’)“Captain QueegEd” and the other idiots on the right are trying to raise a ruckus over what John Kerry said on Face The Nation:
KERRY: You’ve got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis. And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not…
SCHIEFFER: Yeah.
Sen. KERRY: …Iraqis should be doing that. And after all of these two and a half years, with all of the talk of 210,000 people trained, there just is no excuse for not transferring more of that authority.
Lemme see. A bunch of soldiers busts into your house in the middle of the night, barking orders in a foreign language and carrying gigantic guns. No, no reason for a kid to feel terrorized, terrified or petrified there! God, such idiots.
The point was, Kerry hates what America is doing there and therefore bashes the troops. I guess your point Oliver is — oh there just troops, who cares if we say stuff that may or not be true, because you know there isn’t any factual evidence behind this.
Ian-
It isn’t troop bashing to state reality. You are a buffoon if you think that our military hasn’t raided any Iraqi’s homes in the middle of the night and subsequently scared the shit out of any little kids (and adults) that may be living there. However, it doesn’t exactly constitute a ‘war crime’ or some heinous act.
Kerry says it’s no problem terrorizing Iraqis so long as its not Americans doing it… I finally agree with the long faced frenchman.
If we weren’t going into Iraqi homes to root out insurgents that would be stupid. Quit being so dumb on purpose.
First of all, M’sieu Kerry doesn’t have to describe it like it’s SOP, and happens every day.
Second of all, maybe that’s what he and his men were doing on the shores of the Mekong, when he spent 120 days playing Genghis Khan, but that’s not how it’s done now.
pgg2: The kid could have easily been spared the trauma if his family here had done the right thing and return Elian to his father, and not been hijacked by the radical Cuban community in Miami.
I was watching yesterday to see it “in context”. Sen. Kerry said quite a few things I disagree with, but in this instance, you guys are just making sh*t up as usual.
Brandon: exactly what’s the misinterpretation when a congressman who’s running for the presidency on an “I hate Mexicans” platform calls for racial purity?
“chickenhawk”, isn’t that word old now?
“Lemme see. A bunch of soldiers busts into your house in the middle of the night, barking orders in a foreign language and carrying gigantic guns. No, no reason for a kid to feel terrorized, terrified or petrified there!”
Am I the only person for whom this patent idiocy invokes images of Janet Reno, Bill Clinton and Elian Gonzalez?
Idiots, indeed! Thanks for clearing that up, Oliver.
chickenhawk , isn t that word old now?
Nope, Ian. So long as there are those who talk about supporting the troops and supporting this war while saying they don’t want to serve–there’ll always be chickenhawks.
I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to say Kerry was calling the troops terrorists. I do think he should have chosen his words a little more carefully.
Although in light of this recent post, I find it funny that Oliver, of all people, is expressing faux outrage over something Captain Ed extrapolated from a John Kerry quote.
Afterall, he does it all the time when Republicans say things that could easily be misinterpreted.
Oliver you need to hear this in context .. he makes it sound like our troops are some type of thugs that can do anything they want at anytime they want without the fear of punishment.
Who cares what Cap’n Cubicle thinks? He’s just another chickenhawk.
Actually, our troops do search Iraqi homes every day, Frankie. It is SOP. They’re searching for weapons–not too unusual as most Iraqi households do have firearms–and suspected insurgents.
So long as there are those who talk about supporting the troops and supporting this war while saying they don t want to serve there ll always be chickenhawks.
I guess Oliver’s a chickenhawk. After all, he supports the military effort in Afghanistan.
And then they sent Elian Gonzalez home to his Daddy!
Ian–who cares what your family did or didn’t do in WWII? It was another time, another war.
I’m a vet. Most of my immediate family are vets.
Try and focus on the present day. You can sign up or you can be branded a chickenhawk. Your choice.
I suspect your choice will be that’s it’s too inconvenient for you to serve your country. You have frat parties and keggers to attend; better that others sacrifice for your political agenda.
Jadegold I doubt that any of your immediate family server in WWII. I come from a family with a large WWII background — I don’t need to be called a chickenhawk, especially from liberal slime like yourself.
Oliver — he made the troops sound like the people they were searching for, terrorists. Case and point.
“I come from a family with a large WWII background I don t need to be called a chickenhawk, especially from liberal slime like yourself.”
Gawd what a chickenhawk thing to say.
Terrorize is a very strong word to apply to US soldiers doing their jobs, whether he chose it on purpose or it just slipped out, but that doesn’t mean he hates the military or thinks that American soldiers are terrorists. Not by a long shot. Door-to-door searches have, by their very invasive nature, a disruptive and destabilizng effect on a neighborhood. Th every act of searching a home at gunpoint at night no matter who’s doing it for what reason is terrifying. For that reason, it is indeed a job that Iraqis should be doing if for no other reason than the fact that they speak the language, they also obviously know the customs and culture better. It’s the difference between doing this thing the dumb way and doing it the smart way. If there was a time when the US had to do these searches because there were no Iraqi troops to do it, why has that time not yet come and gone? It’s been two years. We haven’t been able to train and equip enough Iraqi troops and police to do this yet? It’s unebelievable.
Lemme see. A bunch of soldiers busts into your house in the middle of the night, barking orders in a foreign language and carrying gigantic guns. No, no reason for a kid to feel terrorized, terrified or petrified there! God, such idiots.
I suppose that would be scary, however, if my Dad was a terrorist who was stashing weapons in the house and otherwise waging a war on not only the occupation force, but other civilians I more than likely expect it…..depending on my age.
