’)Yesterday Bennett said “[Y]ou could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down”
Harry Reid, Democratic leader: “I am appalled by Mr. Bennett s remarks and call on him to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to recover from two devastating Hurricanes, now is the time to help one another, not feed the fires of racism. America can do better. The Republican Party has recently taken great pains to reach out to the African American community, and I hope that they will be swift in condemning Mr. Bennett s comments as nothing short of callous and ignorant. They are reminiscent of a time our nation is still struggling to overcome. Again, I call on him to issue an immediate apology to the nation for his insensitive remarks.”
It’s clear: Bill Bennet doesn’t care about black people.
UPDATE: Rep. Conyers says Salem Communications must take action, while Rep. Pelosi spoke on the floor:
I urge President Bush to renounce this statement, and I call on Secretary Bennett to apologize. I encourage my Republican colleagues to join me on the floor to reject these words and to speak for a future of tolerance and equality. I invite Secretary Bennett and other Republicans to join Democrats in creating solutions to national problems and meeting national needs.
These words are a direct hit at our children. Secretary Bennett is a writer. He knows that words have power. He knows how powerful these particular words are. An apology is definitely in order and a rejection of these remarks is also in order from the President of the United States.
>> Dean Calls on Republican Leadership to Repudiate Bill Bennett’s Racist Remarks
“Bill Bennett’s hateful, inflammatory remarks regarding African Americans are simply inexcusable. They are particularly unacceptable from a leader in the conservative movement and former Secretary of Education, once charged with the well being of every American school child. He should apologize immediately. This kind of statement is hardly compassionate conservatism; rather, Bennett’s comments demonstrate a reprehensible racial insensitivity and ignorance. Are these the values of the Republican Party and its conservative allies? If not, President Bush, Ken Mehlman and the Republican Leadership should denounce them immediately as hateful, divisive and worthy only of scorn.”
He said a dumb, stupid, idiotic thing, and should be criticized for same.
I’m sorry, did I miss where Nagin said that if every white baby were aborted, the incidence of serial killers in a society would be zero. Did I miss where Farrakhan was Secretary of Education under Clinton.
Tell me, what Democrat embraces Farrakhan the way Republicans embrace Bennett.
Bill Bennett should be radioactive at this point. But he won’t, because conservatives everywhere are secretly applauding his remarks.
WTF does Harry Reid have to do with Louis Farrakhan? Are you completely stupid now? And does this mean that you think Bill Bennett is no better than Louis Farrakhan?
Hey, remember when Republicans were making that weird claim that every time a Democrat used the term ‘neocon,’ it was a secret code word for anti-semitism? And yet when their own moral arbiter says outright racist shit like this, Dugger leaps into action to defend him. Every time Dugger is presented with a clear moral choice about whether to defend a immoral Republican, his instict is to change the subject to Democrats. It’s called “southern honor,” Duggs. Look into it.
Dugger -
Don’t even try that bullshit on this. First off, as Oliver suggests, just how far do you want to spread Bennett’s stink? If Bennett’s equivalent is Louis Farakhan let’s not forget that Bennett is a leading figure in conservative political and cultural thought. He is not some marginal and marginalized figure. He is a frequent and welcome commentator on a number of Fox News shows not to mention REPUBLICAN fundraisers and events. If Bennett is akin to Farakhan you just positioned a radical, racist demagogue at the heart of American conservativism. Nice going. Any conservatives here care to refute this?
Second, only an idiot would qualify the need to condemn what Bennett said. I’m standing pretty firm on this. If you agree with Bennett’s premise step up and say so. If you want to defend what Bennett said, step up and do it. Put your cards on the table so we know where you stand. Don’t try to feint or dodge the implications of Bennett’s ideas by trying to change the subject.
Third, as for your Nagin comments: “Exaggerate much?” As Al says I don’t recall hearing Nagin make a hypothetical case for genocide.
What outrageous statements? What statements? When? Who? And why do I need to condemn Farakhan (not a democrat I will add) before I can get your permission to condemn Bennett? Fuck that.
