Comments on: Howard Dean Was Right. Again.

By: Erica

Erica — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:09:00 +0000

Armando from DailyKos read the indictment and he says that he believes that Delay struck a plea bargain with Earle. He says that Delays’s attorney advised him to waive the statute of limitations on criminal conspiracy, which had already expired.
Armando argues that the only reason you waive something like that is because they have a much bigger charge with a stiffer sentence and a longer statute of limitations that they are threatening to throw at you.
Armando believes that Delay will end up pleading no contest to the charges. And then bye bye Delay.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:09:05 +0000

Correct, but well after he had been beaten at the ballot box.

The indictment came before the election defeat. Also before the election defeat: he was forced out as chairman of the Ways and Means committee.

By: JD

JD — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:09:07 +0000

Quaker : Correct, but well after he had been beaten at the ballot box.

TomY : Sure, I chose my side. If he is convicted, he should be punished according to the applicable law. How is that so difficult to comprehend ?

By: Zappa

Zappa — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:09:55 +0000

So much fun to watch them squirm and wiggle…heh…
It sucks being right, because if we were wrong we would have a better country then we do…now we have money grubbing forked tounged politicos grabbing anything they can…

Throw out all the bums Red and Blue.

By: TomY

TomY — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 01:09:42 +0000

Bullshit, JD. All these trolls giving DeLay a pass on corruption, and you have nothing to say to them just as a coincidence? You chose your side when you entered this thread to troll against Democrats. If you had any integrity, you’d be over at littlegreenfootballs or freerepublic educating your brethren.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:09:44 +0000

He never stepped down, was never pushed aside by his party.

Uh, JD? Rostenkowski went to prison.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:09:59 +0000

Heaven forbid one look back at the multitude of congressional scandals last time the Dems were in charge.

By: JD

JD — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:09:57 +0000

TomY : You are correct. Heaven forbid one look back at the multitude of congressional scandals last time the Dems were in charge. Pure as the driven snow, they were.

By: JD

JD — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:09:52 +0000

That is one good example, Quaker. He never stepped down, was never pushed aside by his party. Probably the only reason he is no longer in Congress is some political neophyte ran against him and the ballot box got him out of office.

TomY – You fancy yourself, huh? Corruption is wrong, period. Nothing I have said belies that sentiment. You can try to put words into my mouth, and I am sure that Ms. Cleo, Sadie, et al will congratulate you for being so cute, but you have to knowingly misrepresent what I said in order to do so.

By: TomY

TomY — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:09:16 +0000

Shorter JD: When Democrats are corrupt, I’m against it. When Republicans are corrupt, I’m even MORE against Democratic corruption.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:09:03 +0000

Hey! Where’s the rest of my comment?

You mean like Dan Rostenkowski, JD? What ever happened to that guy?

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:09:53 +0000

He s an amiable guy with kooky views but not a mouthbreather.

Gee, you wouldn't know that by reading ... OliverWillis.com.

By: rainlion

rainlion — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:09:45 +0000

TomY, you’re saying that the Dems have never done… nor would be capable of doing something similar? As I said, the only diff is that Delay and CO. got it down to a science… albeit one suited to the particular environment at hand… but given enough time, similar pressures/rewards, etc. – the Dems would’ve made the same evolutionary leap. It’s just intelligent design, and natural selection – fancy that.

By: TomY

TomY — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:09:44 +0000

Frankly, RainLion, I just think it’s a waste of time to make excuses on the basis of an alternate universe in which the Democrats control Congress for the past 10 years. Ooh, look at those nasty, corrupt, non-existent counterfactual Dems! If you actually cared about corruption, you would be arguing against it, not making excuses for it.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:09:34 +0000

Ho hum.

Here’s a summary for the thick-witted:

Farris led off, quoting (partially) Rich Lowry:

Of course, DeLay hasn t been plausibly accused of any crimes, (let alone indicted for one, and his offenses are alleged violations of House rules, which don t carry jail time.)

The portion in parens is the part Farris chose to leave out.

When Lowry wrote this, his meaning was clear: Howard Dean says DeLay should be in jail, but nobody has even accused him of a crime and as a result of that he hasn’t been indicted. Lowry makes a neat little hierarchy of guilt: accusation, indictment, conviction.

Well, now that’s all changed. Not only has DeLay been “plausibly accused” of criminal conspiracy, a grand jury has now indicted him. In Lowry’s hierarchy of terms, “indictment” would be evidence of a plausible accusation, but not evidence of guilt.

Whatever is or isn’t included in the text of the indictment is irrelevant in Lowry’s earlier defense of DeLay. The way he described it at the time, the indictment follows a “plausible” accusation.

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:09:59 +0000

While Oliver and the rest of the Left brag about bagging DeLay, they seem to have casually forgotten that we have a new Chief Justice, who despite overwhelming opposition from the “reality-based community”, garnered 78 votes.

THAT’S why Republicans are winning. We’re more interested in the Big Picture.

By: dugger1

dugger1 — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:09:56 +0000

You can get a ham sandwich “indicted”. So sayeth a NY Court of Appeals judge.

Dugger

By: Teddy Feces

Teddy Feces — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:09:52 +0000

Well then call Tommy “Ham Sandwich” Delay a ham sandwich, cause his ass got indicted.

By: TomY

TomY — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:09:50 +0000

The Big Picture = taking massive amounts of money from companies in order to pass legislation they like, regardless of its effects on the middle class and poor.

By: JD

JD — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:09:21 +0000

Is this the same Howard Dean that could not bring himself to say that Osama was guilty, and yet has no qualms about proclaiming DeLay’s guilt from the mountaintop?