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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8655</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another left wing un documented, unsupported, unproven assertion..
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8654</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just sayin&#039;
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8653</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me give you a hint:

Here&#039;s my evidence that the Miers pick was not out of weakness.

I think the Miers pick was not motivated by Bush&#039;s weakness.

Now I know you&#039;re convinced, just as you expected me to be convinced by Oliver&#039;s statement.

I know what you&#039;re thinking: But, Frank, what evidence do you have?

Aha...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me give you a hint:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my evidence that the Miers pick was not out of weakness.</p>
<p>I think the Miers pick was not motivated by Bush&#8217;s weakness.</p>
<p>Now I know you&#8217;re convinced, just as you expected me to be convinced by Oliver&#8217;s statement.</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re thinking: But, Frank, what evidence do you have?</p>
<p>Aha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8652</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point is; hes&#039; weak

Let&#039;s let the historians decide how he got there
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point is; hes&#8217; weak</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s let the historians decide how he got there</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8651</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you just don&#039;t get it; that&#039;s not my problem...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you just don&#8217;t get it; that&#8217;s not my problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8650</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank;

What would satisfy you?  How about Bush &#039;shouting from the end of the bar&#039;;  &quot;I picked her because I am weak !&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank;</p>
<p>What would satisfy you?  How about Bush &#8217;shouting from the end of the bar&#8217;;  &#8220;I picked her because I am weak !&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8649</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been hearing from Oliver, of all people, about more and more Republicans having misgivings (to say the least) about the Miers pick. I have read, and seen on TV, nuch more. That makes Republican misgivings about Miers &quot;old news&quot;, in my book.

Also, those misgivings have nothing whatever to do with Bush&#039;s purported weakness.

Oliver&#039;s &quot;case&quot; hinges on what Bush &lt;i&gt;might have done&lt;/i&gt; if he were not weak. Interestingly, he is the &lt;b&gt;only one&lt;/b&gt; saying it.

Therefore, when I introduced a simple requirement for evidence --   a newspaper or magazine article... informed (i.e., with citations) blog entry or editorial -- he was unable to do so. Oliver might as well be (as Edward R. Murrow put it) &quot;Shouting from the end of the bar.&quot;

So the evidence is somewehere between weak and nonexistent. (&lt;i&gt;Nota bene&lt;/i&gt;: I am not saying that Bush shows no signs of weakness -- I am asking for evidence that the Miers pick was evidence of weakness)

Now, if you have an argument to make against what I said, make it.

Now is the time for you to stop gainsaying me, and contradicting me, and SAY SOMETHING!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been hearing from Oliver, of all people, about more and more Republicans having misgivings (to say the least) about the Miers pick. I have read, and seen on TV, nuch more. That makes Republican misgivings about Miers &#8220;old news&#8221;, in my book.</p>
<p>Also, those misgivings have nothing whatever to do with Bush&#8217;s purported weakness.</p>
<p>Oliver&#8217;s &#8220;case&#8221; hinges on what Bush <i>might have done</i> if he were not weak. Interestingly, he is the <b>only one</b> saying it.</p>
<p>Therefore, when I introduced a simple requirement for evidence &#8212;   a newspaper or magazine article&#8230; informed (i.e., with citations) blog entry or editorial &#8212; he was unable to do so. Oliver might as well be (as Edward R. Murrow put it) &#8220;Shouting from the end of the bar.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the evidence is somewehere between weak and nonexistent. (<i>Nota bene</i>: I am not saying that Bush shows no signs of weakness &#8212; I am asking for evidence that the Miers pick was evidence of weakness)</p>
<p>Now, if you have an argument to make against what I said, make it.</p>
<p>Now is the time for you to stop gainsaying me, and contradicting me, and SAY SOMETHING!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8648</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver: Just so you can tell one thing from another, here&#039;s an article about Bush&#039;s &quot;fatigue&quot; -- read weakness -- from the right. Notice that there is no mention of the Miers pick

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23311,filter.all/pub_detail.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23311,filter.all/pub_detail.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23311,filter.all/pub_detail.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver: Just so you can tell one thing from another, here&#8217;s an article about Bush&#8217;s &#8220;fatigue&#8221; &#8212; read weakness &#8212; from the right. Notice that there is no mention of the Miers pick</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23311,filter.all/pub_detail.asp" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23311,filter.all/pub_detail.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23311,filter.all/pub_detail.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8647</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bush wasn&#039;t feeling weak he would have nominated Owens, or Brown or other psycho right-winger. Instead he picked one of the Bushwomen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bush wasn&#8217;t feeling weak he would have nominated Owens, or Brown or other psycho right-winger. Instead he picked one of the Bushwomen.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8646</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weak evidence, indeed, and not corroborated by anything.
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8645</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEW NEWS; Old news is not evidence to Frank and weak evidence is no evidence at all !!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEW NEWS; Old news is not evidence to Frank and weak evidence is no evidence at all !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8644</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo: The article you cited is old news...

