If you base your love or hate not on the action of the individual or group but on the make up of the lovers/haters then I can see how you can get confused

But I’m not confused! And you didn’t disagree with me!
You said something completely different from what I said — and I disagree with you.

Zappa – are you actually trying to me that there are no people out there who think Bush was “selected”? There are no people out there who believe that Bush is not the legitimate President of the the United States? That he didn’t “steal” the election of 2000? That he didn’t steal the election of 2004?
Of course there are, and you know it. You actually want to believe that Bush is hated because he has done “enough harm where there is recognition on a national/global scale” — in other words, he has done so much harm that that is why lots of people hate him?

You and liberals won’t accept any responsible for the visceral animosity you feel towards this man? You really want to believe you hate him because of his performance as President?

Then why do you think the Clinton haters hated Clinton? Because he did bad things on a grand scale? I hated Clinton, and I can tell you that wasn’t why. Carter was a pitiful incompetent, and I never hated him. Why do you suppose that was?

Think, man, think!

Now if I do harm locally there might be a few that hate me – and of those that hate me you might not have a problem with them – if I do enough harm where there is recognition on a national/global scale then there will be more that ‘hate’ me and you have a greater chance of finding someone that you find distasteful in the haters club. Does not mean that my harm is any less – it just means that my harm is recognized by a wider audiance.

If you base your love or hate not on the action of the individual or group but on the make up of the lovers/haters then I can see how you can get confused. Thanks for clearing that up.

But the people who hate Bush started with Molly Ivins (”Shrub”) that Chait guy, and tons and tons of notables in and out of show business.

It’s OK to hate Bush — many people (on the left, of course, don’t even believe he was elected either time! What’s not to hate?

Even though Clinton treated the White House like it was a finished basement, and his Mama wasn’t home, he was considered to be elected — even by the most rabid of right – wingers. I thought he was full of it in 1991 when the campaign began, and I still do today. I wonder how he got elected — the same way you’ll wonder how Condi Rice got elected (Hee, hee!) — but he did get elected.

Nobody is saying “I disagree with him, but he is our President”, on the left , anyway, because there are people who believe he “isn’t our President.”

So the question I have is: Miller is apparently sacrificing Libby to protect another source. Who is that other source?

Another question: back to the “best evidence” principle — why the hell didn’t Robert Novak face the same situation as Miller? He’s the one who broke the story; Miller never published a goddamned thing.

J.

Let me try – Don’t listen to Dugger1, he is just a freedom hater.

BTW as we speak there are new reports that Plame was already fully compromised well before Novak.

Dugger Im Off for the week end

You seem to believe people who have never served one nanosecond in the CIA–at any time–over folks who have served (and are serving) as covert agents. Your weasely excuse is that they “hate” Bush (unsubstantiated) and haven’t been with the CIA within the last 5 seconds.

Yet, you can’t seem to produce one person who meets your criteria (loves Bush, has served as covert agent in CIA within the last 5 seconds) who will say undercover agents don’t work at Langley.

And, no…you have no clue how it works.

Dugger

Who to believe?

Someone who has been an actual, Honest-to-Jeebus, agent (BTW, one of the signers is still an active agent) or someone who has been wrong about most everything (you)?

Hmmmm.

That is an article by a group of embittered Bush haters. It refuted NOTHING. I said active agents on undercover assignment. Your political hacks stated officers working at the CIA are often undercover – meaning they have a classified identity or are working on classified projects. Huge difference. Agents in the field don’t come back into Langley any more than possible. C’mon. You must be smarter than that. BTW, Johnson got out of the CIA over a decade ago.

Dugger

This has been refuted numerous times.

Most effectively, here

Actually Jade is correct here. The CIA is a massive organization. The huge majority of employees would not be agents of the type typically depicted in popular culture. In fact, if they are an active agent on undercover assignment, they likely would never be seen at Langley. The CIA does lots and lots of correlative analysis involving mind numbingly tedious tracking of people and things over time. There are contractor employeess at the CIA. And it is neither productive nor very possible to survey (secretly) employees coimng out of the “gate”. Still something of this nature could ultimately be done – but it would be costly and not productive- for reason above.

Dugger

The fact is if someone followed Ms Plame to and from the CIA each day for 5 years, they’d already have a strong suspicion she was an agent prior to following her. And, even so, that she went to the CIA each day doesn’t mean she was an agent–after all, the CIA HQ holds over 10, 000 employees, contractors, and others–not all of whom are agents.

I prefer the term “Clenis.”

However, I think it is wasted on the Con apologists. If a liberal said the sun was shining, and showed you the sunny day, the cons would say it is raining and blame it on Clinton’s penis.

Moe Berg was a catcher for the Chisox in the ’20s – ’30s.
He also happened to be a very effective spy for the precursor of the CIA during that time. His work greatly helped us when we went to war against Japan.

But since all those millions of baseball fans knew his identity, I guess it wouldn’t have been a big whoop to you if someone — maybe a government official out to discredit his spouse — revealed to the world he was a spy.