TomY – I have nothing to prove to you. Zero. Zip. Nada.
frameone – How would you explain the fact that outrageous statements made by Democrats seem to be tolerated then?
The burden of proof is on you, JD. Put up or shut up.
Are you talking about Farrakhan? Please, PLEASE show me a time when I trolled on over to a right wing blog to defend Farrakhan, and then you’ll have some equivalence. Until then, go read the Drudge Report or Powerline, where the sun is shining, birds are singing, and there’s no mention of Delay’s indictment, Bennet’s racism, and no U.S. soldiers ever tortured anyone at all.
JD –
There’s no point in addressing that kind of comment. If Dugger wants to defend Bennett he’s a grown up a boy and he can do it himself. But to turn around and suggest that Reid — any one of us — has to tick off a list of every nut in America that he also condemns before he can get to Bennett is disingenuous bullshit. In a case like this you get two choices: You support Bennett’s premise or you condemn it. Gee, that sounds positively Bushian, doesn’t it?
“TomY – I have nothing to prove to you.”
That’s only because you don’t have anything you CAN prove, just assertions. Keep it up!
That should “We all agree that racist comments such as these are to be condemned no matter who speaks them. But that also isn t enough.”
frameone : I was not referencing Bennett’s comments on their substance, which I abhor. Strong enough word for you. I simply posited that offensive comments, when spoken by people in your own ideological persuasion, are not called to task. I believe they ALL should be called to task, not just those uttered by those that we have political differences with.
I was talking about your comment JD. We are not discussing the hypocrisy of party politics here. Were discussing Bennett’s racist comments and what to do about it. We all agree that racist comments such as these are to be condemned no matter who speaks them isn’t enough. Now, in this instance, pressure needs to be put on Bennett to step up and take responsibility for what he said specifically.
I do not agree with anything Bennett says, the reactions to it are interesting. Republicans across the board are called out to immediately repudiate what was said, and some of us have done so. However, when patently offensive comments are spoken by individuals that support your own ideological views, they are ignored. Why is that?
And JD, Don’t come back here with some crap about Dean said this or Dean said that. Neither Dean nor Reid nor any other Dem that I know of has ever come close to suggesting anything like the hypothetical extermination of the black babies as a way to reduce crime. It doesn’t matter that Bennett wouldn’t actually advocate it or do it because he went on to say that it would work just as he described. That’s insane on so many levels it’s hard to know where to begin but starting with its inherent racism is enough.
“I simply posited that offensive comments, when spoken by people in your own ideological persuasion, are not called to task. I believe they ALL should be called to task, not just those uttered by those that we have political differences with.”
Is there anything stupider than the take-no-sides phony moral high ground?
Without getting into Bennet’s remarks, let me say that being criticized by some Democrats is hardly “being in hot water.”
I’ll speak for all liberal Democrats when I condemn Democrats for their statements, to the extent that they offended anyone.
I think what makes many so angry at certain conservatives is their arrogant and recalcitrant hypocrisy.
BTW;
We don’t hate Bennet. We hate the sin.
neocon you crack me up.
Guys, guys, please …
It’s Louis Eugene Wolcott, not Louis Farrakhan. Or you may refer to him as “The Charmer,” if you prefer.
We only use birth names on this blog, remember?
JD,
Point out a comment as outrageous as Bill Bennett’s from the Dem side and I will condemn it. And I don’t mean some silly comparison somebody made between XYZ and the Nazis. Dems do that sometimes and are stupid for doing so. Republicans do it too (Santorum) and are equally stupid. But those are just cases of trying too hard to condemn somebody. The only equivalence would be if a prominent Democrat said, casually, “If we executed all religious people there would be no terrorism,” or something as ludicrous. So tell me where a prominent Democrat uttered such a line (and meant it) and I’ll condemn it.
Bennet was only giving voice to Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger’s philosophy of eugenics. Bennet said such a proposition was “morally reprehnsible”. I don’t think Sanger ever said that.
DY
Tell me where Bennett uttered such a line and meant it, Elrod.
