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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6954</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger

This strikes me as one of the most incoherent faux-debates I have ever seen.
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<p>This strikes me as one of the most incoherent faux-debates I have ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6953</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LAWYER !!!!!

I guess it&#039;s always the same except when it&#039;s different.  Look forward to our next exchange.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAWYER !!!!!</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s always the same except when it&#8217;s different.  Look forward to our next exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6952</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smeant,

I give you Wikipedia:

A war profiteer is any person or organization that makes profits (rightly or wrongly) from warfare or by selling weapons and other goods to one or even both of the parties at war in their own or in foreign countries.

SO why do you want to punish someone in the right?   If Joe&#039;s Body Armor works their *sses off , three shifts, over time , to get DOD body armor ahead of schedule, I have NO OBJECTION to their making a profit.  God bless &#039;em, in fact.

If they are in the wrong, I think they should be punished acording to existng legal guidelines, which would in turn depend upon the nature of their offense.

Dugger,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smeant,</p>
<p>I give you Wikipedia:</p>
<p>A war profiteer is any person or organization that makes profits (rightly or wrongly) from warfare or by selling weapons and other goods to one or even both of the parties at war in their own or in foreign countries.</p>
<p>SO why do you want to punish someone in the right?   If Joe&#8217;s Body Armor works their *sses off , three shifts, over time , to get DOD body armor ahead of schedule, I have NO OBJECTION to their making a profit.  God bless &#8216;em, in fact.</p>
<p>If they are in the wrong, I think they should be punished acording to existng legal guidelines, which would in turn depend upon the nature of their offense.</p>
<p>Dugger,</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6951</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger;

I can&#039;t make it any easier for you.

How difficult is it for you to define (in your OWN terms, not mine)
war profiteering?

Then tell me whether &#039;disgorgement&#039; is a just punishment for such profiteers.

Let&#039;s say you could, as a federal prosecutor, make the case that Al Gore&#039;s receipt of campaign contributions from China constituted &#039;war profiteering&#039;.

Should he be required to give back some ot the money?  All?  Ten times as much?

For the umpteenth time.  Do you see disgorgment as a just punishment for &#039;war profiteering&quot;  Don&#039;t be afraid of the government cheese.  There is no trap waiting to spring.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t make it any easier for you.</p>
<p>How difficult is it for you to define (in your OWN terms, not mine)<br />
war profiteering?</p>
<p>Then tell me whether &#8216;disgorgement&#8217; is a just punishment for such profiteers.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you could, as a federal prosecutor, make the case that Al Gore&#8217;s receipt of campaign contributions from China constituted &#8216;war profiteering&#8217;.</p>
<p>Should he be required to give back some ot the money?  All?  Ten times as much?</p>
<p>For the umpteenth time.  Do you see disgorgment as a just punishment for &#8216;war profiteering&#8221;  Don&#8217;t be afraid of the government cheese.  There is no trap waiting to spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6950</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger

&quot;First, define the issue for yourself.&quot;

RIIIGGHHHHTTTT!!!   First you whine about nobody responding to a very vague proposition. Then you are asked multiple times by mulitple posters to provide some specifics and you tell us to make YOUR case for you.    Don&#039;t think so.

Dugger, What a very deep man, this deep young man must be.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger</p>
<p>&#8220;First, define the issue for yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>RIIIGGHHHHTTTT!!!   First you whine about nobody responding to a very vague proposition. Then you are asked multiple times by mulitple posters to provide some specifics and you tell us to make YOUR case for you.    Don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Dugger, What a very deep man, this deep young man must be.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6949</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger;

First, define the issue for yourself.

Come up with your own definition of &quot;War Profiteering&quot; My definition is not the issue.

Next, once you have settled on a definition: Does disgorgement of assets seem to be an appropriate punishment?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger;</p>
<p>First, define the issue for yourself.</p>
<p>Come up with your own definition of &#8220;War Profiteering&#8221; My definition is not the issue.</p>
<p>Next, once you have settled on a definition: Does disgorgement of assets seem to be an appropriate punishment?</p>
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		<title>By: dugger1</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6948</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semant,

You have yet to define an issue.

Whats your position on the appropriate punishment for crime?

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semant,</p>
<p>You have yet to define an issue.</p>
<p>Whats your position on the appropriate punishment for crime?</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6947</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We ll get into it in the next thread.&quot;

JD;

Try reading.  It&#039;s the better portion of writing.

Tell your counterparts, Frank and Dugger,  the issue will not go away.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We ll get into it in the next thread.&#8221;</p>
<p>JD;</p>
<p>Try reading.  It&#8217;s the better portion of writing.</p>
<p>Tell your counterparts, Frank and Dugger,  the issue will not go away.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6946</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the spelling ... Actually, that response was fairly enlightening.  Rather than attempting to actually engage in some type of debate, which is what you have been suggesting that you wish to do, it is apparent that you just want to shout down some un-named entity for various illegal and/or immoral transgressions, and disgorge all of the involved individuals without any type of due process, and while you are at it, we should cut off a couple of their fingers, kick their dog, and take their children.

