists in the 70s, a remember they nominated a war hero, flew day mission in a bomber over Nazi Germany, for President in 1972 against some guy who spent World War II at Fort Dix.
Of course, I’m from the midwest, so maybe I missed something.
I do remember the conservatives funding the murderers of nuns some short time after that. How’s Ollie North doing? I’m sure they vilify him the way they do the war hero George McGovern.
“Hey, Corrigan, how did you drag me into this?”
Always the innocent Frank with the dumb, sad look on his face wondering why everyone is picking on him. What did he ever do, sad little Frank. He just wants to be friends.
Umm, yeah. I’m not sure how that makes any sense whatsoever, but then again, neither do the majority of your posts.
If you don’t want be compared to Kreskin, then stop reading people’s minds.
16:
Please spare us the revisionism. Using the tortured logic of the anti-vietnam war left, however made George McGovern a war criminal and baby killer. Where do you think the bombs from all those daylight raids fell? Maybe the bombs from his planes only hit military targets and didn’t kill any civilians?
frameone, are you Corrigan’s advocate or my appointed harraser? Let me run it down for you, since you seem to have missed a beat: Corrigan’s comment included this: “Anyway, Frank s rehashing of another winger myth is also telling.” My question was: “What ‘myth’ are you talking about?”
You seem to be representing Corrigan. Perhaps you could answer the question, since he hasn’t.
John S.: My comment made at least as much sense as yours. Your simple – minded comment reminded me of the lame – assed jokes Henny Youngman used to tell. And I wasn’t reading minds — I was expressing doubt.
If ‘16′ is your age that would explain a lot. Ollie North was a war hero. Hopefully you are agreeing with everything he says, lest you be challenging his patriotism. And they had newspapers and TV in the midwest; unless you meant the midwest of Mongolia.
Dugger, Proud to have voted for Nixon over McGovern – would do it again in a heartbeat.
Oliver, it sort of scares me that you value anything that pampered multimillionaire says about anything.
Ditto.
And anyone who’s proud to vote for Nixon needs to take their meds.
Frank-
Speaking of simple-minded, why would you doubt mr.curmudgeon stating he rode in a limo?
Because he’s a dirty librul? Because he doesn’t conform to your generalization of how Democrats?
Nothing more lame and simple-minded than doubting someone’s veracity based on their political affiliation.
So much for the ’sense’ of your posts.
stating he rode in a limo = stating he never rode in a limo
come on John, admit it, I ride in a limo everyday and so do you. I like how you get extra points for running over downtrodden Republicans carrying Xmas bundles. I laughed so hard at one today that my latte almost came out my nose.
Anyway, after I fired off a few shots in the “War on Christmas” and burned a flag, I went to Planned Parenthood and killed a few babies, as Barbra Streissand tunes played in the background.
I’m inclined to believe that everyone has ridden in a limo at least once in their lives. Only the village idiot fastcheck was suggesting that people commute in limos.
I would say that the number of people who have never ridden in a limo, is about the same as the number of people who have never flown in an airplane — in other words, not very many.
So, let’s add another “sketch” to Oliver Willis Show: zappa shows up an hour late, and a dollar short.
Zappa: I’m a little unclear about something: Are you referring to this?
“Anyway, Frank s rehashing of another winger myth is also telling”
This is now the second time I’ve asked that question, and no one has answered it. Not you, not frameone, not even Corrigan, and he wrote it.
Let’s, for the sake of argument, assume that that is it, even though no one wants to say so.
I wrote:
Evidence?: Right here
Dudes – so this is got to be the funniest comedy site out there. I know OW does not mean it to be, but this is some silly shit.
Is there an award for Political Comedy Blogs?
It starts the same way – OW makes a comment, Dugger pipes in with something witty about Nixon, someone rips Dugger a new one, he reposts as dugger1 (which is odd…am I the only one that ever wondered WTF is up with that?). Frank_D swoops in with some tid bit of history that is irrelevant and asinine – someone points out he is wrong – he plays dumb (juries out if he is really playing or not), one of his many fans pipes in and the contest begins: Who can get Frank to say “F@CK OFF I hate you meanies” and to run crying from recess first.