And, further, you know as well as I do that even Oliver, not to mention countless others have call the religious right in this country, “America’s Taliban”, the Catholic Church is accused of being infested with child molesters, when there have been how many cases? A dozen? Two dozen? How many priests are there? Italians are, to this day, portayed as goofballs or gangsters in movies and on televison. Any apologies? Nope.
elrod, some of us have been through this with JD on another thread already. Despite his lofty tone, the only contribution he really has to make with regards to the question of Race in America is, “liberals are mean.”
He is not interested in actual discussion.
Yeah, semanticleo, Orcinus nails it. “Eliminationist rhetoric.”
I remember another time, another country where a corrupt, inept government distracted the people from looking too closely at its failures by telling them, “the problem with our country is Those People. They are diseased and degenerate. They corrupt our youth and despise our religion. They are not patriotic.”
Things didn’t turn out so well for that country.
So now Bennett, former Republican Sec. of Education, ain’t no Republican no more. And Republicans don’t solidly control all branches of government. And don’t own a huge concentration of media.
SadieB: and Leo: Are you kidding me? Now Bennett’s in the vanguard of a movement to take over the country? Puhleeeze!
Spare me the melodrama…
Frank_D and Dugger,
I understand the reason for the back and forth on this comment page. Everyone plays the partisan game in public, but I really can’t believe that somewhere deep down you don’t think that Bennet made a stupid remark. Even as a hypothetical, it was stupid. Many people relegate the “backlash” that comes after misstatements as people being too “PC”, but I would say the average American would raise his eyebrows upon hearing this remark being uttered in a restaurant, bar, or office setting. I really don’t think that asking for Democrats or liberals to apologize or repudiate Farakhans remarks is really applicable…especially along party lines. I don’t consider Farakhan to be liberal at all. As a matter of fact, I think he, David Duke, and Metzger would agree on more thing than they would disagree with. Certainly you don’t think Duke is a liberal do you? When Michael Moore runs off at the mouth, there are a host of liberals who sigh and roll their eyes, personally I have on my meager site. So please, don’t feel that you need to circle the wagons around Bennett. This isn’t a Republican/Democrat issue, this is an issue about stupidity and lack of regard.
According to conservatives, Farrakhan is a liberal because he’s black. That can be the only explanation as to why Farrakhan is invoked as some sort of Democratic torch bearer on this thread.
The mentality that black people are predisposed to crime is part and parcel of conservative ideology. Once in a while, it bubbles to the surface, and conservatives betray themselves by defending the indefensible.
At least Bennett didn’t say black babies were articulate.
Leo: Your pseudo eloquence reminds me of your rhetorical forebear — “Slip” Mahoney
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Tim Graham of the NRO whining once again about the “Bad old Liberal Media doesn’t Play Fair, sniffle, sniffle”
Does he remember ‘Swift Boats”?
E: BENNETT AND THE BROCKLINGS [Tim Graham]
I think the fascinating thing about the Bennett story (and it IS a news story, in the WashPost and AP and ABC) is how effortlessly a Media Matters scooplet like this goes from David Brock-land to Democratic press secretaries to the media “mainstream.” Can you imagine an MRC or AIM transcript moving so effectively from Republican press release to Washington Post? No. That’s why they’re called the liberal media.
Then there’s the whole issue of black leaders like Jesse Jackson Jr. taking offense. The media clearly does not respond when black leaders like Julian Bond say conservatives are a racist “crazed swarm of right-wing locusts.” Or when Al Gore pandered to them by suggesting conservatives “use colorblind the way duck hunters use their duck blind. They hide behind it and hope the ducks won t figure out what they re up to.” Those quotes didn’t make the news pages of the Post.
