Dugger

I Googled +Plame +Rove +”FOX News”, and got (in Google News only) 267 hits. And they’re supposed to be on Bush’s side. That’s a hell of a lot of anonymous tips.

Maybe we’ll get Dugger to admit he’s a bank robber.

You continue with your . uhh . confusion (deleted harsher word). Please show where I spoke of a conspiracy. Is a lynch mob a conspiracy or just shared hate? And yes, when I said “maybe we’ll get…” I meant that as speculation. Brilliant of you to catch it, though.

BD, That rushing noise over your head was my point. Whats your guess as to what “Maybe we’ll get…” means?

Dugger

I don’t recall Wilson ever complaining about his life being “shattered.” If you can recall and show it to me, I’ll stand corrected.

The idea that Joe Wilson would show up on TV News weeping over this situation is completely at odds with the public face Wilson has worn for years. You can slander him all you like as an opportunistic liar, but he’s never proven himself to be a crybaby.

Regardless, if it were just about a Big Mean Political Hack beating up on Joe Wilson, there wouldn’t be an investigation at all. After all, they’ve beat up people before this–see also McCain, John–and sometimes for even more specious reasons.

Still believe that a special prosecutor won’t give members of his own party a hard time? Well, here’s a scoop for you. The MSM media is liberal. They vote liberal and opine liberal. No one expects you to believe that, because you are liberal, maybe even beyond liberal. After all, certain leftists here have opined that the NYTimes is conservative. I make up my own mind about liberal bias. I know it when I see it and hear it. But if not me, I give you this from the liberal ABC’s ‘The Note’ :

Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections. They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion are the default, while more conservative positions are “conservative positions.”

SO yes. The MSM will carry the Democrats water for them on this and I expect very little intelligent discusion about actual harm done. Maybe we will get a sobbing Joe Wilson trying to recover whats left of his shattered life or some pictures of CIA corpses juxtaposed with Rove/Libby . After all, if they would fake documents to get Bush, you think they would stop at a little warped coverage?

Dugger

For me, or anyone, to buy into your conspiracy claim I’d have to believe that simply reporting on Fitzgerald’s invevstigataion is evidence of liberal bias. Where, oh where, in any of the coverage of the Plame investigation has the media carried water for Dems? “Maybe we’ll get …”? Sound like a little wild speculation on your part. Let’s not forget that fact that by and large leading Dems have been largely silent about the Plame refusing the make political hay of it. Which is exactly the reason for Oliver’s initial post. Judith Miller, a central figure in this whole affair, went to jail to defend people in the Bush administration. And the New York Times through its institutional weight behind here. How on earth does that constitute carrying water for the Dems? What abotu Chris Matthews, Tim Russert or Andrea Mitchell? That’s some pretty big players in the MSNBC news department. They have all been interviewed by Fitzgerald and have done nothing to illuminate their roles in the case for their audiences. Does that constitute carrying water for the Dems? Please. You have not one single, specific instance of MSM liberal bias on this issue aside from complaining that they are covering it all. During the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal the cable news channels, including that liberal bastion, CNN, gave us round the clock, 24/7 coverage of stained dresses, cigars and, yes, presidential dissembling. The media hasn’t even come close to that circus with this investigation. Not even close. You can site all the vague, generalities eminating from your gut about the media’s biases all you like but hour for hour in comparison to the coverage of Whitewater or Lewinsky, the media has given the Bush administration a pass on Plame — while liberal activists have been going apeshit over it. Now you tell me where the media gets its marching orders from? Howard Dean? No fucking way.

And Frank, you should just give it all up. All of it. Just stop while your behind. What information have you been talking about? The media has largely been reporting anonymous tips from the lawyers involved making themselves, once again, tools of the very people at the heart of this case. Rove’s lawyer has been leaking like a sieve even to the point of contradicting himself in a desperate attempt to spin the investigation. The New York Times has so far allowed one of its own reporters to get away with the “I can’t recall” defense in its own pages. I mean, shit goddamn, a reporter who can’t remember where she got a crucial piece of information? Please.

But the idea that the MSM is working on behalf of Democrats on this is also ludicrous on its face. To begin with major players and institutions of the MSM have been implicated in STALLING the investigation on behalf of the Administration: Judy Miller, anyone? Indeed, Dugger, have you seen the list of MSM reporters and punidts who are caught up in this: Miller and the NY Times, Cooper and Time magazine, Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell, Tim Russert, Robert Novak et. al. Anyone of these people could have come forward and told the American public everything they knew about the situation and none of them did. Not one felt that the public interest outweighed their precious access to power. Ya, the MSM has been carrying a lot of water but it hasn’t been for the Dems. Wake up, Dugger, the old MSM canard is a laughable defense in this case. The MSM is a major part of the case because its major players were doing the bidding of the White House. The White House revealed classified information in a desperate attempt to defend itself and the MSM went along until well after it became clear that a crime may have been committed in the process. Miller still “can’t remember” where she got the name Valerie Flame. Ya, right.

The complicity of the MSM in this is all the more reason why the Dems need to come out swinging the second after an indictment is handed down.

Oh, and God already helps me, thank you.

You can’t be serious about not understanding the difference between Clinton and Monica’s tryst and leaking of classified information.

If George and Laura Bush want to bring Tony Blair to bed with them it is a private, personal decision by consensual private adults. The same the government doesn’t have a right to pry into my bedroom, the public doesn’t have the right to pry into the President’s bedroom.

Clinton’s mistake was using the office of the President as the backdrop for an sexual misconduct. This blurs the line between the office and the man. Had he chosen and unofficial location it wouldn’t have been embarrassing for the US. In fact in world view I think the only one’s really embarrassed were religious conservatives inside the US.

Bush’s major political teammates and possibly his own VP leaked classified information to the US public either for no reason at all [it wasn't like Plame was using her covert status to do something illegal] or to politically damage Wilson [which is even worse.] This is just plain illegal, immoral, and frankly treasonous.

If you can’t see the difference between a difference in opinion on the value of monogamy and treasonous disclosure of classified information then God help you.

Yes I know Clinton’s “crime” was purgery and if he was guilty of lying under oath he should have gotten punished, but he would have never been in that position if republicans didn’t attack him for having a mistress in the first place.

Yes I know Plame wasn’t the most secret operative in the world, but she wasn’t made public. My girlfriend has clearance for her job and if she confirms something I guess from current events that’s classified she can [and most likely would] lose her job, her clearance, and be tried for treason. So why should she and not cheney/rove/libby/whomever?

Dugger, Realistic, Even When it Hurts

I find it interesting that when Clinton (blessed be his name) was getting “root canal” work in the Oval Office, it was “personal”, but somehow the Plame affair besmirches the “people’s White House.”

It is to laugh.

But there’s something to be said for letting one’s enemies hoist themselves by their own petard, don’t you think? Besides, if the only thing Democrats have to offer the American people is politically motivated prosecutions, then they really deserve to remain powerless carpers in perpetuity.

Judge for yourself.

http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/printer.pat,local/30dabdc3.210,.html

Worked really well when the Pubbies did it to Clinton, yes?