Wow, Frank, that’s priceless. You present a link to a Tom Wolfe novel as “evidence,” and then you get smug about it? Why not toss in some Flat Earthers and Holocaust deniers, while you’re at it? It’s no wonder you keep coming around here standing up tall for right-wing global empire. With ‘facts’ like these…
The village idiot speaks again.
Town car or one of those nasty “stretch” jobs?
Corrigan, it wasn’t a novel, you moron, it was an essay. It really happened! You know, like reality TV. As in non – fiction. Get it?
John S. and Quaker: If you believe that riding in a limo is a rare event, or an event reserved only for the rich, then good for you.
The point is that the origin of the name “limousine liberal” came from the notion that these “uptown” (NYC) liberals rode around in limos.
Whether or not anybody else rides around in limos is irrelevant. If it is important for you to make a statement that you have never been in a limo, and I have somehow damaged your psyche by saying that I doubt it, then I humbly apologize. If anyone ever asks me if you ever rode in a limo, I shall say, “Hell, no!”, and beat them about the head and shoulders.
From one of the reviews of Tom Wolfe’s book:
Oh, and Quaker, I’m sorry if I thought just about everybody has ridden in a limo at least once in their lives. Thank you for not accusing me of racism — this time.
I only asked a question: town car or stretch? Where do you wanna go with it?
I leave that to you, Quaker. Based on your history, there’s no limit to your imagination.
Thank you. I think.
However limitless my imagination may be, I still can’t fathom what you’re talking about. There have been several comments posted regarding “limos.” I asked: town car or stretch?
None of your succeeding comments seem to address that question. Is that inadvertant, or do you wish to talk about something else?
A few comments back, I said this:
So your question is irrelevant. In your particular case, I was just making sure that I was not being set up for another false accusation. I have found that I have to pay particular attention to details, because when I post a comment, it will, for lack of a better term, attract more attention than most other posts.
I post a comment, it will, for lack of a better term, attract more attention than most other posts.
That’s just human nature, Frank. Zappa’s right. You’re an easy mark. I can understand you spouting some off-the-wall crap; that’s expected of a winger. However, you then get defensive and stand by your lunacy like a pit bull guarding a piece of rat shit in the middle of a dog biscuit factory. That’s what makes you so irresistable.
By all means, though, if you want to keep up with references to Tom Wolfe ‘essays’ or some other such intellectual manure, well, who am I to stop the fun?
Sorry I am late I was a little short on the entry fee -
Frank – please refer to my “dudes” post to see why your posts attract attention; it is a game – people are trying to get your goat, they do it for sport.
Anyhoo – I like clooney’s movies – I find them to be thrilling and smart. I hope he produces more; I don’t care that he is rich though as it is not him but the system.
Corrigan, you’re the “pit bull” trying to defend your incorrect statement that rich people throwing parties for radicals was “another winger myth.” The fact is, I didn’t have to read Tom Wolfe’s book for two reasons: 1) What these people were doing was in all the papers and newsmagazines at the time; and 2) Tom Wolfe’s book was more than a best seller. It was discussed on TV, and written about all over the place.
You are obviously too young to know that, so, somehow, I become the “pit bull” because I’m not going to let you simply post something untrue, and untrue about me.
So, with that, I will say this: I’m not going to turn around and deny something that I just said is true, because I’ve been insulted by a liberal. And if I have to operate at a disadvantage, because I always have to “prove” everything I say, while you lefties spout all kinds of nonsense without even referring to a human source, let alone a verifiable link, then that’s what I’ll do.
You know why?
I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again: Because you liberals think all of your opinions are “facts”. You think that every thing that pops into your head comes from the Mountaintop, and woebetide anyone who disagrees with you.
Don’t you think I realize that the insults begin when the substance of the argument ends?
Don’t you realize that almost every single one of my insults comes after yours?
Don’t you think I notice that people like you, Corrigan, jump into the thread, like kids playing “pile on.”? “Oooh, looka there, somebody’s after Frank… I’m going in!” Why do you suppose that is, Corrigan? Do you think that I think that it’s my fault?
