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		<title>By: cxotafw bkeqnslf</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15305</link>
		<dc:creator>cxotafw bkeqnslf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15304</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my, aren&#039;t we special?

What lie did you catch me in?

I said you picked a bad example -- you did.

Again, what lie did I tell?

Why don&#039;t stop feigning superiority, get off your high horse, and stop trying to attack me with no reason.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my, aren&#8217;t we special?</p>
<p>What lie did you catch me in?</p>
<p>I said you picked a bad example &#8212; you did.</p>
<p>Again, what lie did I tell?</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t stop feigning superiority, get off your high horse, and stop trying to attack me with no reason.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15303</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I&#039;m not going to indulge your mental illnesses anymore.  All you do is insult people here when they catch you in a lie or untruth.  It is unfortunate that you communicate in this way, and I refuse to indulge it anymore.  Get help.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I&#8217;m not going to indulge your mental illnesses anymore.  All you do is insult people here when they catch you in a lie or untruth.  It is unfortunate that you communicate in this way, and I refuse to indulge it anymore.  Get help.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15302</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fastcheck, stop being a clown. The money was donated as a matching pledge by a foundation. That&#039;s like saying the Red Cross is &quot;white.&quot;
That means that it was not given by the dead Weinbergs, because they are, um, dead.
Second, foundations aren&#039;t white -- they are philanthropic organizations.
Third, since it was a matching pledge, BOND had to go out and get $75,000 on their own. That&#039;s hardly having &quot;Fat checks written by white folks.&quot;

You picked a bad example. Keep trying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fastcheck, stop being a clown. The money was donated as a matching pledge by a foundation. That&#8217;s like saying the Red Cross is &#8220;white.&#8221;<br />
That means that it was not given by the dead Weinbergs, because they are, um, dead.<br />
Second, foundations aren&#8217;t white &#8212; they are philanthropic organizations.<br />
Third, since it was a matching pledge, BOND had to go out and get $75,000 on their own. That&#8217;s hardly having &#8220;Fat checks written by white folks.&#8221;</p>
<p>You picked a bad example. Keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15301</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rainlion - Is that pledge accurate the way it was presented here previously?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rainlion &#8211; Is that pledge accurate the way it was presented here previously?</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15300</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, were they white or not?  Are their directors white?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, were they white or not?  Are their directors white?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15299</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boyoboy, is factcheck a misnomer for you!

Harry and Jeanette Weinberg are dead.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Foundation, Inc. is dedicated to assisting the poor, primarily through operating and capital grants to direct service organizations located in Baltimore, Hawaii, Northeastern Pennsylvania, New York, Israel and the Former Soviet Union.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What a stretch!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyoboy, is factcheck a misnomer for you!</p>
<p>Harry and Jeanette Weinberg are dead.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Foundation, Inc. is dedicated to assisting the poor, primarily through operating and capital grants to direct service organizations located in Baltimore, Hawaii, Northeastern Pennsylvania, New York, Israel and the Former Soviet Union.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>What a stretch!</p>
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		<title>By: trevorwells</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The principles of Kwanzaa are really quite simple and read like a right-wing pull yourself up by your bootstraps mantra. Rather than focus on inflammatory rhetoric. Focus on the founder&#039;s website of Kwanzaa for his intentions in creating the holiday.

Kwanzaa consists of seven principles:

Umoja (Unity)
To strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race.

Kujichagulia (Self-Determination)
To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves.

Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility)
To build and maintain our community together and make our brother&#039;s and sister&#039;s problems our problems and to solve them together.

Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics)
To build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together.

Nia (Purpose)
To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.

Kuumba (Creativity)
To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.

Imani (Faith)
To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.

From the official Kwanzaa website of founder Maulana Karenga.

