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		<title>By: dugger1</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6879</link>
		<dc:creator>dugger1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does appear that the Davidians either set or caused the fire.  I&#039;m well famliar with it all.  I&#039;m not arguing innocence of Koresh, rather gross stupidity of the government. I&#039;m arguing that with x number of little children in a building and a not very serious offense having been originally committed, Koresh could have been waited out and spared those kids, women and children.  And the goverment is well aware of how quickly burnable things are in Texas. Wood is very dry.  Why screw around with flammables with an idiot like Koresh.  Wait him out, slap in him the slammer and give him extra time for not coming out when he was supposed to.  Koresh is done and many innocent lives saved.

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does appear that the Davidians either set or caused the fire.  I&#8217;m well famliar with it all.  I&#8217;m not arguing innocence of Koresh, rather gross stupidity of the government. I&#8217;m arguing that with x number of little children in a building and a not very serious offense having been originally committed, Koresh could have been waited out and spared those kids, women and children.  And the goverment is well aware of how quickly burnable things are in Texas. Wood is very dry.  Why screw around with flammables with an idiot like Koresh.  Wait him out, slap in him the slammer and give him extra time for not coming out when he was supposed to.  Koresh is done and many innocent lives saved.</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6878</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Koresh and the BDs could have been waited out easily&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read the report, Dugger. Koresh &lt;i&gt;set the joint on fire!&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Koresh and the BDs could have been waited out easily</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the report, Dugger. Koresh <i>set the joint on fire!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6877</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And you are wrong about Newt committing the same offences as Wright.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. Wright was a piker.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And you are wrong about Newt committing the same offences as Wright.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. Wright was a piker.</p>
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		<title>By: dugger1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker,

If you get bored some time, search &quot;october surprise&quot;.  Picture double nought Bush in SR 71 at  night en route to paris etc.  Speaker Foley said the charges (via the aptly named Gary Sick) were so serious, they just had to be investigated.

Re Waco, we may be talking at cross purposes.  It was very. very very poorly done.  Killed a bunch of innocent little children.  Koresh and the BDs could have been waited out easily and put in the legal system.  That was an era when some of our federal law enforcement  went a little overboard IMO.

And you are wrong about Newt committing the same offences as Wright.

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker,</p>
<p>If you get bored some time, search &#8220;october surprise&#8221;.  Picture double nought Bush in SR 71 at  night en route to paris etc.  Speaker Foley said the charges (via the aptly named Gary Sick) were so serious, they just had to be investigated.</p>
<p>Re Waco, we may be talking at cross purposes.  It was very. very very poorly done.  Killed a bunch of innocent little children.  Koresh and the BDs could have been waited out easily and put in the legal system.  That was an era when some of our federal law enforcement  went a little overboard IMO.</p>
<p>And you are wrong about Newt committing the same offences as Wright.</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6875</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senior moment--I&#039;m thinking of Wright, not Foley.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senior moment&#8211;I&#8217;m thinking of Wright, not Foley.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6874</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waco, Dugger?

Geez, even the nutjobs at Newsmax &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/7/21/162504&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; recognized the truth &lt;/a&gt; about that one long ago.

As far as Foley goes, the only thing I remember is how he was railroaded out of office by a pudgy backbencher who later committed the same offences times ten.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waco, Dugger?</p>
<p>Geez, even the nutjobs at Newsmax <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/7/21/162504" rel="nofollow"> recognized the truth </a> about that one long ago.</p>
<p>As far as Foley goes, the only thing I remember is how he was railroaded out of office by a pudgy backbencher who later committed the same offences times ten.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6873</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every one of these  scandals  came to nothing&#039;

True re Vince Foster (our side had some heavy Kool Aid imbibers there - but were there extra official investigations? ).  Not so re Waco, IMO.  That still stinks.  Will stink for along time.  Bad!  Whitewater, Filegate, and Travelgate all had aspects of unofficial wrongdoing - but not criminal on part of major players.

And Quaker, do you remember Speaker Foley, the Democrats and the &quot;October Surprise&quot; investigation?  Prior to all the &quot;gates&quot; and Waco.  That should figure in your litany &quot;scandals&quot;.

