Comments on: No Coattails. A Drag on the Ticket. Toxic George.

By: Marty

Marty — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:11:39 +0000

Did any of you notice what happened in the rest of the Viginia races? Just a thought.

And you’re all excited that a Democrat won in…New Jersey?! Now that’s funny.

By: Dugger

Dugger — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:11:12 +0000

Farris,

It will get intersting on the D side. The paranoid fringe controls the big money, but really only a ‘reddish’ Democrat can win a national election – something that absolutely drives the tin foilers crazy(er). It may be before your time, but I well remember 1968 and how the flower children/SDSers absolutely went bonkers and were devouring their own kind within the Democratic party. The Deaniacs of that time hated LBJ, HHH and seemingly anybody to the right of Abbie Hoffman. By the time 1972 rolled around, they controlled the party reigns and ran George McGovern. A Nixonian landslide ensued. I see the D party in a similar position today. The likes of Warner or a “moderated” HRC could win the big kahuna, but if the Deaniacs and the likes of MoveOn and Cindy Sheehan continue to hold sway – all bets are off and a Republican landslide is possible.

Dugger

By: goatchowder

goatchowder — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:11:57 +0000

Soros hiding under the bed… hee hee!!

Farris: the who/what/huh wing?

Kos is a gun-owning veteran. Soros is a successful billionaire financier capitalist. Sheehan is a rural military mom. And Fitz is a… Republican.

So where are the radical leftists? I didn’t see Noam Chomsky or Judi Bari on your list.

So, yes, when Democrats hang together, work together, stay committed to principled but realistic positions, and take the Dean approach of fighting every race like we mean it, we win.

By: buma

buma — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:11:29 +0000

It is getting hard to spin this off-year election as anything but a defeat for the Repubs. Dover PA even tossed out their ID Republicans from the school board. The St Paul MN mayor was tossed out mainly because he had endorsed Bush in 2004.

I know, I know, these were all local contests. Keep sayin’ that and please keep believing that, wingers. After all, Bloomberg won, and we know what a conservative he is.

By: Dugger

Dugger — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:11:58 +0000

Hey, lets us (repubs) face it. Kilgore ran a crappy race and Bush fatigue is real. The big winner yesterday was Democrat Mark Warner. He now leapfrogs past about everybody but Hilary and puts rightward pressure upon a national party ever moving leftward. The message: a Democrat running as a moderate, non-paranoid, non-gun control nut, can win for the party in a battleground state.

Dugger, who frequently engages in “idle chatter of a transcendental kind”

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:11:20 +0000

The message: a Democrat running as a moderate, non-paranoid, non-gun control nut, can win for the party in a battleground state.

So the Question of 2006 becomes: Will Democrats actually learn that lesson or will they continue to be beholden to the Kos/Soros/Sheehan/Fitzmas Wing of the Party?

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:11:52 +0000

Not that a mayoral election has as much of an impact as a gubernatorial one.

It does when the city is as big as NYC.

By: mr.curmudgeon

mr.curmudgeon — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:11:47 +0000

I d say George Soros is now pretty toxic, too.

…and he’s hiding under your bed!!!! Boogity-boogity-boogity-BOO!!!!!!

By: StevenB

StevenB — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:11:37 +0000

Bloomberg is an old school, Rockefeller-style social liberal, fiscal conservative; something you trash talkin’ neo-gits will be taking a much closer look at now. He has to be flexible to win in New York, unlike Kansas, where intellectual constipation rules the day. Apparently, the Coulter brigade wants to claim the evisceration of children’s education as a ‘victory’ in their crusade to reduce America to a modern feudalism; I say, you go, girls. Do us the favor. As far as Ohio goes, exactly-exactly- how would the ballot initiatives have allowed the stealing of elections? Not that I expect a coherent answer from a retard. But it would be fun to watch you try. I personally support independent redistricting, regardless of who proposes it; in this way, and only this way, will we have competitive Congressional elections, and a true Republic. Worked wonders in Iowa and Arizona, and we need a Constitutional amendment making it the law of the land. But first, we need representatives who can actually do the job for which they were elected. Show me a Republican Progressive (a la T. Roosevelt), and I’ll vote for him/her, otherwise, it’s up to the Dems. Get used to it, trolls, ’cause the party’s just beginning.