I would submit that if these universal principles of collective responsibility and uplift bother you, You might be what Jeff Foxworthy calls a &quot;redneck.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principles of Kwanzaa are really quite simple and read like a right-wing pull yourself up by your bootstraps mantra. Rather than focus on inflammatory rhetoric. Focus on the founder&#8217;s website of Kwanzaa for his intentions in creating the holiday.</p>
<p>Kwanzaa consists of seven principles:</p>
<p>Umoja (Unity)<br />
To strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race.</p>
<p>Kujichagulia (Self-Determination)<br />
To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves.</p>
<p>Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility)<br />
To build and maintain our community together and make our brother&#8217;s and sister&#8217;s problems our problems and to solve them together.</p>
<p>Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics)<br />
To build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together.</p>
<p>Nia (Purpose)<br />
To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.</p>
<p>Kuumba (Creativity)<br />
To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.</p>
<p>Imani (Faith)<br />
To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.</p>
<p>From the official Kwanzaa website of founder Maulana Karenga.</p>
<p>I would submit that if these universal principles of collective responsibility and uplift bother you, You might be what Jeff Foxworthy calls a &#8220;redneck.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15297</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those appear to be quite racist remarks.  However, they come from a black man, and I have seen it argued repeatedly at other sites that blacks cannot be racist.  Now, I think that position is a pile of cow dung, but it is not an uncommon argument.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those appear to be quite racist remarks.  However, they come from a black man, and I have seen it argued repeatedly at other sites that blacks cannot be racist.  Now, I think that position is a pile of cow dung, but it is not an uncommon argument.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15296</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do cons like Sean Hannity and Dennis Prager, who sit on BOND&#039;s board of advisors, share these repugnant racist views?  What steps have they taken to distance themselves from these comments?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do cons like Sean Hannity and Dennis Prager, who sit on BOND&#8217;s board of advisors, share these repugnant racist views?  What steps have they taken to distance themselves from these comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15295</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rainlion: Since you feel compelled to answer for Oliver -- after all, I asked him how he knew white people were &quot;writing checks&quot; for BOND, not you -- perhaps you might tell me where I can make a &quot;cursory check&quot; of major contributors to Peterson&#039;s organization BOND.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rainlion: Since you feel compelled to answer for Oliver &#8212; after all, I asked him how he knew white people were &#8220;writing checks&#8221; for BOND, not you &#8212; perhaps you might tell me where I can make a &#8220;cursory check&#8221; of major contributors to Peterson&#8217;s organization BOND.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15294</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46440&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.&quot;

Wow.  That is just about the most racist thing I have ever read.
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<p>&#8220;About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  That is just about the most racist thing I have ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: factcheck</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/12/10/black-cons-with-too-much-time-money/#comment-15293</link>
		<dc:creator>factcheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Foundation has offered to match every dollar BOND raises up to $75,000 toward reducing the mortgage debt on our Home for Boys. Our ultimate goal is to completely pay off the mortgage so that we can purchase a second Home for Boys to meet the great demand for this critical program.&quot;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bondinfo.org/donations/building_fund/weinberg/thank_you.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bondinfo.org/donations/building_fund/weinberg/thank_you.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bondinfo.org/donations/building_fund/weinberg/thank_you.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

As you can imagine, the Weinbergs are white.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Foundation has offered to match every dollar BOND raises up to $75,000 toward reducing the mortgage debt on our Home for Boys. Our ultimate goal is to completely pay off the mortgage so that we can purchase a second Home for Boys to meet the great demand for this critical program.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.bondinfo.org/donations/building_fund/weinberg/thank_you.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bondinfo.org/donations/building_fund/weinberg/thank_you.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bondinfo.org/donations/building_fund/weinberg/thank_you.htm</a></p>
<p>As you can imagine, the Weinbergs are white.</p>
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		<title>By: rainlion</title>
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		<dc:creator>rainlion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, briefly... and in no particular order:

Diamond - yes, alot of people do. I and my friends have done it for the last 30+ years. We focus on the positive, practical aspects, the sense of community and love - the marxism, etc. has never been a part of our celebrations. Specifically the pledge (yes everyone, it&#039;s real)

Frank_D - a cursory check of their board of directors, and major contributors to Peterson&#039;s organization BOND, as well as to his other efforts will answer your question.