Is this evidence that some Republicans are unhappy with Bush&#039;s choice?

It sure is evidence of Bush&#039;s weakness.

The only &quot;evidence&quot; of Bush&#039;s weakness so far is Oliver&#039;s say so. Can&#039;t somebody, anybody find a newspaper or magazine article? And informed (i.e., with citations) blog entry or editorial?

Some shred, some scintilla of evidence? Please!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo: The article you cited is old news&#8230;</p>
<p>Is this evidence that some Republicans are unhappy with Bush&#8217;s choice?</p>
<p>It sure is evidence of Bush&#8217;s weakness.</p>
<p>The only &#8220;evidence&#8221; of Bush&#8217;s weakness so far is Oliver&#8217;s say so. Can&#8217;t somebody, anybody find a newspaper or magazine article? And informed (i.e., with citations) blog entry or editorial?</p>
<p>Some shred, some scintilla of evidence? Please!!</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8643</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For trolls who must have an answer or else they get all pissy;

Eroding support within his own ranks=weakness

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9598551/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9598551/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9598551/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For trolls who must have an answer or else they get all pissy;</p>
<p>Eroding support within his own ranks=weakness</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9598551/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9598551/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9598551/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8642</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flailing..............
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flailing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8641</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does &lt;i&gt;anybody&lt;/i&gt; have any evidence of any connection between Bush s purported weakness, and his choice of Meiers?

Apparently Oliver doesn&#039;t. I d love to read it.


also, frameone: {from the same article}

The FTC reviews regional concentration when considering refinery mergers, said general counsel William Kovacic.

``It may be possible in selected markets for individual firms to unilaterally increase prices, particularly where there are specific supply disruptions, but the capacity to do that is a separate question from the question did the mergers make it easier,&#039;&#039; Kovacic said. ``We think, and again it&#039;s a fair point for debate, the mergers haven&#039;t contributed to this.&#039;&#039;

Kovacic said &lt;i&gt;regional fuel requirements that prevent some types of gasoline from being sold in different markets may be more to blame for crimping supply&lt;/i&gt; [empasis added - fd]. Different states have their own requirements for additives such as ethanol used to meet federal pollution rules. California, for example, won&#039;t allow the use of gas blended with an ethanol alternative, methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE, because of concerns the petroleum-based chemical will foul water supplies.

``We have suggested in our comments to other agencies that it would be helpful if there were a more integrated approach to competition policy,&#039;&#039; Kovacic said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does <i>anybody</i> have any evidence of any connection between Bush s purported weakness, and his choice of Meiers?</p>
<p>Apparently Oliver doesn&#8217;t. I d love to read it.</p>
<p>also, frameone: {from the same article}</p>
<p>The FTC reviews regional concentration when considering refinery mergers, said general counsel William Kovacic.</p>
<p>&#8220;It may be possible in selected markets for individual firms to unilaterally increase prices, particularly where there are specific supply disruptions, but the capacity to do that is a separate question from the question did the mergers make it easier,&#8221; Kovacic said. &#8220;We think, and again it&#8217;s a fair point for debate, the mergers haven&#8217;t contributed to this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kovacic said <i>regional fuel requirements that prevent some types of gasoline from being sold in different markets may be more to blame for crimping supply</i> [empasis added - fd]. Different states have their own requirements for additives such as ethanol used to meet federal pollution rules. California, for example, won&#8217;t allow the use of gas blended with an ethanol alternative, methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE, because of concerns the petroleum-based chemical will foul water supplies.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have suggested in our comments to other agencies that it would be helpful if there were a more integrated approach to competition policy,&#8221; Kovacic said.</p>
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		<title>By: Upper Left</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8640</link>
		<dc:creator>Upper Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Preznit 37%&lt;/strong&gt;

