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	<description>Like Kryptonite To Stupid</description>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6722</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton was a known pacifist, who turned tail and ran in both Haiti and Somailia. That&#039;s how I know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton was a known pacifist, who turned tail and ran in both Haiti and Somailia. That&#8217;s how I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6721</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prove he wasn t.

Frank;

You made the baseless assertion as though it were common knowledge.

Prove he was.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prove he wasn t.</p>
<p>Frank;</p>
<p>You made the baseless assertion as though it were common knowledge.</p>
<p>Prove he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6720</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why you forgot this paragraph:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Gas prices continued to fall in mid-December, showing no reaction to the air attacks against Iraq - an example of just &lt;b&gt;how big the oil glut is&lt;/b&gt; [emphasis added - fd], according to the publisher of a national gas survey. &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmmm?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why you forgot this paragraph:<br />
<blockquote><i>Gas prices continued to fall in mid-December, showing no reaction to the air attacks against Iraq &#8211; an example of just <b>how big the oil glut is</b> [emphasis added - fd], according to the publisher of a national gas survey. </i> </p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6719</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I get it, when something good happens during a Democratic administration, it&#039;s not their doing, but when something bad happens, it&#039;s their fault.

I don&#039;t understand the relevance of your paragraph- did any US soldiers die in that raid?  Wasn&#039;t that the raid that eliminated what WMD&#039;s were left?

I did notice that since the largest attack ever on US soil, there have been no other terror attacks on US interests, you have me there.

Except the anthrax attacks.  Oh, yea, and the daily car bomb attacks in Iraq.  By the way, what&#039;s that guys name, the leader of Al Queda, I think his name is Bin Laden, did we get him?  How&#039;s he doing?  Didn&#039;t we &quot;smoke him out of his hole&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I get it, when something good happens during a Democratic administration, it&#8217;s not their doing, but when something bad happens, it&#8217;s their fault.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the relevance of your paragraph- did any US soldiers die in that raid?  Wasn&#8217;t that the raid that eliminated what WMD&#8217;s were left?</p>
<p>I did notice that since the largest attack ever on US soil, there have been no other terror attacks on US interests, you have me there.</p>
<p>Except the anthrax attacks.  Oh, yea, and the daily car bomb attacks in Iraq.  By the way, what&#8217;s that guys name, the leader of Al Queda, I think his name is Bin Laden, did we get him?  How&#8217;s he doing?  Didn&#8217;t we &#8220;smoke him out of his hole&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6718</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I should have had a car. And, of course, I should have realized that it was Clinton who kept the price of oil, and, thus, gas, down.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I should have had a car. And, of course, I should have realized that it was Clinton who kept the price of oil, and, thus, gas, down.</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6717</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankie boy, do I have to own you AGAIN?

12/20/98
money.cnn.com/1998/12/20/home_auto/q_lundberg
The weighted average price for all grades of self and full service gasoline fell to just under $1.04 ($1.0355) per gallon, a decline of 1.12 cents per gallon over the past two weeks.
The weighted average price for self service regular fell to 97.54 cents per gallon, a decline of 1.14 cents per gallon.
The cheapest average price for gasoline was Tulsa, Okla., at 75.76 cents per gallon.

Maybe you should have gotten out more.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankie boy, do I have to own you AGAIN?</p>
<p>12/20/98<br />
money.cnn.com/1998/12/20/home_auto/q_lundberg<br />
The weighted average price for all grades of self and full service gasoline fell to just under $1.04 ($1.0355) per gallon, a decline of 1.12 cents per gallon over the past two weeks.<br />
The weighted average price for self service regular fell to 97.54 cents per gallon, a decline of 1.14 cents per gallon.<br />
The cheapest average price for gasoline was Tulsa, Okla., at 75.76 cents per gallon.</p>
<p>Maybe you should have gotten out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6716</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You paid $.80 a gallon in Newark, N.J.? Well, that clinches it...

That must have been the national average. Surely you have evidence for that -- maybe a Polaroid of you at the pump?

