Dugger

15,477 wounded(Many with injuries such as lost limbs and sight)

2,057 dead does not include the many who have committed suicide.

15,477 wounded does not include the many who will have mental problems.

We should respect all these men and women.

We owe them we owe them everything.

They fight, kill and die for America.

We owe it to them to make America something worth fighting for.

The infant mortality rate in the US is now the same as in Malaysia.

Blacks in Washington DC have a higher infant death rate than people in the Indian state of Kerala.

Congress has not did anything this year to help the hard working men and women of the nation.

It has mostly passed laws to protect gun companies and the like.

The rich get richer and the poor don’t get a d@# thing is not the American way.

http://www.novus-ordo-seclorum.us/

http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/2005/11/iraq-by-numbers-on-this-veterans-day.html

“After prevailing in Afghanistan, we re failing in Iraq – holding together a powder keg that s now a proven launching ground for terrorism. The right will keep yakking about how there have been no terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, but turns a blind eye to the fact that Al Qaeda is now free to attack us and our allies on multiple continents. If you think that attacking London is a world of difference from hitting New York, L.A., Washington or Chicago  you re delusional.”

First of all, Iraq was involved in terrorism before the war – “now”? Al Qaeda has always been ‘free’ to attack us on multiple continents. Are you seriously claiming that pre-war they weren’t free to attack us? After all, they hit us in NY CIty and Wash DC – pre war.
And certainly there is a huge difference between London and the cities you mentioned. We, our governemnt, is responsible for protecting those cities. The Brits are responsible for London. And post 9-11, London has been somewhat successfully attacked by Ts, while the US has not. Credit to Bush is appropriate.

And I wouldn’t call Afghanistan a failure – period.

Dugger, Calm and Analytical As Always

Let’s remember what our objectives were for invading Afghanistan:

1. Eliminate AQ;
2. Eliminate the regime (Taliban) that supported AQ.

No. 1 hasn’t happened; in fact, AQ is probably stronger now than before 9/11.

No. 2; the Taliban still exists and holds parts of Afghanistan. The rest of Afghanistan is now controlled by warlords who have restarted the heroin biz and have–on occasion–helped AQ.

What’s with this “After prevailing in Afghanistan” crap?

Bush completely blew it in that country, too.

It is based upon an implicit trust in the executive branch.

If there should be a need for ‘trust’ in the President’s judgemental sense and the trustworthiness of his advisors in the future, what do you suppose the reaction is going to be if a true need for a ‘preemptive’ strike against
another country should arise in the future?

The damage these a.) dolts, in the best case scenario, or b.) criminals
have done to this country’s security is beyond any historical precedent.

They have set the war on terrorism back better than Al Qaeda could have accomplished on their own.