Comments on: Shooting Yourself In The Foot http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:59:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ArC http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot/#comment-12558 ArC Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:11:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=900#comment-12558 If their dream is based on cheap gas, on big road subsidies, on externalized pollution... In short, if that dream is an unsustainable dream, I think progressives /should/ encourage people to dream better dreams. If their dream is based on cheap gas, on big road subsidies, on externalized pollution… In short, if that dream is an unsustainable dream, I think progressives /should/ encourage people to dream better dreams.

]]> By: The Concordian http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot/#comment-12557 The Concordian Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:11:11 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=900#comment-12557 Well, it doesn't hepl Bowers cause that he spends so much time conflating the suburbs with gated communities. Well, it doesn’t hepl Bowers cause that he spends so much time conflating the suburbs with gated communities.

]]> By: begoniabuzzkill http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot/#comment-12556 begoniabuzzkill Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:11:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=900#comment-12556 Years of living my in Iran with the Afshar Tribe by the Dasht daLut ...... the only English speaking media I could get my hands on was BBC America (and Radio Moscow via my tiny shortwave radio -- oh, I lied, I do recall RAAADIO MONTI CARLO too ..ack!) ....late one desert night staring up at the thickest of stars I was listening to a "talk show" on the BBC and some one said "When you grow up in the country you can't wait to get to the City and when you are in the City you work your ass off to save enough money to buy a place in the country" ...and then she concluded with "one should never have left in the first place" I will toss this BBC talking head statement that has never left my mind: "that if you truly want world peace, everyone needs to return to the place of their birth." Years of living my in Iran with the Afshar Tribe by the Dasht daLut …… the only English speaking media I could get my hands on was BBC America (and Radio Moscow via my tiny shortwave radio — oh, I lied, I do recall RAAADIO MONTI CARLO too ..ack!)

….late one desert night staring up at the thickest of stars I was listening to a “talk show” on the BBC and some one said

“When you grow up in the country you can’t wait to get to the City and when you are in the City you work your ass off to save enough money to buy a place in the country” …and then she concluded with “one should never have left in the first place”

I will toss this BBC talking head statement that has never left my mind: “that if you truly want world peace, everyone needs to return to the place of their birth.”

]]> By: dubbull http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot/#comment-12555 dubbull Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:11:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=900#comment-12555 Actually, I think OW got it right on... <i>The suburbs, by contrast, are the antithesis of reality.</i> It's a rarity, but I agree with Oliver completely. Actually, I think OW got it right on…

The suburbs, by contrast, are the antithesis of reality.

It’s a rarity, but I agree with Oliver completely.

]]> By: Jadegold http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot/#comment-12554 Jadegold Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:11:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=900#comment-12554 OW: I think you missed both the context and point of Bowers' post. In no way was Bowers denigrating suburban life; he was merely pointing out the very real fact urban and rural denizens face more immediate and challenging situations. This is not to say those in the burbs face no problems or issues--but they're different and tend to be muted. An example--if you're a farmer, a season of bad weather can put your farm on the auction block. And as a farmer, you probably have very limited choices as to where to send your kids to school. In short, you are unlikely to have the mobility a suburbanite might have. OW: I think you missed both the context and point of Bowers’ post.

In no way was Bowers denigrating suburban life; he was merely pointing out the very real fact urban and rural denizens face more immediate and challenging situations.

This is not to say those in the burbs face no problems or issues–but they’re different and tend to be muted.

An example–if you’re a farmer, a season of bad weather can put your farm on the auction block. And as a farmer, you probably have very limited choices as to where to send your kids to school. In short, you are unlikely to have the mobility a suburbanite might have.

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