Actually he was a miscreant. He had done enough wrong to be a “miscreant”. That is not mitigated by the contention that he ultimately was not a bomber and may not have likely said he had a bomb. He had already doen a number of wrong things.

AS far as I am concerned, this is a sad event but the air marshall had a split second to decide and make a major life or death decision and I think he made the right decison and I believe a message has been sent to the Ts.

Dugger, Do liberals want air marshalls who won’t use deadly force?

Exactly.

Ian, please, will you stop? There’s no comparison.

And that’s what this boils down to. Everytime this happens, like the guy who got killed in London, this gleeful, gloating ensues even well beyond the point when we learn that the person who was killed wasn’t a terrorist or even much of a real threat. But to some of you it doesn’t matter if they guy wasn’t a terrorist. He’s dead so we’re safe. How sad. None of this means that the air marshalls were at fault or did anything they shouldn’t have done. But neither does it mean that were any safer because an innocent man is dead. Shit, you know what message that really sends to the terrorists, Dugger? It tells them that their tactics work: All they needed was one massive, tragic attack and we’ll be killing ourselves for years to come — and applauding when we do ti. Fantastic.

Turns out the fellow wasn’t a miscreant. Turns out the conservatives could care less, so long as someone is dead they’re feelin’ safe.

We don’t know what happened, his wife claims she told them he was not taking his meds. Maybe she did. Maybe she didn’t.

I know the story keeps changing, He was on the tarmac, no in the jetway.

He claimed to have a bomb on the plane, no it was in the jetway where, conveniently (whether true or not) we can only go with the word of the person or persons who killed him.

What we know is a non-miscreant is dead, and that has woodies sprouting all over wingnuttia.

Ya, on the wrong point.

OTOH, we do have a number of passengers who claim not to have heard the victim say or yell anything about a bomb.

Again, this issue shouldn’t be a left or right thing; however, whenever the rightwing hears ‘terrorism,’ they instinctively excuse any behavior no matter how bad. Whisper ‘terrorism’ and they’re willing to give up civil rights, support torture, and support the wanton killing of mentally-challenged people.

On a side note, who was for the killing of Terri Schiavo, a mentally-challenged person?

But, Ian, that isn’t what you said. You said this:

“Only the Republicans agree with the actions of the AMs or atleast give them the benefit of the doubt.”

That’s totally different from whether or not this incident indicates that we are safer in the air.

You’ve got to be pretty desperate to make a point when you’re reduced to to misquoting yourself.

Because the only ‘fact’ in dispute right now is whether or not Alpizar yelled that he had a bomb or not.

Remember, he put the FAM in the position to, unfortunately, do what they did.

Whether or not you have a bomb, if you’re acting irrationally, you have any kind of a fannypack/backpack, and you fail to obey orders from a law enforcement official to stop, you’re pretty much leaving your life in their hands.

Also, the fact Alpizar didn’t take his meds didn’t help his situation, either.

Funny how Jadegold also left that fact out.

That  ? to me symbolizes you questioning the decision. Gee I don t know where I got the idea you were questioning something &

I’ll tell you where you got it. You made it up.

Perhaps you’re right .. I’ll correct that and say extreme left-wingers.

frameone says:

Wrong again Ian. Only Republicans, or conservatives, at least, seem to take this incident as evidence that airport security is working to keep us safe.

That’s what I said …

Quaker says:

An unarmed, mentally ill man is mistaken for a terrorist and shot dead in front of his wife?

Excuse me if I don t see cause to  feel better.

That “?” to me symbolizes you questioning the decision. Gee I don’t know where I got the idea you were questioning something …