By: frameone

frameone — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:11:17 +0000

Mayoral races also matter when the city is St. Louis and the Dem mayor, who backed Bush in the 04 election, got trounced 69 to 31.

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:11:58 +0000

And I see that Oliver doesn’t have much to say about the Corzine victory in New Jersey (besides the obligatory Howard Dean quote.)

Does this mean that grassroots Dems are quietly trying to distance themselves from mega-millionaire banking kingpins who became super rich during the ’99-’00 stock market bubble?

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:11:41 +0000

It’s also worth noting that the four MoveOn/George Soros-funded ballot initiatives that would have made it very easy for Democrats to steal future Ohio elections were trounced by Ohio voters with 2:1 and 3:1 margins.

I’d say George Soros is now pretty toxic, too.

By: StevenB

StevenB — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:11:59 +0000

Plus, don’t forget Kilgore’s use of the usual Repug tactics, emphatically rejected here at the ballot box, and in the press. If this was truly a “watched” race, then maybe those who were “watching” paid some attention to the blowback from Kilgore’s smears. On the other hand, keep it up, boys. Do us a favor. Ten years, a measly ten years, and the wheels are coming off. That was some run at a new direction, wasn’t it? Guess some people just weren’t meant to run a government. But hey, first you gotta believe that a government is necessary, and has a function other than making your rich friends richer, or burning the flesh off of women and children in a foreign country, or torturing folks who just happen to be of the wrong skin color, or demonizing 50% of the electorate, or poisoning our public discourse, or crippling any sense of cooperative governing (see above), or actually protecting this country from attack (let’s see: 0 for 1, and counting…). Or leaving people to rot, in your own country, in an emergency (earth to Brownie: finesse this, you git). This is just the start, and this one ain’t gonna be no billionaire financed program of deceit, lies, and character destruction. Ya see, ya can’t destroy what ain’t there ta begin with. What’s bred in the bone will out in the flesh.

By: Wilbur

Wilbur — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:11:33 +0000

Good grief. You guys win ONE close election in an off election year, and suddenly you think all is well.

No, all is not well. It won’t be all well until long after we get all the Republicans out of power, especially Turdblossom’s boy toy. Long way to go.

We are, however, enjoying a good night. Keep munchin them sour grapes, Jay.

By: johnnyprogressive

johnnyprogressive — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:11:13 +0000

Well im not sure who else here lives in Jersey, but I do (voted Corzine). And despite being a pretty blue state, the polls showed the race being a lot closer than some here would like to pretend. As for Ferrer, that was a race which was never closely contested- Bloomberg was a pretty popular incumbent and I’d never heard of Ferrer until he won the primary. Not that a mayoral election has as much of an impact as a gubernatorial one. Besides, with liberal Republican like Bloomberg, I’d probably have stayed home if I were a New Yorker.

By: mr.curmudgeon

mr.curmudgeon — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:11:31 +0000

Seems like a lot of things aren’t much of a “big deal” for the GOP and it’s minions.

- Bin Laden = No big deal
- Record nation debt = No big deal
- Record tax cuts for the wealthy = No big deal
- Presidency at lowest approval rating since Nixon = No big deal
- Debacle in Iraq / 2000+ dead soliders = No big deal
- GOP scandals/indictments = No big deal

Leadership sure is hard work! So move over…the GOP’s time is up.

By: buma

buma — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:11:28 +0000

Good points, curmudge.

By: buma

buma — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:11:23 +0000

Kilgore in VA saw his prospects in the race dwindle as Bush hit his current nosedive. He had a pretty good lead early, but it appeared people just needed a decent excuse not to vote republican and Kaine came through on that note.

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 03:11:58 +0000

You mean a race in a state that went GOP pretty handidly, that the national GOP and RGA poured money into and where the President pushed for his guy repeatedly? That race?

By: Jay C

Jay C — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 03:11:57 +0000

Corzine won also. So make that two contested races won.

Please. New Jersey was never a ‘contested’ race. Corzine could have been in a coma and he would have won.

Good grief. You guys win ONE close election in an off election year, and suddenly you think all is well.

When did I hear this before? Oh that’s right. In 2003.