Comments on: The Case for Gore http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:40:21 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: trey http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9721 trey Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:10:00 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9721 don't forget Wes Clark - credible on Iraq and other national security issues, a lot of support among the grassroots, although he needs to learn a lot more about campaigning if he chooses to run again. He had my support, and that of many of my colleagues, and would be a valued addition to a Democratic ticket. don’t forget Wes Clark – credible on Iraq and other national security issues, a lot of support among the grassroots, although he needs to learn a lot more about campaigning if he chooses to run again. He had my support, and that of many of my colleagues, and would be a valued addition to a Democratic ticket.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9720 Frank_D Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:10:57 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9720 Oliver: It's not my theory that an "insider" can't win -- it's Ryan Lizza's. Most people in the "Draft Condi" movement are betting that the Democratic nominee will be Sen Clinton. This leads them (us?) to believe that the only opponent that can beat Clinton is Rice. Does that make Rice "draftable" if it's not Clinton? Probably not. But, be that as it may, the Republicans are having as much trouble finding a candidate as the Democrats. Oliver: It’s not my theory that an “insider” can’t win — it’s Ryan Lizza’s.

Most people in the “Draft Condi” movement are betting that the Democratic nominee will be Sen Clinton. This leads them (us?) to believe that the only opponent that can beat Clinton is Rice.

Does that make Rice “draftable” if it’s not Clinton? Probably not.

But, be that as it may, the Republicans are having as much trouble finding a candidate as the Democrats.

]]> By: Semanticleo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9718 Semanticleo Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:10:14 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9718 Neither McCain nor Giuliani can pass the Dobson test, Neither do they care presumably. McCain would be opposed by the screaming mimi's as a Ragin' Rino, and Giuliani has sufficient skeletons so that he would be hounded to Baskerville Hell, caught in the same pincers as Harreit Miers. McCain could carry the weight. The other one is a squirrel whose stored nuts would never last the long cold winter of a national election. Neither McCain nor Giuliani can pass the Dobson test, Neither do they care presumably. McCain would be opposed by the screaming mimi’s as a Ragin’ Rino, and Giuliani has sufficient skeletons so that he would be hounded to Baskerville Hell, caught in the same pincers as Harreit Miers.

McCain could carry the weight. The other one is a squirrel whose stored nuts would never last the long cold winter of a national election.

]]> By: David W http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9719 David W Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:10:14 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9719 Gore can 'credibly run against Washington' because of the type of politician that he is--he's a technocrat, not a pork-barrel artist... i'm sure somebody can come up with some example to the contrary, but on the whole, Gore's career as a legislator was noted (even by his adversaries) for his extensive knowledge about government and the substance of lawmaking (as opposed to politics). Gore can ‘credibly run against Washington’ because of the type of politician that he is–he’s a technocrat, not a pork-barrel artist…

i’m sure somebody can come up with some example to the contrary, but on the whole, Gore’s career as a legislator was noted (even by his adversaries) for his extensive knowledge about government and the substance of lawmaking (as opposed to politics).

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9717 Oliver Willis Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:10:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9717 By 2008, Gore will not have been in the federal gov't for 8 years, with all likelihood his primary and general election opponent will have been in either Washington or in their respective statehouse that whole time. Even your beloved Condi and her farfetched dream of running for office is a consumate DC insider. By 2008, Gore will not have been in the federal gov’t for 8 years, with all likelihood his primary and general election opponent will have been in either Washington or in their respective statehouse that whole time. Even your beloved Condi and her farfetched dream of running for office is a consumate DC insider.

]]> By: Frank_D http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9716 Frank_D Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:10:02 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9716 This is not a rhetorical question: How is a former Senator and two term Vice - President going to "credibly run against Washington"? This is not a rhetorical question: How is a former Senator and two term Vice – President going to “credibly run against Washington”?

]]> By: dugger1 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9715 dugger1 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:10:52 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9715 I said it six months ago. Will say it now: its Hillary's on the Democratic side. Gore has zero chance if Hillary runs. Plus Hillary IS electable, as she has moved to the center left, and Gore has gotten increasingly shrill. A moderate Democrat can benefit from Bush fatigue; a screamer won't. Dugger I said it six months ago. Will say it now: its Hillary’s on the Democratic side.
Gore has zero chance if Hillary runs. Plus Hillary IS electable, as she has moved to the center left, and Gore has gotten increasingly shrill. A moderate Democrat can benefit from Bush fatigue; a screamer won’t.

