If we re condemned to a Democratic Presidency in 2008,

I thought the Rice administration was supposed to be a sure thing, Frank.

If we’re condemned to a Democratic Presidency in 2008, with the war in Iraq still going on, there will be a hasty withdrawal, and the questions will end.

I scanned the article (no, I didn’t read it thoroughly) and found many hedging phrases, and (not unexpected) editorializing in defense of himself.

Be that as it may, I should think that the “Bush lied” meme and the “Bush administration cooked the intelligence ‘books’” meme, are both closed.

But, they’re not, are they?

I should think that the  Bush lied meme and the  Bush administration cooked the intelligence  books  meme, are both closed.

Only if one builds a straw man from the rhetorical excesses of blog commenters. Yes, if all you want to judge is whether the most outrageous black-and-white claims written in the comments sections of blogs are true, then you can pull the covers back over your head and return to dreamland.

On the other hand, if you’re still curious about how the Office of Special Projects got its start and what information it supplied to the White House, if you want to know how and why our leaders listened to a con man like Ahmed Chalabi (and still do!), if you care whether the President “marketed” an invasion of another country the way Proctor and Gamble markets soap, there are still some questions that need answers.

Following the link Frank provided at the top of this thread, I read through Norman Podhoretz’ defense of the Bush administration. Not trusting Podhoretz to provide accurate context for quoted material, I started Googling them up.

In the process, I found this article in The Atlantic Monthly by former Clinton administration security council staffer (and Iraq hawk) Kenneth Pollack.

It’s interesting reading and included fodder for all sides of the post-war debate.

The link I posted here is from a University of Kansas website that has copied-and-pasted the article. On the Atlantic site, the article is behind the subscriber firewall.

Oliver, on the other hand, is being painfully ambiguous and obtuse.

Somehow these nitwits in the White House think that pointing out that 100, or even 1000 Democrats “supported the war,” excuses the utter incompetence with which this administration has prosecuted said war since it began. Perhaps “distraction” is a better word.

If this sorry and embarrasing excuse for a President could EVER admit he’s made mistakes, perhaps we’d at least acknowledge his ability to learn from them. If he’s feeling self-pity for being “attacked” for lying to us all, it’s his own inept fault.

WMD my ass. What exactly was it about Iraq in post 9/11 America, that made it more dangerous to America than pre 9/11?

JK

Yep, Frank is starting to lose his cool.

#47 in the EIB handbook of right-wing argument tactics:
When they make an analogy that hits close to home, pretend not to understand the analogy and accuse them of changing the subject.

Otherwise, coming out now and saying,  I voted for the Iraq war, but I had my fingers crossed, is worse than the usual run – of – the – mill bullshit we have come to expect from the Democrats.

#26 in the EIB handbook:
No matter how many times it’s been refuted, keep repeating the talking point until even CNN realizes it’s been refuted.

The difference between the people who wanted to go after Hussein, thought he was a threat, thought he was in possession of dangerous weapons, voted for action to be taken against him; and the man who took the action is that the man who took the action wasn’t a “President wannabe” bullshit artist.

Otherwise, coming out now and saying, “I voted for the Iraq war, but I had my fingers crossed,” is worse than the usual run – of – the – mill bullshit we have come to expect from the Democrats.

All the other crap about Koresh and Ruby Ridge is just that — crap.

Way to hit back at those Democrats, Frank_D. Keep hammering those talking points.

Do you not agree that Texas is safer with out David Koresh?

He was a madman armed to the teeth, making his neighbours feel uncomfortable. Good thing we took him out. Diplomacy failed. We gave him 48 hours to get out, and he didn’t! Local law enforcement wasn’t doing their job, so the Coalition of the Willing (FBI, BATF) had to it. He was obviously a clear and present danger.

We wouldn’t want that smoking gun to come in the form of a mushroom cloud, now would we?

Have fun.

The ATF recognised a threat from the Branch Davidians. You saying they were justified in pre-emptively going in to take them out?

I thought so.