Toxic George

7:10 pm EST October 10th, 2005 | Democrats | 16 Comments

Interesting story about the ’08 Republicans running away from President Bush.

My current thinking goes that if the GOP really reacts harshly to the Miers pick (missing their big “F-U” to the left) and the promise unfilled of the Bush administration, they could pick one of the crazies – Roy Moore, Tom Tancredo, etc. Which would mean they would lose big. The pragmatic choice for the GOP would be John McCain, who’s also the candidate who would siphon off the most independent and Democratic voters, but they increasingly seem less likely to pick him – at least among the base, mainstream Republicans know better.

On the Democratic side, I do also think that someone outside of the DC Dems may have a leg up – including the usual look at governors, as well as Al Gore and John Edwards who are no longer “inside the beltway”.

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16 Responses to “Toxic George”

  1. Lis Riba says:
    October 10, 2005 at 7:10 pm

    This actually ties into something I wrote earlier today.

    If the GOP starts running on an “I’m not Bush” platform, then the Democrats lose that angle and need to have a stronger message.

  2. Oliver says:
    October 10, 2005 at 9:10 pm

    Well, the Democrats would (deservedly) lose anyway running on a “not Bush” platform. They need to run on a “I’m a Democrat” platform.

  3. JD says:
    October 10, 2005 at 9:10 pm

    That would be a first.

  4. just.jim says:
    October 10, 2005 at 10:10 pm

    Liz has a good point. However, the “I’m not Bush” ploy will only draw attention to 8 years of House & Senate goose stepping to the Texas tune. The legacy is still poor results on almost every front. They can’t say “I’m not Bush” without having to also say “Uh, well, uh, I sort of voted for everything he wanted”.

    That’s the problem with the boss having it all his own way. The boss better not stumble. He’ll be gone and you have to explain why the Party should choose you. You wouldn’t/didn’t/couldn’t influence policy when it counted most, what would make anyone think you could lead.

    I don’t see any statesmen in the GOP in or outside the beltway. Romney in Mass is a good speaker but has a problem with his Abortion stance. Ex Mayor G from NYC has name recognition. Name one thing outside 911 response that he’s done.

    No one sticks out on the other side of the aisle, either. Maybe I should watch more Fox news to see who’s being attacked.

  5. David W says:
    October 10, 2005 at 10:10 pm

    good–let’s watch the Rs fall to pieces, as the Religious Right realizes what their ‘deal with the devil,’ has gotten them, while simultaneously retaining enough of their faith/hubris to think that they actually have some sort of heavenly mandate (here’s a clue, fundies–God wants you to run this country like He wants Kurt Warner to win the Super Bowl)

    frankly, Al Gore is looking better with each passing day–let’s hope that he’s grown a backbone and gotten some fire in his gut during his time in the wilderness…

  6. Oliver says:
    October 10, 2005 at 10:10 pm

    Well, sure, if you ignore 2000, 1996, 1992, etc. and pretend that the last 50 years were just a mirage.

  7. neoconsrloopy says:
    October 10, 2005 at 11:10 pm

    I’ll get the fundies started, I will donate the MAXIMUM to Roy Moore’s ’08 primary campaign should he run.

    Can you imagine a primary between Roy Moore and Condi “It’s the shoes” Rice? Will be interesting to see the “Southern Strategy” lead to a Republican loss for a change.

  8. JD says:
    October 11, 2005 at 5:10 pm

    justjim : Name one thing Giuliani did outside of 9/11 response? How about cleaning up NY city ?

  9. neoconsrloopy says:
    October 12, 2005 at 8:10 am

    With help from the Clinton crime bill, Guiliani had the funds to hire over 5,000 more officers and reduce crime.

    I can remember the cons now “Midnight Basketball!!!@@#(#(##$, What an Outrage !!!!@#$()#($”

    Another Clinton strategy that paid off big for the country.

  10. JD says:
    October 12, 2005 at 10:10 am

    That is a fairly unenlightened view of what Giuliani did in NY.

  11. neoconsrloopy says:
    October 12, 2005 at 2:10 pm

    Kind of funny then that virtually every city in the country experienced deep decreases in crime after the crime bill, then, isn’t it? It wasn’t just NY City.

    What the crime bill couldn’t do, the hot economy did do, and Guiliani took all of the credit.

  12. JD says:
    October 12, 2005 at 5:10 pm

    How about this … go back in time a little bit, and take a look at what Times Square was like prior to Giuliani, take a look at it during his administration, and after he left office.

  13. neoconsrloopy says:
    October 12, 2005 at 8:10 pm

    How about this … go back in time a little bit, and take a look at what Times Square was like prior to the crime bill, take a look at it during his administration, and after he left office.

    There is no Disneyification of Times Square without the extra police afforded by the crime bill.

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