Dugger

]]> By: spitar1 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9714 spitar1 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:10:35 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9714 What about the fact that Gore recently made a statement saying he has absolutely no interest in running? What about the fact that Gore recently made a statement saying he has absolutely no interest in running?

]]> By: David W http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9713 David W Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:10:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9713 as someone who didn't vote for Gore, (I voted for Nader, in New York, as a pure protest vote), the guy actually has a lot going for him--his intellect and knowledge about the technical aspects of government have never been in doubt--I think a lot of voters, like myself, were turned off by his woodenness, and lack of fire in the belly. *if* he's gained a personality and some heart during his 'time in the wilderness,' then I think he's a very viable candidate, much more so than Hillary... I also think it's *way* to early to start jockying about this, and I hope that he keeps in the public eye, but not as a candidate, until a later date, when he can't be used as a punching bag by the wingnuts looking to deflect the heat. as someone who didn’t vote for Gore, (I voted for Nader, in New York, as a pure protest vote), the guy actually has a lot going for him–his intellect and knowledge about the technical aspects of government have never been in doubt–I think a lot of voters, like myself, were turned off by his woodenness, and lack of fire in the belly.

*if* he’s gained a personality and some heart during his ‘time in the wilderness,’ then I think he’s a very viable candidate, much more so than Hillary…

I also think it’s *way* to early to start jockying about this, and I hope that he keeps in the public eye, but not as a candidate, until a later date, when he can’t be used as a punching bag by the wingnuts looking to deflect the heat.

]]> By: JD http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9712 JD Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:10:05 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9712 The Democratic party can surely do better. Having said that, please, please, please nominate him. What should be an easy win for the Democrats would become far more win-able with him running. The Democratic party can surely do better.

Having said that, please, please, please nominate him. What should be an easy win for the Democrats would become far more win-able with him running.

]]> By: mr.curmudgeon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9711 mr.curmudgeon Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:10:01 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9711 I'm still praying for that Bubba-esque dark horse. But I'm pretty solid on Clark as VP... I’m still praying for that Bubba-esque dark horse. But I’m pretty solid on Clark as VP…

]]> By: Big Gay Al http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9710 Big Gay Al Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:10:48 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9710 America loves a comeback story. The media would treat Gore as such should he declare his candidacy. At the very least, Gore has transformed from the "wooden" image that dogged him in 2000 to a pretty passionate critic of the current Administration. He has a realistic chance. I'm not convinced Hillary is as unstoppable in the primaries as people make her out to be. The one wild card is John Edwards, I guess. Ultimately, the nomination may vcome down to Edwards or Gore. America loves a comeback story. The media would treat Gore as such should he declare his candidacy. At the very least, Gore has transformed from the “wooden” image that dogged him in 2000 to a pretty passionate critic of the current Administration.

He has a realistic chance. I’m not convinced Hillary is as unstoppable in the primaries as people make her out to be. The one wild card is John Edwards, I guess. Ultimately, the nomination may vcome down to Edwards or Gore.

]]> By: NotAnotherUserName http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9709 NotAnotherUserName Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:10:37 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9709 Will the democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire finally realize that sitting Senators do not make winnable Presidential candidates? We need to stop thinking about any current Senator as the candidate. Sitting Senators do not win Presidential elections. Will the democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire finally realize that sitting Senators do not make winnable Presidential candidates?

We need to stop thinking about any current Senator as the candidate. Sitting Senators do not win Presidential elections.

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9708 SaveFarris Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:10:56 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9708 <blockquote>If he runs for president he would be the only candidate in either party who instantly passes the post-9/11 threshold on national security issues.</blockquote> Not that I'm a big fan of either, but the author in question is forgetting about McCain and Guliani.

If he runs for president he would be the only candidate in either party who instantly passes the post-9/11 threshold on national security issues.

Not that I’m a big fan of either, but the author in question is forgetting about McCain and Guliani.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/17/the-case-for-gore/#comment-9707 Oliver Willis Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:10:26 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=726#comment-9707 Can McCain or Giuliani pass the Dobson test, however? Can McCain or Giuliani pass the Dobson test, however?

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