I did not see the interview, or hear any exceprts from it so I can’t really speak to whether or not it was “troop bashing”. Undoubtedly some innocent people have been detained/searched, but I am willing to bet that the majority have not been searched without cause.
So, every family in Iraq that has been traumatized by this war brought it upon themselves becasue they loved Saddam, hated Democracy and harbored al-Quaeda terrorists?
Seriously, do you think before you write this shit down, or do you just spit out whatever nonsense pops into your head?
“The kid could have easily been spared the trauma if his family here had done the right thing and return Elian to his father, and not been hijacked by the radical Cuban community in Miami. ”
What’s your point?
These Iraqi children could have easily been spared the trauma if their families had done the right thing and embrace their newfound freedom from the tyranny of Saddam, and not associated with Al Qaeda terrorists.
I thought spitting out whatever nonsense pops into my head was the standard by which this site normally operates – and clearly your response also fits neatly into the model.
randy Says:
December 5th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
Kerry says it s no problem terrorizing Iraqis so long as its not Americans doing it& I finally agree with the long faced frenchman.
I agree with him too. Guess that makes me as French as you appear to be. and my inner frenchman tells me that Reagan and Rumsfeld didn’t mind much that Saddam terrorized Iraqis in the 1980s either. Those brown-skinned people undoubtedly bring it on themselves.
Gawd what a chickenhawk thing to say.
I’ll ask you since JG wussed out. Is Oliver a chickenhawk for supporting the invasion of Aghanistan? It’s obvious that he didn’t sign up.
That seems to be the standard. If you support any military action, you either enlist to fight in it or you are a chickenhawk.
Well?
Jay C, I think you might be on to something here. OW seems to be all about killing terrorists where they actually are. And they are in Afganistan along with the US millitary. So what about it OW, you ready to sign up for a tour or two in the ‘Stan? Or is the work of Media Matters much more important.
Jadegold: Do our troops “break into homes in the dead of night” as SOP? Where did you get that? From your “inside sources” at the Pentagon? Was it Benjamin Bratt or Dennis Hopper?
Here’s another choice: You can do something besides signing up, and when some asshat labels you a chickenhawk, you can tell them to go f*c* themselves.
“Terrorize is a very strong word to apply to US soldiers doing their jobs, whether he chose it on purpose or it just slipped out, but that doesn t mean he hates the military or thinks that American soldiers are terrorists.”
Well put, frame
Dugger
I’m just looking for some consistency. They love to bust out the ‘chickenhawk’ and ‘101st keyboarders’ nonsense when it comes to Iraq. They forget however, that many of them support the efforts in Afghanistan and want to deploy troops elsewhere.
If that’s the case, and they haven’t served or haven’t signed up to serve then they must be chickenhawks. Right Frameone? Right JG?
And I think the whole point of the complaint is the use of the word “terrorize”, which does come with some rather loaded meanings, as if our guys were executing these raids just for shits and giggles, or its part of the strategy. If soldiers are raiding the homes of suspected terrorists, well, thats their goal, to catch some rather dangerous folks and to stay alive in the process. And I’m sure thats rather frightening to say the least for all involved, including our guys. But lets get real here for a moment. Our troops are terrifying (which would have been a much better choice of words) the children of suspected terrorists, the same terrorists who are actively blowing up the children of peaceful citizens. In this case, I’ll side with the troops and say Kerry is an ass.
“Brandon: exactly what s the misinterpretation when a congressman who s running for the presidency on an I hate Mexicans platform calls for racial purity?”
Where did Tancredo say he hates Mexicans? Last I checked, he’s simply against illegal immigration. And forgive me if I don’t find that stance the least bit racist.
Also, did you support any of Clinton’s military operations, Oliver?
If so, why didn’t you enlist in the military to be a part of them?
Out here in Denver, Tancredo has been hassling the mayor because our public library purchases Spanish-language materials and likes to hire bilingual librarians.
We don’t see many folks from Madrid.
Jadegold: Do our troops break into homes in the dead of night as SOP?
Yes, Frankie. Sometimes they raid homes during daylight hours but that’s not as common.
Jademold: This is undoubtedly info you’ve received direct from CENTCOM?
If you don’t sound like a barroom bullshitter, no one does…
Jademold: So far, you’ve said twice that soldiers most often are “going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children”. Aside from the traitorous M’sieu Kerry, do you think that you could support that ridiculous quote from a DoD source, maybe one of your confidants from the “E – Ring”?
Don’t know if it’s SOP. Don’t know about “dead of night” either, though I’m very confident it does happen.
But I do know that raids happen, and Iraqis terrorised. Looks just like COPS. And I’ve seen the footage of it. You wouldn’t, however, because it was in a Michael Moore film (Farenheit 911).
I saw one of Mr. Moore’s film well over ten years ago, when I knew nothing about him. It was called “Roger and Me.” The film was so obviously fraudulent that I said so to my Professor (we were shown the film in an Industrial Psychology course). He insisted it was true.
I went out and did some research, and discovered that business magazines. and General Motors and magazines about documentary filmmaking were all in agreement — the film was fraudulent, editing was designed to portray misinformation, and important facts were left out of the film.
Just like Bowling for Columbine and Farenheit 911.
LOL
Business magazines and General Motors dispute the way Moore attacked General Motors and big business in Roger and Me? That’s the fucking newsflash of the millennium.
For an encore, Frank will tell us how the 9/11 Commission follow-up report card on the administration’s lackluster handling of National Security is wrong because the administration disputes it.