If you want to have a debate, let us have it.  But your childish actions and your intentionally vague ramblings are at best, tiresome.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the spelling &#8230; Actually, that response was fairly enlightening.  Rather than attempting to actually engage in some type of debate, which is what you have been suggesting that you wish to do, it is apparent that you just want to shout down some un-named entity for various illegal and/or immoral transgressions, and disgorge all of the involved individuals without any type of due process, and while you are at it, we should cut off a couple of their fingers, kick their dog, and take their children.</p>
<p>If you want to have a debate, let us have it.  But your childish actions and your intentionally vague ramblings are at best, tiresome.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6945</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you suggesting is engaged in war profiteering ?
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6944</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 02:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD;

For you I recommend the T-h-e T-h-r-e-e S-t-o-o-g-es
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD;</p>
<p>For you I recommend the T-h-e T-h-r-e-e S-t-o-o-g-es</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6943</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Cleo :  How about being a little less intentionally obtuse, and spelling out what you are talking about ?
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6942</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger;

You have demonstrated clarity of thinking in the past.  Don&#039;t quit now.
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<p>You have demonstrated clarity of thinking in the past.  Don&#8217;t quit now.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6941</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, we do not know ... Judging from your prior posts, it appears that you simply ASSUME war profiteering on behalf of some yet to be named entity, and then go off on your rants about how they should be punished.  How about naming them, showing how they are guilty, showing us where they are being prosecuted, and my guess is that we will all be happy to respond.

However, simply because one does not respond to some vauge allusions about some yet to be identified companies engaged in alleged violations of the law does not mean one supports them.  It simply means you appear to be being intentionally vague.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we do not know &#8230; Judging from your prior posts, it appears that you simply ASSUME war profiteering on behalf of some yet to be named entity, and then go off on your rants about how they should be punished.  How about naming them, showing how they are guilty, showing us where they are being prosecuted, and my guess is that we will all be happy to respond.</p>
<p>However, simply because one does not respond to some vauge allusions about some yet to be identified companies engaged in alleged violations of the law does not mean one supports them.  It simply means you appear to be being intentionally vague.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6940</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you are guilty of manipulating the infrastructure of this or any country at the expense of lives for the purpose of gaining more wealth or power, you should be stripped of all you hold dear. Period&quot;

Is &#039;manipulating the infrastructure&#039;, in and of itself, a crime?  Even for the purpose of making money? Don&#039; think so - of course depending on how you define &quot;manipulating infrastructure&quot; (building a bridge?). If it intentionally causes loss of life , I&#039;d say yes its likely a crime and support harsh penalties, even the super sized Fry Daddy.  Even if the offender were the OW-made  notorious Republican oppressor Paris Hilton (why would a good Republican like Mr Hilton give his daughter a d*mn Frenchie name like that?).

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you are guilty of manipulating the infrastructure of this or any country at the expense of lives for the purpose of gaining more wealth or power, you should be stripped of all you hold dear. Period&#8221;</p>
<p>Is &#8216;manipulating the infrastructure&#8217;, in and of itself, a crime?  Even for the purpose of making money? Don&#8217; think so &#8211; of course depending on how you define &#8220;manipulating infrastructure&#8221; (building a bridge?). If it intentionally causes loss of life , I&#8217;d say yes its likely a crime and support harsh penalties, even the super sized Fry Daddy.  Even if the offender were the OW-made  notorious Republican oppressor Paris Hilton (why would a good Republican like Mr Hilton give his daughter a d*mn Frenchie name like that?).</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6939</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW;

Cherry Pickers..  Try not to manipulate the discussion into a huge diversionary debate about protesters.  We KNOW what  we&#039;re talking about here.  Don&#039;t we?  Please don&#039;t insult my intelligence.
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<p>Cherry Pickers..  Try not to manipulate the discussion into a huge diversionary debate about protesters.  We KNOW what  we&#8217;re talking about here.  Don&#8217;t we?  Please don&#8217;t insult my intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6938</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll get into it in the next thread.

This issue is not going away

BTW;

Dugger.  Stop with the republican  persecution complex.

Demo, Indy,  Repub, libertarian, Green, I don&#039;t give a crap what your party loyalty or affiliation.  If you are guilty of manipulating the infrastructure of this or any country at the expense of lives for the purpose of gaining more wealth or power, you should be stripped of all you hold dear. Period

BiPartisan enough for you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll get into it in the next thread.</p>
<p>This issue is not going away</p>
<p>BTW;</p>
<p>Dugger.  Stop with the republican  persecution complex.</p>
<p>Demo, Indy,  Repub, libertarian, Green, I don&#8217;t give a crap what your party loyalty or affiliation.  If you are guilty of manipulating the infrastructure of this or any country at the expense of lives for the purpose of gaining more wealth or power, you should be stripped of all you hold dear. Period</p>
<p>BiPartisan enough for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6937</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semant,

Well if you are going to pin me down.  I support no punishment for Republican war profiteers as long as they exploit mostly widows and orphans.  And the homeless.

And BTW, why not let the laws apply to war profiteers or anti-war demonstrators?   If they break the law they pay the legal price .  If no law is broken, no legal price. That too simple?  Was there a big issue here?  Which &#039;war profiteer &#039; did you have in mind?

Dugger, sheesh
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<p>Well if you are going to pin me down.  I support no punishment for Republican war profiteers as long as they exploit mostly widows and orphans.  And the homeless.</p>
<p>And BTW, why not let the laws apply to war profiteers or anti-war demonstrators?   If they break the law they pay the legal price .  If no law is broken, no legal price. That too simple?  Was there a big issue here?  Which &#8216;war profiteer &#8216; did you have in mind?</p>
<p>Dugger, sheesh</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/24/culture-of-corruption-frist-delay/#comment-6936</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats what I thought
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  We&#039;d be so much better under the scandal-free leadership of the party of ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usschu224436974sep22,0,7846085.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chuck Schumer&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  We&#8217;d be so much better under the scandal-free leadership of the party of &#8230; <a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usschu224436974sep22,0,7846085.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print" rel="nofollow">Chuck Schumer</a>.</p>
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