StWendeler, JayTea, et al - Peterson is a preacher alright... but he preaches hate, mixed with a healthy dose of &quot;send me money&quot;.

ps - the so called &quot;War on Christmas&quot; (which is so ridiculous it doesn&#039;t merit serious consideration) is a fairly recent phenomena. Kwanzaa&#039;s been around way too long to be &quot;part of it&quot;. And no one I know who celebrates kwanzaa includes Karengas marxist leanings... most pick and choose, and create their own meanings and traditions. And yes, it is a nice alternative to the commercialization of the holiday - handmade gifts, etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, briefly&#8230; and in no particular order:</p>
<p>Diamond &#8211; yes, alot of people do. I and my friends have done it for the last 30+ years. We focus on the positive, practical aspects, the sense of community and love &#8211; the marxism, etc. has never been a part of our celebrations. Specifically the pledge (yes everyone, it&#8217;s real)</p>
<p>Frank_D &#8211; a cursory check of their board of directors, and major contributors to Peterson&#8217;s organization BOND, as well as to his other efforts will answer your question.</p>
<p>StWendeler, JayTea, et al &#8211; Peterson is a preacher alright&#8230; but he preaches hate, mixed with a healthy dose of &#8220;send me money&#8221;.</p>
<p>ps &#8211; the so called &#8220;War on Christmas&#8221; (which is so ridiculous it doesn&#8217;t merit serious consideration) is a fairly recent phenomena. Kwanzaa&#8217;s been around way too long to be &#8220;part of it&#8221;. And no one I know who celebrates kwanzaa includes Karengas marxist leanings&#8230; most pick and choose, and create their own meanings and traditions. And yes, it is a nice alternative to the commercialization of the holiday &#8211; handmade gifts, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: (: Tom :)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(: Tom :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We might as well be up in arms about a holiday celebrated on a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse.&lt;/i&gt;

Damn!  There goes my planned celebrations for &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Eccentrica Gallumbits Day&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We might as well be up in arms about a holiday celebrated on a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse.</i></p>
<p>Damn!  There goes my planned celebrations for <b><i>Eccentrica Gallumbits Day</i></b>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jadegold says.

I&#039;ve celebrated Christmas my whole life and even been to my share of Midnight masses but I&#039;m no more a believer in Christ than I was when I was 2. Why would anyone think that celebrating Kwanzaa automatically translates into a militant, white-hating separatism?

Just like the &quot;War on Christmas&quot; galvanizes a fringe population prone to paranoia and fear, so to does the &quot;war on Kwanzaa.&quot; Arguably they are the same population: White Far-Right Christians.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jadegold says.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve celebrated Christmas my whole life and even been to my share of Midnight masses but I&#8217;m no more a believer in Christ than I was when I was 2. Why would anyone think that celebrating Kwanzaa automatically translates into a militant, white-hating separatism?</p>
<p>Just like the &#8220;War on Christmas&#8221; galvanizes a fringe population prone to paranoia and fear, so to does the &#8220;war on Kwanzaa.&#8221; Arguably they are the same population: White Far-Right Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,
I think a bigger concern for black conservatives is how to improve the Republican vote from 11 percent. It&#039;s very hard to find any significant ethnic or religious so unanimously associated with one party. For example, while 88 percent of African Americans voted for Kerry (a guy who did not have the charisma of Bill &quot;First Black President&quot; Clinton), only about 72 percent of self-described white, born again Christians voted for Bush - a partisan ratio more in line with, say, Jews and the Democratic Party. Most black people will agree with Peterson that the Democratic party takes black voters for granted. But that doesn&#039;t mean they are going to vote Republican. Perhaps folks like Rev. Peterson are trying to figure this out, but somehow waging a war on Kwanzaa seems like a strange strategy to create black conservatives and black Republicans.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,<br />
I think a bigger concern for black conservatives is how to improve the Republican vote from 11 percent. It&#8217;s very hard to find any significant ethnic or religious so unanimously associated with one party. For example, while 88 percent of African Americans voted for Kerry (a guy who did not have the charisma of Bill &#8220;First Black President&#8221; Clinton), only about 72 percent of self-described white, born again Christians voted for Bush &#8211; a partisan ratio more in line with, say, Jews and the Democratic Party. Most black people will agree with Peterson that the Democratic party takes black voters for granted. But that doesn&#8217;t mean they are going to vote Republican. Perhaps folks like Rev. Peterson are trying to figure this out, but somehow waging a war on Kwanzaa seems like a strange strategy to create black conservatives and black Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jadegold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jadegold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Doesn t the NAACP receive money from white Democrats? So? &lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely, Frankie. And the NAACP has had whites in positions of leadership since the NAACP&#039;s inception.  There&#039;s a profound difference difference, however.

