Please stop with the  37 – year U.S. Marine veteran nonsense, as if he s some gnarled cigar chewing macho character with a two day growth of beard. Give it a rest.

Why? Does recognition of Mr. Murtha’s service trouble you for some reason?

And his speech ran just over 30-minutes, not 11 seconds, and he laid out exactly the plan of action you seem to think was missing.

As I said, Frank, you should get out more. Getting all your information from right-wing blogs leaves you uninformed.

“Go F— yourselves!”

My point was that it is simplistic and simple minded to say “Get out in 6 months”, I don’t care how many years he spent in the Reserves.

He has spent thiry years in the House on the Democratic side of the aisle, and he wasn’t the only Democrat who did support the war, and doesn’t now. That doesn’t make him a hawkish Dem, in my book.

I’m sure if he were really conservative, Oliver would have written him out of the party as quickly as Joe Lieberman.

What I was asking for (since you didn’t notice, I’ll repeat it) was for a Democrat to recommend some kind of action to be followed by withdrawal — not just withdrawal.

Please stop with the “37 – year U.S. Marine veteran” nonsense, as if he’s some gnarled cigar chewing macho character with a two day growth of beard. Give it a rest.

He’s been in Congress for thirty years: You remember Congress; 100% retirement, 100% free health care for life, over a hundred grand a year in salary, way more than that in perks and junkets. That’s what “Sgt. Fury” has been doing for the last three decades

Privates don’t surrender — officers do.

Don’t forget: George McGovern was a fighter pilot.

I m waiting, but not holding my breath, for the day a Democrat says,  I say we do ______, and then get the hell out.

You really oughta get out more, Frank. That day was today. See the thread above, re: Rep. Murtha. And I invite you to explain how Mr. Murtha, a 37-year U.S. Marine veteran, is part of the “tie-dyed baby boomer base.”

It’s always about Bush providing a timetable for some unnamed reason.

Why do we need a timetable, from a strategic or tactical standpoint?

We only need a timetable so the Democrats can go back to their tie – dyed baby boomer base, and hold up a calendar like a bloody scalp, signifying victory over the Great satan, George Bush.

We can t even tell the Iraqi people that there will come a day when we won t have troops in their country?

“As Iraqi forces stand up, we will stand down.”

Step 1: Invade Iraq
Step 3: We Win!

That’s all the Bush administration has got. Which is why the Republicans had to remove any language from the recent Dem plan that even hinted of a timetable or a goal. We can’t even tell the Iraqi people that there will come a day when we won’t have troops in their country? We can’t ballpark a time when we want that to happen?

Bush keeps saying that if we set a timetable the terrorists will just wait us out. But look who’s missing in that equation: the Iraqis we’re supposedly standing up to take over. If the day we leave is timed to the day the Iraqis are ready to defend themselves, why should it matter if the terrorists have waited us out? And what does “wait us out” mean? Not attack? Wouldn’t it be a good thing if we could get the terrorists to take a few months off? It isn’t like the Iraqis and us have to stop looking for and killing them too, right?

Sounds like that’s what he did:

From the Vice – President’s speech

The sentence before the one you quoted:

What we re hearing now is some politicians contradicting their own statements and making a play for political advantage in the middle of a war.

A few sentences later he said: The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone  but we re not going to sit by and let them rewrite history.

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We can never say enough how much we appreciate them, and how proud they make us. They and their families can be certain: That this cause is right & and the performance of our military has been brave and honorable & and this nation will stand behind our fighting forces with pride and without wavering until the day of victory.

Reid sounds just like a Democrat, OK. I hope you’re not thinking about another Viet Nam encore

Wow, Reid sounds like a proper leader of the Opposition.

(I’m with you Curmudgeon)

Good on ya’ Stormin’ Mormon!