Posted at 09:21 AM
Oliver blusters:
“WTF does Harry Reid have to do with Louis Farrakhan. harry Reid saying ”
Pardon me, but contextually an idiotic question. You just posted Reid saying republicans had to address Bennett’s comments. Bennet was speaking for himself. Farrakhan like you, Reid and Pelosi, is an irrational, industrial strength Bush hater a clear Democratic ally. Nagins a Democrat. So if Bennet makes a statement that Repubs must repudiate, why don’t Dems/progressives need to repudiate Nagins and Farrakhan? Or maybe you inexplicably posted remarks from reid you can’t defend. And after Farrakhan, we need to hear from Dems on John Wayne Gacy. Where’s my apology?!!!!
frame,
You well know that that extremists and sometimes politicians make idiotic, mean remarks (Rangel, etc). They should be responsible for those remarks. But their families and their friends and their parties are not responsible for their remarks. If you are honest and have a room tempertture IQ, you must acknowledge that what OW and Reid are doing is dishonest – smearing the party because of an individual action belonging to the party. It is a dirty, crummy smear.
TomY,
Read. Bennet ’s remarks not defended. The ugly smear by OW and Reid of Republicans was exposed. if you condemn Bennet on one level, do you at a lesser level condemn OW and Reid?
Dkel,
OK. It was a stupid, nasty remark by a person who happens to be in R party. I have not noticed any one hear defending the remark. our objection is to the immediate exploitation and follow smears by reid and OW. Why do we condemn the R party? Why not condemn white males/ North Carolinians? All people named Bennet (that d*mned Joan Bennet)? No, OW and Reid used Bennet’s remarks to smear gratutiously a whole group of people. Wouldn’t it have been better if Reid had just condemned the remarks and not tied them to Rs. Same with OW. And if they do that and you and other posters don’t at least recognize this blatant dishonesty, why shouldn’t we lump the remarks of all Bush haters together. Lump all leftist remarks together?
Dugger, Think Clearly First, Emote Second
I like what Diane Rhames just said “If a Liberal had said ‘If George Bush were aborted as a fetus we wouldn’t have this war in Iraq’ the conservatives would have had him crucified.”
“…the conservatives would have had him crucified.
And they would have moved heaven and earth to bring the entire Democratic Party down with him. Hannity and Limbaugh would be on the air everyday demanding that Reid personally apologize to Bush himself before washing Barbara Bush’s feet.
“I have not noticed here anyone defending the remark”
You should have a talk with Frank who seems to think there’s mitigating context for what Bennett said.
To your “Satch”
Dugger –
Once again utter bullshit. The first time you commented on this issue was to shift the focus, cry foul, blame Oliver, everything but actually confront the ugliness of what Bennett said. That’s about as cowardly as it gets in my book.
At the same time, it’s perfectly reasonable to ask where conservatives and Republicans stand on this precisely because Bennett is not a marginal figure, he is not on the outside looking in. He is a figurehead of the conservative movement. He regularly appears in the media and at Republican events representing himself as such. Bennett didn’t just whisper this to a friend after one too many cocktails. He said it on the radio to an audience of listeners who tune in to him because he represents himself as a rational, reasonable conservative thinker. The sentiment and “reasoning” behind what he said needs to be countered and repudiated. It would be great if Bennett would do this himself by publicly apologizing and making some sort of amends. But will he do this if the people closest to him don’t put pressure on him to do so? Even more to the point, will he do so if he feels that his conservative peers don’t care, that it won’t hurt his speakings fees? That’s what this is about. If conservatives can’t or won’t help Bennett help himself I god damn well want to know why. Especially on an issue as sensitive as this when the sentiment expressed is so ugly and hurtful.
Has anyone caught the story on CNN?
get this: Asked if he owed people an apology, Bennett replied, “I don’t think I do. I think people who misrepresented my view owe me an apology.”
Classic wingnut argument. Are we sure Bennet isn’t posting at this site under another name?
Semanticleo, yes I remember very well how the Republicans didn’t want to fight the Nazis. Their burning hatred for FDR, and their business ties to the Reich combined to blind them to the best interest of our country, hell the best interests of the world.
Thank God the liberals won the day back then, we will win this one, too.
What an ass. Misrepresent? He said that black people cause crime. There’s no way around that. Not even Bush thinks so. McClellan just said that the President believes the comments were not appropriate.” So does Bush now owe Bennett an apology?
Frame- if “Reid” said it?
Hell, remember the furor about Ward Churchill? We were supposed to disavow his comments, even though we had not the least connection with his politics.