And, loopy, I was no longer a boy, before you were born.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You paid $.80 a gallon in Newark, N.J.? Well, that clinches it&#8230;</p>
<p>That must have been the national average. Surely you have evidence for that &#8212; maybe a Polaroid of you at the pump?</p>
<p>And, loopy, I was no longer a boy, before you were born.</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6715</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Frankie boy, in the late 90&#039;s.  In fact in Newark NJ I paid as little as 80c a gallon.  I can understand why you don&#039;t remember, you were too fixated on Clinton&#039;s penis to pay attention to what was going on in the world.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Frankie boy, in the late 90&#8217;s.  In fact in Newark NJ I paid as little as 80c a gallon.  I can understand why you don&#8217;t remember, you were too fixated on Clinton&#8217;s penis to pay attention to what was going on in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6714</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SadieB: The comment I made that referred to the 22nd Amendment included a link to an editorial that mentioned it. Sorry you missed it.

The reason your so-called joke is pointless is because it is not true that Clinton could be President again, unless the new amendment wre specifically written to allow Presidents who had previously been forbidden to run for a third term to now do so. Otherwise, it was forbidden when he was President, and he couldn&#039;t do it now.

Why do you think there&#039;s a &quot;Truman provision: in the 22nd Amendment?

So it&#039;s a stupid, complicated quip, at best...

A joke?

Nah.

Loopy: gas was a $1.00 a gallon? When? in 1988? That was 17 years ago...


Leo: Prove he wasn&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SadieB: The comment I made that referred to the 22nd Amendment included a link to an editorial that mentioned it. Sorry you missed it.</p>
<p>The reason your so-called joke is pointless is because it is not true that Clinton could be President again, unless the new amendment wre specifically written to allow Presidents who had previously been forbidden to run for a third term to now do so. Otherwise, it was forbidden when he was President, and he couldn&#8217;t do it now.</p>
<p>Why do you think there&#8217;s a &#8220;Truman provision: in the 22nd Amendment?</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s a stupid, complicated quip, at best&#8230;</p>
<p>A joke?</p>
<p>Nah.</p>
<p>Loopy: gas was a $1.00 a gallon? When? in 1988? That was 17 years ago&#8230;</p>
<p>Leo: Prove he wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6713</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty clear that Clinton&#039;s reluctance to attack Iraq was based on them not being a real threat, or at least not one requiring ground troops.  They were contained, as we know now.

And 1900 soldiers and about 100,000 Iraqis had their life.  And gasoline was about $1.00 a gallon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear that Clinton&#8217;s reluctance to attack Iraq was based on them not being a real threat, or at least not one requiring ground troops.  They were contained, as we know now.</p>
<p>And 1900 soldiers and about 100,000 Iraqis had their life.  And gasoline was about $1.00 a gallon.</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6712</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton s fearfulness about committing troops on the ground in Iraq was a good thing?

Frank;

What factual data can you provide that Clinton was fearful?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton s fearfulness about committing troops on the ground in Iraq was a good thing?</p>
<p>Frank;</p>
<p>What factual data can you provide that Clinton was fearful?</p>
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		<title>By: Semanticleo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6711</link>
		<dc:creator>Semanticleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank;

Have you abandoned higher threads?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank;</p>
<p>Have you abandoned higher threads?</p>
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		<title>By: SadieB</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6710</link>
		<dc:creator>SadieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And, SadieB, my comment here made a specific reference to the 22nd Amendment&amp; &quot;

I followed that link and you made no reference to the 22nd Amendment whatsoever. You said something about Democrats scratching their heads about &quot;it&quot; happening again, though it wasn&#039;t clear what the &quot;it&quot; was you were talking about. Another stolen election maybe? Another lost war?

So I guess you don&#039;t know what the 22nd Amendment is. It was the one passed by the Republicans after Roosevelt won his fourth term, limiting presidents to two terms. If it hadn&#039;t been for that amendment Clinton would be president today. If we repeal it, he can be president again.