Do you think I buy a bullshit cop-out like “you re an easy mark… That s what makes you so irresistable”? C’mon. I didn’t just fall off a truck full of pumpkins, junior.
I’m not sure exactly why people like you, John S., Jadegold, frameone, Concordian and, now, a new arrival to the Slime Dwellers’ Club, Quaker, do what you do, but rest assured, you are responsible. It is your choice, and whatever jollies you get from it you’re not going to pin on me.
So, play on, liberal automaton.
So your question is irrelevant.
But, Frank, I wasn’t referring to that comment. If you go back to where I asked the question, you’ll see that I conveniently cut-and-pasted the comment to which the question refers:
To which I replied: town car or one of those nasty “stretch” jobs?
Folks do that so you’ll be able to better understand the question. And, hopefully, post a relevant, coherent response. If you’re able.
Quaker: Save your passive aggressive bullshit for your left wing friends (no pun intended). Here’s your answer, and everybody’s answer:
I spent a short time in my life in the middle class. Except for that brief period of time, I have lived at or below the poverty level.
Even so, I have ridden in limos a few time in my life. Usually for a wedding or a funeral. Therefore, I believe that very few people have never found themselves in a limo in their lifetime.
Once again, you’re just being a wiseass, which I suppose is some sort of payback for your failure to save face in the whole “racism accusation” kerfluffle.
Now, was there something else about limos you wanted to know — like perhaps how much they weigh, or how much mileage they get?
16: Just to set the record straight, Richard Nixon, during World War II, served as a Navy lieutenant commander in the Pacific. (Fort Dix is not in the Pacific)
Just thought I’d clear that up.
Don t you think I realize that the insults begin when the substance of the argument ends?
Frank, the “substance of the argument” usually ends when you start, and it sometimes begins after you’re finished. OW quotes George Clooney, who happens to be a wealthy Hollywood regular, but who also happens to be absolutely on the mark. So what do you do? Bring up some pointless b.s. about some goofballs in Manhattan in the 1970s– written by a right-wing hack– that has nothing to do with what Clooney said. Now you’re accusing others of avoiding ’substance.’
Did you ever stop to think that all that bullshit you were watching on TV back then was just a bunch of hype? Did it ever occur to you that the corporate-owned press might be blowing things out of proportion? I don’t suppose it ever occurred to you that a lot of the negative press anti-war activists (and other progressives) were getting might have partly the result of government misinformation campaigns. Maybe you just latched on to the b.s. because it meshed with your narrow worldview. It’s nice to see that you’ve matured since then.
By the way, Jane Fonda was smeared by Nixon, and you wingers have been stroking off on that myth ever since. That’s a fact. Who knows how much of the other shit you were lapping up was just public misinformation? What with COINTELPRO lurking around back then, we may never know.
So don’t remind me how old you are, or how young I am. If you didn’t have a fucking clue back then, and you haven’t figured it out since, what’s your point? As far as I’m concerned, it was the bulk of your generation that followed assholes like Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon into Vietnam, and you had (and still have) the nerve to denigrate all the decent people who tried like hell to get us out of that ungodly mess. So don’t try and moralize to us ‘liberals,’ because we’re the ones who’ll have to clean up after your mess.
Nice try, Frankie boy. I never said any such thing, though you may infer whatever you wish.
On the other hand. it is you who seems to believe that riding in limos is so thoroughly common (for liberals) that you stop short of calling mr. curmudgeon a liar for stating that he never rode in one. Why? Because he’s a filthy librul.
The only one peddling ridculous notions here is you, despite your attempts to prop up lovely strawmen to share in your chorus of “If I Only Had a Brain”.
Do you really want to re-open that, Frank? Actually, there’s no “face saving” that I need to do. However, I’ll be happy to spank you some more if you ask nicely.
And you still haven’t answered: when you say “limo,” do you mean one of those great big stretch jobs, or are you including ordinary town cars?
I don’t see anything “passive aggressive” about that question, do you?