I’m frankly (ha ha) getting tired of seeing the trolls here defending any action as long as it was a con who did it. Oliver and the rest of us reality-based posters criticize Democrats all the time, in the interest of intellectual honesty.
To borrow a phrase from Teddy, “No soup for you, cons”.
“Democrats are just as accountable for those remarks and actions as Republicans are for Bennet.”
Um, did someone say they weren’t? If Reid got out there and said the same thing I would be taking the same response. Mind you, I would be totally flabergasted that a supposed liberal could or would think to say such a thing but if he did, I would be taking the same line. I wouldn’t be sitting here and saying, oh, ya, well what about that time 50 years ago when McCarthy said that thing about whatever. I mean talk about weak. Hiss? You bring up Alger Hiss? Please. In the quotes Oliver highlights above, Dean and Reid are clearly calling on conservatives and Republicans (ones actually living in the here and now, I might add, not, you know, 50 fucking years ago) to do what any decent person in a leadership position would do when one of their own, ONE OF THEIR OWN, mind you, said something so stupid.
And BTW, if you want to start accussing people of anything let’s come up with some actual quotes, okay? We got a real hum dinger from Bennett. Would you care to read it again? Here you go:
“But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could — if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.”
You want to compare outrages? You got to top this one first, my friend.
frame,
Poor effort. You are the one avoiding the subject of this post, which features remarks from prominent , highly partisan Democrats associating and demanding Rs address Bennet’s remarks. Is that or is that not true? Don’t wiggle? You would like to pretend that Reid and Deano didn’t contextualize the remarks as they did, BUT THEY DID and OW is featuring it.
Now its perfectly resonble for me to ask you what Harry Reid’’s position is on mass murder of gays – since a well known Dmeocrat did that very thing. This in a party with a history of homophobia (see Chambers vs Hiss). Also how about spying for the commies. We need to hear from Deano on that. Democrats and progressives have done that very thing. I htink need an apology on that one, from, say, John Kerry. And now how about recent hateful remarks of Rangel, McKinney, the anti-semitic remarks of her Demo dad. Can we get nancy pelosi to address those. “Ms. Pelosi do all Democrats believe the problem is the J-E-W-S?”
Democrats are just as accountable for those remarks and actions as Republicans are for Bennet.
Dugger
Ah yes, how could I forget my liberal overlord, Ward Churchill. I’ll never forgive myself for signing up to his daily action alert maillist. I blame it on youthful indiscretion.
And furthermore …
” … You would like to pretend thatReid and Deano didn t contextualize the remarks as they did …”
WTF are you talking about? Contextualize? How? The quotes above all say what any reasonable person would say: Bennett’s words are offensive and inappropriate and people of goodwill who are close to Bennett need to let him know this so that we can all move forward. I’m sorry but nowhere do I see anyone of them saying, “See look, this proves all Republicans are racists.” You’re just being, as usual, deliberately obtuse.
All this con handwringing about how unfair it is to characterize Bennett’s remarks as racist-
–And the President himself runs away from the remarks, calling them inappropriate through his Press Secretary.
Lo-ving-it.
Teddy,
Was Billy McKinney, your droid, malfunctioning or working regular?
Dugger
frame,
“If Reid got out there and said the same thing I would be taking the same response”
Whoa!!! Reid!? Democrats and Bush haters did say and do those things I mentioned. Do you conveniently get to decide which politiicans remarks count and which don’t? Out-of power Bill Bennet’s count, but Democrats Mayor Nagins, Representative McKinney and Billy McKinney don’t. And you get to decide the time line too. If it happened in the past Democrats aren’t accountable, but if happened three days ago every Rep is 100% accountable for every other Republican in the world. Isn’t that very nice!!
And I’m confused about who is accountable on your side. You said “supposed liberal’. What about Democrats, ‘non-supposed’ liberals, progressives like Andrew McCrae? What if we decide Bennet is a ’supposed conservative’? Thread over? Pack up and go home?
“The comments followed 11Alive News asking Billy McKinney about his daughter using an old endorsement from former Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young.
