We never finished our discussion from 9/9 (John Edwards) as to how the driving force behind business decsions is influenced by political opinions and attitudes. If you are talking about typical ‘entertainment’ businesses, it is true that sometimes the ‘liberal’ or ‘independent’ or even ‘rebel’ persona is a an influence, depending on the market.

However, major newspapers and broadcast media are not in the ‘counter-culture’ mode. They are businessmen and I assure you, the board of directors are interested in the stock price and share growth, that is all.

Your conclusion, based on the fact that most businesses are run by college graduates, is that business decsions made by those college graduates is unduly influenced by the ruling hierarchy of Universities. Such professors, as liberals,e are driven by socialist ideology. You don’t give much credit to students for independent thought. Your example of Ben and Jerrys must rank as one ot the all- time greats for “the exception to the rule”

see past post referred to above;

There are two ways to make more money; Money at work(investment0 and people at work(labor force) Labor is the necessary ingredient for investment to grow. This symbiotic relationship has always been  good news/bad news
for both the ownership and labor class. The ownership class is obligated by way of self-interest to maximize profit and minimize expense. It is neither evil or benevolent. It is amoral. If it is necessary to create hardship for the labor class, sobeit. The labor class learns it s own self-interest lesson from management/ownership. They seek to work less and be paid more. They recognize that the energy they spend to create wealth for their employer is the captial for industrial growth.

The governments role in all of this is to referee the playing field and keep the game fair. In turn, the worker, who has medical care, vacation and sick days, and a living wage that will open doors of opportunity for his children remains healthy and more productive for the employer.

The government facilitated the growth of industry in this country with the enactment of labor laws that kept business healthier than it would otherwise have been left to it s own counter-productive labor practices.

Government created wealth that was shared (redistributed?)

Dugger;

Are you a product of our university system?

I impugn my objectivity.

As to corporate America and liberal bias, I think you verge on a common mistake the left and center sometimes make. Which is that since they are big business corporations, ipso facto, they must be conservative.

First of all there are many active liberal, even progressive businesses: Ben and Jerry’s, Progressive Ins., etc.

Second – businesses sell products to the public. It was once said by a guy named Ilych that a capitalist would sell you the rope to hang himself (with). True. Businesses are tuned in to marketing and marketing is tuned into popular culture which is dominated by music, Hollywood and Big Media – which are dominated by leftists. Look who the “idiots” are in commercials 9 times out of 10: white males.

Third. Businesses are run for the most part by college graduates. Even if they are more conservative business majors, their background is the university – a hotbed of monolithic leftist thought.

I’ve had this discussion with progressives before. Often they will agree with some or all of the above but indicate that whats going on is only businesses “letting out a little rope”; that they would really never let anything serioulsy leftist happen. That is another area to discuss.

Dugger

Actually, everyone interested in “bias in the media” should watch the film “Manufacturing Consent”.

This shows you that in no way can agenda-setting media in anyway ever be liberal, at least economically, if not socially also. It is even more true today than 15 years ago when it was made.

In other words, he thinks all newspapers are just whores anyway. This has always been the underlying assumption of right-wing press criticism: if I controlled a newspaper, I’d fill it full of convenient lies, so that’s what the current media must be doing.

I don’t beleive I (perhaps someone else has) impugned your objectivity.

But perhaps you could address; Is there anyone who can say (with a straight face) that corporate america is a bastion of liberal ideology.

Liberal bias from ledger- rats and bottom- line bumpkins? Please

Dugger

Rather sparse, eh?

Frank;

Is there anyone who can say (with a straight face) that corporate america is a bastion of liberal ideology. latimes and wapo are the latest print media to lose their reportage autonomy. Now that everyone is rejoicing about NYTIMES supporting Judith Miller they can also rejoice over the recent financial reverses and downsizing at same.

It is a victory for truth and justice everywhere, that the final arbiter on social issues will rest with the bean counters .

I believe the newspapers are failing because our society is becoming increasingly more willfully ignorant, and more disconnected from any objective reality. (For so long our educational system– primarily in the social sciences– has been so watered down by self-congratulatory ignorance that U.S citizens by and large are allergic to critical thinking and self-reflection.) This means the corporate media, having increasingly become barkers for ever-consolidating corporate interests, have been able to steadily increase their output of pap and propaganda and have all but ceased to perform their duty as the watchdogs of our representative democratic republic. It is a symbiotic cycle directed in a downward spiral.

People like Hinderaker are merely drooling and snapping because they are not happy with the slow hemorrhaging and want to see the swift disembowelment of our pretenses to democracy. Whether or not Hinderaker, or many of those who troll here, are actually high on their own supply or are merely relentless liars and propagandists is another question. Personally, I don’t care. The important thing is that they must be defeated or we can kiss our pretenses goodbye.

Wash. Post again downplayed ex-FEMA director Brown’s inexperience with disaster relief

Wash. Post editorial’s “broad look” at U.S. poverty falsely claimed Bush poverty increases started under Clinton

News outlets described Katrina probe as “bipartisan,” ignored that Democrats will be outnumbered and lack subpoena power

Try reading some time in between fanblogging for Condi.

http://www.nypost.com/

Right on the picture of the front page, it says “25cents”.

Frankie, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Cue Frankie saying “Well by a long time I mean since this morning” or “Well I haven’t bought the paper so I don’t remember”.

There’s plenty of evidence out there. Every time it’s presented, however, you moonbats find some way to dismiss it.

“Because there s a whole organization dedicated to pointing out otherwise with these things called factual evidence (look it up, but I am sure it isn t in the RNC playbook), but that s my freaking day job.”

Do they do that for instances of left-wing bias, too?

No, of course not. That would defeat their raison d’etre.

Where’s the conservative bias in NYT, LAT, WaPo, CNNCNBCMSNBC, ABCCBSNBC?

Rather sparse, eh?

For contrast check out the MRC home page

The New York Post is certainly pushing the NY Daily News to the left, IMHO because the News was unable to compete.

To the point, OIliver’s reference to three conservatie columnists is telling. How would one descibe the remaining bajillion columnists?

If, indeed, the MSM is biased to the left, I don’t see why it should be such a sore point with liberals, who should be happy with that circumstance.

If it is not biased to the left, they should not be upset, but, rather (no pun intended) they should be presenting a veritable torrent of evidence that it is not so.

Oliver can’t seem to find more than one or two news stories a month to back up his claim that news is not liberally biased.

Why is that?

Dugger

Funny how Assrocket doesn’t note how the Washington Times (circ. ~100,000) has never turned a profit; indeed, Rev Moon has sunk over $1bn into that particular propaganda-sheet.