AP: “Libby’s lawyer signals memory defense”
Ronald Reagan, during the Iran-Contra scandal: “I don’t recall”.
Those Republicans and their faulty memories.
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Certainly not when leaking classified national security information for political gain.
Yep. There are no examples of prominent Democrats not remembering facts during legal investigations.
Two times in 25 years looks like a pattern to me.
Kinda resembles those files that were under the vanity table of Wife of the Greatest President Who Ever Lived (No, Really!).
My mother put it to me this way: what is scarier, Raygun lying, or not having any idea what the hell was going on in his own White House and unable to remember basic events? The latter, obviously, since this was the psycho who had his finger on the button.
So we’re left with a corundrum: are these guys lying, or are they so goddamn incompentent and unable to remember basic events? Either way, they should be somewhere other than in the White House.
Yep. The Alzheimers defense. “I cannot recall. I have no memory of that.”
Look at Watergate and Iran-Contra and you can see obfuscation to power is a strategy which works. That strategy turns criminal acts into trivialities and diffuses the public rancor.
In order for it to work, though, there has to be a gnarly, and decayed sense of wrong and right. It’s like the blood-oath of organized crime. The same demented personal perogatives of an Ollie North and G. Gordon Liddy may be at work here. Let’s hope Bush 43 has enoough remaining conscience that he lets Fitz do his work.
And I shoud append to my post above the obvious conclusion that each one of those examples is far, far worse than the charges made against Libby.
Here are some examples of Democrat President lying about national security courtesy of lefty historian Howard Zinn:
Tuco;
Like a carnival barker spraying the crowd with his horsehit; there you go again.
Dredging up some modicum of rationale for three administrations piled to the rafters with liars and obstructionists does not level the playing field with democrats, my furry conservative friend.
While you’re at it, why don’t you compare the head cold you had last year to the 1918 Flu epidemic?
Or, how about the kid who got nabbed shoplifting a Hershey bar being no no differeent from John Gotti?
Dredging the historical record for examples of democratic foolishness does not take the fetid odor of Republican disregard for the rule of law and turn it into the fragrance of gardenias. You are rather transparent in your atttempts to do so, but what else can you say? You and yours probably still think Nixon was railroaded. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
Tuco, you have to love the rationale. Oliver makes a blanket statement as if to say, “Only Republicans do this.” Once that is shown to be complete and utter nonsense and that Democratic lies, mideeds, scandals and crimes extend beyond Clinton’s dick, they retreat into, “Well, it’s not as bad as Republicans!!”
Even “nicer” is the disgusting reference to the “Alzheimer’s defense”.
‘Diamond’ even drags his mother into this tasteless slander that Reagn (”Raygun” – like, that’s so mature) had alzheimer’s while he was in the Whie House, ands the additional slander that he was a “psycho.”
Which makes him a combination neurologist / psychiatri in one. Whatta guy.
Semanticleo, in his usual, flamboyant reminds us of the “fetid odor of Republican disregard for the rule of law,” as if none of that can found across the aisle.
From Today’s Washington Times online: The so-called “lack-of-memory defense” has worked with varying degrees of success when used by high-level officials caught in the grip of scandal during recent decades — namely by Reagan administration officials during Iran-Contra in the 1980s and Clinton administration officials during the Whitewater probes of the 1990s. [emhasis mine - fd]
And, by the way, you’re entitled, as is everyone who posts here, to be as tasteless and slanderous as you want to be. I’m entitled to point it out
Not as disgusting as throwing overboard everything these semi-patriots purport to hold dear to save their worthless carcasses.
Point away.
It’s still donkey dropping embedded in elephantine dumps.
Never said it did, Semanticleo. I respond mostly to Oliver, rather than to the liberal posters here, because they’re smarter than him most of the time.
But I’m surprised to see you fall into the trap. Check Jay C’s comment for analysis. Oliver makes stupid remarks, in effect, “only Republicans are corrupt” and “the only time bad things happen is when Republicans are in power.”
I’m just pointing out how ridiculous that is.
And a study your anal / scatological metaphors would fill volumes of psychiatric journals.
I don’t know if you are familiar with the origins of using incense during mass.
All I know is that, during the Middle Ages especially, it was often important in keeping the attendees from being overcome from the fumes arising from unwashed silk and velvet mixed with body grease, enveloped in the acrid atmosphere of heat and humidty.
Many times it was exacerbated by liberal doses of cheap perfume, which hardly served to mask the odor, but was enhancing instead.
Whether it is scat or body odor, you get rid of it by washing it out, not masking it with perfumey hyperbole.
If you prefer I can switch between offensive odor sources from time to time. Don’t want you getting nauseous. Nor do I want you to attempt amateur psychiatry, a quality which you loathe in others.
I can’t even begin to fathom what kind of argument you’re trying to make with that whopper.
First of all, the only thing that exists in the Libby case is an indictment. There’s been no prosecution or conviction. Relax and let the process play out. You believe in justice, don’t you? Or would you like the kind of star chamber justice for Republicans that Oliver espouses?
Finally, I suppose all those Presidential lies are less important than convicting a politician of the opposite party for perjury?
Here are some examples of Democrat President lying about national security
Did any of these “lies” result in criminal indictments, prosecutions and convictions?
If not, then, to follow current Republican logic, they did not happen. The alleged liars are 100% innocent until proven guilty by due process of law.
Once again, Semanticleo, unable to respond to logical fallacies in Oliver’s partisan graffiti, resorts to talking about shit.
First of all, the only thing that exists in the Libby case is an indictment. There s been no prosecution or conviction.?
Point is (obviously) that there weren’t even indictments in the examples of the alleged lies that you mentioned, yet here you are acting as though the guilt of those in question is a proven fact. You do believe in justice don’t you, Tuco? For people other than Republicans, I mean?
Calling everything you disapprove of some form of excrement says more about you than you would like to think. The highly improbable story about medieval incense is a non sequitur at best, anti – “Romish” slander at worst.
My interest in therapy is a wee bit more than amateur.
God, you people are tiring.
The point is to counter Oliver’s partisan myopia on political corruption.
So, if you insist on a one-for-one comparison, here’s just one item (from Wikipedia:
Well, there you have it, an indictment, a guilty plea, and a pardon. We even now?
Hey Fellas -
Might want to think about checking for a life raft cuz yer ship is sinking fast. You have bought into this Admin so solidly – your constant defense and finger pointing does not take away that this is all happening now. Brought to you by the guy who promised to make the office more honest and to follow the law – what were those campaign promises again?
The fact is your guys only care about the smallest portion of the people – the richest. They don’t care about you except around election time or to try and squeeze 100 bucks out of you once a year. Suckers.
Well, there you have it, an indictment, a guilty plea, and a pardon. We even now?
Cisneros deserved what he got, but what he lied about had nothing to do with his job. Apparently for Rove and Libby, lying WAS their job.
Just a little bit different, eh?
Apparently? In case you hadn’t noticed, Rove wasn’t charged with anything.
And Libby hasn’t been tried yet. I don’t recall Fitzgerald making an allegation that lying was his job.
Just another liberal vigilante, tightening up the noose. No trials necessary, nope, just string ‘em up and off with their heads.
What exactly does that mean to you, Zappa?
No, really, I’m genuinely interested in what you mean.
I want to know if it’s more than Oliver’s fantasy world of a liberal dictatorship, where people he disagrees with are judged to be guilty without benefit of a trial, or did you have something more specific in mind.