The NAACP&#039;s leadership has been predominantly black and the black grassroots is a major source of its funding.

Contrast that with the so-called black conservative groups where the leadership is almost exclusively white and the funding comes not from black grassroots but from GOP groups who hold agenda antithetical to the black community.

&lt;i&gt;that BOND shouldn t be concerned about Kwanzaa replacing Christmas?&lt;/i&gt;

Nobody has argued that Kwanzaa replace Xmas. And even if someone did--who cares?  How is it that rightwingnuts aren&#039;t worried about Channukah replacing Xmas? And let&#039;s face it--Xmas is celebrated about a thousand different ways from those who believe it to be nothing but Xmas trees and Santa to those reject Xmas trees and Santa in favor of going to Mass about 30 times.

The fact is that bashing Kwanzaa appeals to white bigots in the GOP; that&#039;s the aim of BOND: to attract white bigot cash.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Doesn t the NAACP receive money from white Democrats? So? </i></p>
<p>Absolutely, Frankie. And the NAACP has had whites in positions of leadership since the NAACP&#8217;s inception.  There&#8217;s a profound difference difference, however.</p>
<p>The NAACP&#8217;s leadership has been predominantly black and the black grassroots is a major source of its funding.</p>
<p>Contrast that with the so-called black conservative groups where the leadership is almost exclusively white and the funding comes not from black grassroots but from GOP groups who hold agenda antithetical to the black community.</p>
<p><i>that BOND shouldn t be concerned about Kwanzaa replacing Christmas?</i></p>
<p>Nobody has argued that Kwanzaa replace Xmas. And even if someone did&#8211;who cares?  How is it that rightwingnuts aren&#8217;t worried about Channukah replacing Xmas? And let&#8217;s face it&#8211;Xmas is celebrated about a thousand different ways from those who believe it to be nothing but Xmas trees and Santa to those reject Xmas trees and Santa in favor of going to Mass about 30 times.</p>
<p>The fact is that bashing Kwanzaa appeals to white bigots in the GOP; that&#8217;s the aim of BOND: to attract white bigot cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they&#039;re just piggy - backing on the &quot;War on Christmas.&quot;

The Kwanzaa page might be saying that they don&#039;t intend to replace Christmas, now, but it seems they were giving that impression a few years ago. Of course, that could have been coming from people who just plain opposed the concept of Kwanzaa, but I don&#039;t think so.

Also, note that the Kwanzaa web page points to &quot;two of the most frequent reasons Christian celebrants of Kwanzaa give for turning to Kwanzaa. The first reason is that it provides them with cultural grounding and reaffirmation as African Americans. The other reason is that &lt;b&gt;it gives them a spiritual alternative to the commercialization of Christmas&lt;/b&gt; [emphasis added] and the resultant move away from its original spiritual values and message.
It does say &quot;turning to Kwanzaa&quot; and &quot;spiritual alternative to the commercialization of Christmas&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they&#8217;re just piggy &#8211; backing on the &#8220;War on Christmas.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Kwanzaa page might be saying that they don&#8217;t intend to replace Christmas, now, but it seems they were giving that impression a few years ago. Of course, that could have been coming from people who just plain opposed the concept of Kwanzaa, but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Also, note that the Kwanzaa web page points to &#8220;two of the most frequent reasons Christian celebrants of Kwanzaa give for turning to Kwanzaa. The first reason is that it provides them with cultural grounding and reaffirmation as African Americans. The other reason is that <b>it gives them a spiritual alternative to the commercialization of Christmas</b> [emphasis added] and the resultant move away from its original spiritual values and message.<br />
It does say &#8220;turning to Kwanzaa&#8221; and &#8220;spiritual alternative to the commercialization of Christmas&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let&#039;s get this straight.  It is alright, and even a moral imperative, for whites to donate to or participate in liberal organizations that work for what they perceive to be the benefit of black people.  However, it is an outright travesty when whites donate to or participate in organizations that do not share the liberal doctrine.  Convenient, that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let&#8217;s get this straight.  It is alright, and even a moral imperative, for whites to donate to or participate in liberal organizations that work for what they perceive to be the benefit of black people.  However, it is an outright travesty when whites donate to or participate in organizations that do not share the liberal doctrine.  Convenient, that.</p>
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