Have long been aware of FAIR (in Jeff Cohen days). Like Bozells group on right, they are selective and it still all gets down to differing ideas of what constittutes bias. Thats why we can have on this site some liberals saying the NYT is liberally biased and others conservatively biased.

Dugger

Dugger-Thanks for a calm response. The Coulter/Limbaugh schtick (not accusing, just pointing out a general pattern) has no place in this, or any, world. In recommend, as much as it may pain, you go to FAIR, where they actually count how many ‘experts’ come from “conservative” points of view, and vice-versa. It’s quite eye opening. Chomsky does a geat job in a similarly empirical fashion. It’s all 50/50 until someone actually does the lifting, and these guys do the lifting. Also, how do you identify a “radical” environmentalist group? And just what is the “agenda” of these “radical” groups? Just repeating these kinds of things does not make them so, not here, not anywhere (except maybe in rabid, foaming circle jerks of, well, you know…). I’m a socialist (I swear! I took the online test! Here I was, thinking I’m just a good ol’ Dem…), and I read The American Conservative. Great rag, great writing, true-blue conservatives. Highly recommended. Here’s why I say these things: I have NO idea what you’re talking about when you categorize “liberals” as you do. I honestly think Semanticleo is right. You need to talk to some “liberals.” In person.

Funny I talked to you several times about ‘war profiteers” until you finally just said I had to identify what you menat by war profiteers. I even repsoned again. Didn’t hear back, but doesn’t matter. My schedule often precludes me from finishing all conversations.

(And Steven)

Well on bias, as I have often said here, we, me conservative-you liberal, will never agree on what constitutes a display of bias. I believe that you and 9/10s of progressives are blind to leftist bias. That you live in a world where you see things as completely skewed to the right . So you don’t question, say, multi-culturalism, ‘diversity’ as it is practiced, environmental iniitiatives (all are good, all opposition is bad), etc. I believe you believe conservatives and Republicans are morally and intellectually inferior. I could go on for a long time. There is no doubt that you, Joe Liberal, are unable to view the world at all through my eyes. At the same time I acknowledge you probably feel the same re us.

Here are some type of media biase techniques I see: the selection of issues in question – like how the question has been framed re New Orleans as largely one of how badly the federal govrenemnt screwed up; there are many, many more. Another : the assumption that leftists are motivated by noble causes and rightists not; another – the assumption that rightist ethics violations are somehow more serious than those of leftists; that radical fringe statements from the left (Farrakhan, Rangel, etc) are ignored by the MSM, but similar rightist Falwellian statements are featured in the MSM (which major MSM outlet has gone into detail on the Nagins Farrakhan conspiracy theories?). Other techniques of bias: spokesmen selected, pictures used, sources selected (lots of liberal organizations cited as authorities or, say, radical enviro groups treated as if they have no agenda), anonymous sources, much more.

What it all comes down to is that with different world views we talk past each other. My own little weighted roll up of all media outlets showed about a 70% factor in favor of leftist viewpoints. Don’t expect you to accept that. Thats how I see it. And as I have said before, I think CSPAN does a very good unbiased job. Not a final answer, but a good place to start. I would be very unhappty to have you be the sole arbiter of media bias. I assume the opposite is true. Thats why I say, unrealistically, give me 50% and you take 50%. My bet would be after a year you would want the old system, todays sytem, back.

Dugger

I missed that one. Amy wrote it and I thought (before scrolling to the by-line) that Kevin had written it. I Like Kevin, but he tends to be a little too DLC for me.

Do you think there are operatives planted in the leadership? No wish to be paranoid, but we may have our own Mike Brown’s within the party at the very least. At the worst? Dirty tricks? I ask half in jest, but the question could be appropriate.

Jesus. Save us from this guy.

They, the media, don’t need to be brainwashed. They are already convinced that the liberal position is a moral imperative. Same with Hollywood. That moral imperative is so strong, and they know so much better than the poor working schmuck, that sometimes it can lead Dan Rather types to understand that there is a bigger picture, wherein a harmless little forgery serves a higher, more noble cause.

Dugger

You sound more like Ann Coulter everytime you open your mouth.

I am going to ask you for something you don’t like to do. Talk to a liberal.

Define your (stomach in knots now) idea of “Liberal Bias in the Media”

The key word here is ‘liberal’ for definitive purposes. Because semantics will play a part in some of the misunderstandings that occur causing ‘posts ad infinitum’

Can you handle it? I think so. Will you? Uhhhh…..I give it odds of 1 chance in 12.

(Dugger raising hand and waving it in the air enthusiastically)

I know! I know!

‘Yes Dugger”

They have been conditioned by decades of big media bias on their behalf and expected no different now.

BTW who were these liar Guys?

Dugger