“That ain’t nothing. That’s nothing,” he said. “Jews have bought everybody. Jews… J-E-W-S.”
Isn’t it about as bad to suggest that white people secretly conspired to mass murder black people in New Orleans and other places. Is that not reprehensible enough to warrant an explanation or disavowal from mainstream Democrats?
Dugger
I think we are all getting alittle carried away here. Come on people, do we honestly expect to be able to convince the right that one of their droids are malfunctioning.
Dugger,
I’m sorry I didn’t know you were talking about Bill McKinney. Wow. Bill McKinney. Yes, what you quoted certainly is reprehensible. I condemn it. I just wish I knew WHO THE FUCK IS BILL MCKINNEY?!?!?!?!?! Which only proves my point that you’re stretching, reaching here to find anyone of Bennett’s stature on the left who has said anything as fucked up. Reid? Dean? God, even Nagin? Can you give me one direct quote from any of these people that rises to the level of LESS BLACKS=LESS CRIME? I mean seriously.
And come on, with the timeline shit. You seriously want to hold Reid personally responsible for condemning something some Democratc said 50 years ago? I don’t think you even want to open that can of worms, my friend. The concervative record on this kind of stuff is not exactly spotless.
In short, give it up man. As Teddy said, quite hilariously, one of your bots has blown a fuse.
frame,
Precisely!! You are clueless to left wing jerks, but you know all about ‘evil’ right wingers. That you don’t know about Billy McKinney or the problem of anti-semitism on the left proves that your mind is closed. And you don’t know Bennet’s stature on the right, but it suits your purpose to inflate that importance. He is out of power politically. No official position. Cynthia McKinney who believes and has stated George Bush had knowledge of the 9-11 massacre and did nothing to prevent it is an active elected Democratic representative. Nagins, the source for Bush hater, Farrakkhans, villainous puffery about mass murder, is a current elected Democrat big city mayor.
And 50 years. Gacy wasn’t 50 years ago. Mckinney wasn’t 50 months ago. Nagins was 50 days ago. Take your pick but I might find something in the last 50 minutes.
You don’t seem to understand that this thread leads with a charge against Republicans, not against Bennet’s remarks (which some liberals are defending as being misconstrued by idiots on the left), but tacitly against Republicans. Do you have a principal? Mine is that the group is not responsible or accountable for the behavior of one individual. You argue seems to be this principal doesn’t apply becasue you thinks Bennets are worse. Well do you or do you not hold the group accountable for the behavior of the individual?
Dugger
Dugger, your position is that Bennett is a nobody?
Whose signatures are at the bottom of this letter?
Bill McKinney? You mean the guy who made Ned Beattysqueal like a pig?
I said:
” Bennet s stature on the right, but it suits your purpose to inflate that importance. He is out of power politically.”
Quaker said:
“Dugger, your position is that Bennett is a nobody?”
You judge if that is what I said.
BTW Is Nagins a nobody? The McKinney’s? Rangel?
Are the unauthorized, undirected actions of an individual attributable to the group? I guess the answer is ‘yes’ if his politics aren’t to your liking.
Billy Mc? No, I mean the Atlanta Democrat anti-semite as yet unrefuted by Democrats.
Dugger
Dugger
Way OT, but we all need a break
http://www.linkydinky.com/alba.shtml
Yeah, I know. I’ve been trying to Google up the guy you’re talking about but came up empty. All I got was Mr. Squeal-Like-a-Pig and a radio announcer for the Timberwolves.
So give us a link, willya?
Cynthia McKinney’s Dad
http://atlanta.jewish.com/archives/1999/110599cs.htm
Frank can find anything
So where’s the quote Dugger’s been pimping? Don’t see it.
While we’re at it, where’s any indication that Nagin actually said any of that stuff about the levees or that he ever met with Farrakhan? We have Mr. Farrakhan’s word for it. I wasn’t aware he had become a trustworthy source for the right.
Finally, Dugger brought up “Gacy.” Not John Wayne Gacy, I hope. Don’t tell me. He was sitting next to Jimmy Carter at the Dem Convention, right?
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