CBS sez...
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<p>CBS sez&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8639</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Righty! Republicans control the White House *and* both houses of Congress! The right wing had it&#039;s shot at enacting a competent energy policy. Instead they&#039;ve been too busy sucking off lobbyists, committing crimes, and covering it up. But keep up the shrill hatred by all means!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Righty! Republicans control the White House *and* both houses of Congress! The right wing had it&#8217;s shot at enacting a competent energy policy. Instead they&#8217;ve been too busy sucking off lobbyists, committing crimes, and covering it up. But keep up the shrill hatred by all means!</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please RIR. ANWR? That&#039;s all you got? That&#039;s your long term energy policy? Nuclear power? Where are you going to put the waste and spent fuel? Oh and what about that proliferation thing? NP has a lot of issues that need to be more carefully worked through than simply building them all over the country. And don&#039;t even start with refineries. Your boy Bush has done a bang up job encouraging new refineries. From Bloomberg:

Gas Price Surge Under Bush Follows Unchecked Refinery Mergers

May 17 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush allowed an increase in oil refinery mergers to go unchecked since he took office and may have contributed to the highest gasoline prices in 20 years as the November election approaches.

The Bush administration approved 33 takeovers totaling $19.5 billion, on top of 21 deals worth $7.3 billion under President Bill Clinton, Bloomberg data shows. Reduced supplies were already pushing up gas prices in Clinton&#039;s term, according to a Federal Trade Commission study conducted after pump prices rose to more than $2 a gallon in Milwaukee and Chicago in 2000.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&amp;sid=aI43GNSYkDDQ&amp;refer=news_index&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&amp;sid=aI43GNSYkDDQ&amp;refer=news_index&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&amp;sid=aI43GNSYkDDQ&amp;refer=news_index&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Sound government investment in alternative fuels would do a lot to relieve the energy crunch but whenever someone brings up biofuels all we get are &quot;Oh look at the hippies driving in their canola oil VWs. Ha ha, stupid hippies.&quot; Meanwhile Bush helps his oil industry cronies close more refineries and drill in ANWR. But no, it&#039;s democratic liars that are ruining the country.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please RIR. ANWR? That&#8217;s all you got? That&#8217;s your long term energy policy? Nuclear power? Where are you going to put the waste and spent fuel? Oh and what about that proliferation thing? NP has a lot of issues that need to be more carefully worked through than simply building them all over the country. And don&#8217;t even start with refineries. Your boy Bush has done a bang up job encouraging new refineries. From Bloomberg:</p>
<p>Gas Price Surge Under Bush Follows Unchecked Refinery Mergers</p>
<p>May 17 (Bloomberg) &#8212; President George W. Bush allowed an increase in oil refinery mergers to go unchecked since he took office and may have contributed to the highest gasoline prices in 20 years as the November election approaches.</p>
<p>The Bush administration approved 33 takeovers totaling $19.5 billion, on top of 21 deals worth $7.3 billion under President Bill Clinton, Bloomberg data shows. Reduced supplies were already pushing up gas prices in Clinton&#8217;s term, according to a Federal Trade Commission study conducted after pump prices rose to more than $2 a gallon in Milwaukee and Chicago in 2000.<br />
<a href="http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&#038;sid=aI43GNSYkDDQ&#038;refer=news_index" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&#038;sid=aI43GNSYkDDQ&#038;refer=news_index" rel="nofollow">http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&#038;sid=aI43GNSYkDDQ&#038;refer=news_index</a></p>
<p>Sound government investment in alternative fuels would do a lot to relieve the energy crunch but whenever someone brings up biofuels all we get are &#8220;Oh look at the hippies driving in their canola oil VWs. Ha ha, stupid hippies.&#8221; Meanwhile Bush helps his oil industry cronies close more refineries and drill in ANWR. But no, it&#8217;s democratic liars that are ruining the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8637</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving up to a thread more comfortable.............

RiR;

Actually, if you adjust the amount of gold necessary to purchase a gallon of gas, in say, 1960 ($.20) and adjust for the rise in gold value, gas should be at about $4 per gallon.  The closer the price gets to that amount the quicker the public is going to take charge of the issue of alternative fuels.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving up to a thread more comfortable&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>RiR;</p>
<p>Actually, if you adjust the amount of gold necessary to purchase a gallon of gas, in say, 1960 ($.20) and adjust for the rise in gold value, gas should be at about $4 per gallon.  The closer the price gets to that amount the quicker the public is going to take charge of the issue of alternative fuels.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/10/06/keep-on-tumbling/#comment-8636</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still have not seen any evidence that the economy is going south.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still have not seen any evidence that the economy is going south.</p>
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