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every one of these  scandals  came to nothing&#8217;</p>
<p>True re Vince Foster (our side had some heavy Kool Aid imbibers there &#8211; but were there extra official investigations? ).  Not so re Waco, IMO.  That still stinks.  Will stink for along time.  Bad!  Whitewater, Filegate, and Travelgate all had aspects of unofficial wrongdoing &#8211; but not criminal on part of major players.</p>
<p>And Quaker, do you remember Speaker Foley, the Democrats and the &#8220;October Surprise&#8221; investigation?  Prior to all the &#8220;gates&#8221; and Waco.  That should figure in your litany &#8220;scandals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6872</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see Quaker, for a Republicans, the idea of politicizing a criminal enquiry in order to hurt their opponents is simply beyond the pale. Reason and truth must always prevail!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see Quaker, for a Republicans, the idea of politicizing a criminal enquiry in order to hurt their opponents is simply beyond the pale. Reason and truth must always prevail!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6871</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I might feel differently about this question if concepts like &quot;guilt&quot; and &quot;innocence&quot; mattered. How many different commissions have looked at Waco and determined that the Branch Davidians were the problem? How many times has the case of Vince Foster been reviewed? How much ink and money has been spilled over Whitewater? Over Filegate? Over Travelgate?

Every one of these &quot;scandals&quot; came to nothing, but they still have currency among those who want to make Bill Clinton the wellspring of all evil.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I might feel differently about this question if concepts like &#8220;guilt&#8221; and &#8220;innocence&#8221; mattered. How many different commissions have looked at Waco and determined that the Branch Davidians were the problem? How many times has the case of Vince Foster been reviewed? How much ink and money has been spilled over Whitewater? Over Filegate? Over Travelgate?</p>
<p>Every one of these &#8220;scandals&#8221; came to nothing, but they still have currency among those who want to make Bill Clinton the wellspring of all evil.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6870</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If this had happened in the Clinton White House it would be gavel to gavel coverage.&quot;

What was the name of that former National Security Advisor who walked out of the National Archives with documents in his pants again? The &quot;gavel to gavel coverage&quot; was unrelenting.

And no, two wrongs don&#039;t make a right. If he is proved guilty of wrongdoing, he should be punished no matter where he came from. But like Dugger said, let&#039;s prove him guilty first.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If this had happened in the Clinton White House it would be gavel to gavel coverage.&#8221;</p>
<p>What was the name of that former National Security Advisor who walked out of the National Archives with documents in his pants again? The &#8220;gavel to gavel coverage&#8221; was unrelenting.</p>
<p>And no, two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. If he is proved guilty of wrongdoing, he should be punished no matter where he came from. But like Dugger said, let&#8217;s prove him guilty first.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6869</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I bet they ll blame this on Clinton anyway, to the extent that conservatives even process it. &quot;

Actually, Tom, how about this sequence:  first determine if he&#039;s done something wrong and then, if he did, apportion blame where it will belong, not with Bubba, not with W, but with  Safavian.  I can&#039;t find who his &quot;daddy&quot; is.  He was appointed to GSA in 1993, but has a Republican pedigree and was upgraded by Bush.  He evidently is an Iranian American  and has (supposed) expertise in procurement.

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I bet they ll blame this on Clinton anyway, to the extent that conservatives even process it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Tom, how about this sequence:  first determine if he&#8217;s done something wrong and then, if he did, apportion blame where it will belong, not with Bubba, not with W, but with  Safavian.  I can&#8217;t find who his &#8220;daddy&#8221; is.  He was appointed to GSA in 1993, but has a Republican pedigree and was upgraded by Bush.  He evidently is an Iranian American  and has (supposed) expertise in procurement.</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/20/frog-marching-1600/#comment-6868</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But like Dugger said, let s prove him guilty first. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, that seems fair. After all, that&#039;s how things were done during the Clinton years, isn&#039;t it?

Haw.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But like Dugger said, let s prove him guilty first. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, that seems fair. After all, that&#8217;s how things were done during the Clinton years, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Haw.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet they&#039;ll blame this on Clinton anyway, to the extent that conservatives even process it.
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