Now you get the joke?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, SadieB, my comment here made a specific reference to the 22nd Amendment&#038; &#8221;</p>
<p>I followed that link and you made no reference to the 22nd Amendment whatsoever. You said something about Democrats scratching their heads about &#8220;it&#8221; happening again, though it wasn&#8217;t clear what the &#8220;it&#8221; was you were talking about. Another stolen election maybe? Another lost war?</p>
<p>So I guess you don&#8217;t know what the 22nd Amendment is. It was the one passed by the Republicans after Roosevelt won his fourth term, limiting presidents to two terms. If it hadn&#8217;t been for that amendment Clinton would be president today. If we repeal it, he can be president again.</p>
<p>Now you get the joke?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6709</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loopy, you&#039;re not seriously suggesting that Clinton&#039;s fearfulness about committing troops on the ground in Iraq was a good thing?

We have yet to discover the depths of Clinton&#039;s left wing pacifism, just as it took us years to discover the same thing about Carter.

They will both end up as veritable footnotes in American history, like Fillmore and Coolidge.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loopy, you&#8217;re not seriously suggesting that Clinton&#8217;s fearfulness about committing troops on the ground in Iraq was a good thing?</p>
<p>We have yet to discover the depths of Clinton&#8217;s left wing pacifism, just as it took us years to discover the same thing about Carter.</p>
<p>They will both end up as veritable footnotes in American history, like Fillmore and Coolidge.</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6708</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people died in the Iraq war under Clinton, Marty?  It&#039;s another one of those numbers that started with 0.  That&#039;s the difference- Clinton &quot;thought&quot; there were WMD&#039;s, but didn&#039;t risk American soldiers.  Bush &quot;thought&quot; there were WMD&#039;s, or at least that&#039;s what he says, and led 1900 American soldiers (and counting) to slaughter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people died in the Iraq war under Clinton, Marty?  It&#8217;s another one of those numbers that started with 0.  That&#8217;s the difference- Clinton &#8220;thought&#8221; there were WMD&#8217;s, but didn&#8217;t risk American soldiers.  Bush &#8220;thought&#8221; there were WMD&#8217;s, or at least that&#8217;s what he says, and led 1900 American soldiers (and counting) to slaughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6707</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe you cons should come up with a better plan for America than  But Bill did it too - especially when he didn t. &quot;

Uh..Loopy? I rarely talk about the former President in refenence or comparison to the current administration, however, this post is specifically about President Clinton, and what he said this weekend, thus it is entirely appropriate to discuss what he says vs. what he said and what happened in the past since he specifically talked about what his administration supposedly did.

Are you saying that what I posted is untrue? Did the exchange between Jackson and Witt not take place? Did the former President, et. al. not say any of those things about WMD in Iraq?

Is that your best response?  &quot;especially when he didn&#039;t&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe you cons should come up with a better plan for America than  But Bill did it too &#8211; especially when he didn t. &#8221;</p>
<p>Uh..Loopy? I rarely talk about the former President in refenence or comparison to the current administration, however, this post is specifically about President Clinton, and what he said this weekend, thus it is entirely appropriate to discuss what he says vs. what he said and what happened in the past since he specifically talked about what his administration supposedly did.</p>
<p>Are you saying that what I posted is untrue? Did the exchange between Jackson and Witt not take place? Did the former President, et. al. not say any of those things about WMD in Iraq?</p>
<p>Is that your best response?  &#8220;especially when he didn&#8217;t&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: rightisright</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6706</link>
		<dc:creator>rightisright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we really wanted to do it right, we would have had lots of buses lined up to take them out,&quot; Clinton.

BINGO, Billy Jeff!!!!

Now, for the bonus round.  On WHOSE shoulders did that responsibility fall?  Here&#039;s a hint:  Their party&#039;s symbol is a Jackass.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we really wanted to do it right, we would have had lots of buses lined up to take them out,&#8221; Clinton.</p>
<p>BINGO, Billy Jeff!!!!</p>
<p>Now, for the bonus round.  On WHOSE shoulders did that responsibility fall?  Here&#8217;s a hint:  Their party&#8217;s symbol is a Jackass.</p>
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		<title>By: mr.curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6705</link>
		<dc:creator>mr.curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And THAT is just Bill Clinton. If George Bush lied, then what about all of these and these.&lt;/i&gt;

However, only one of these presidents presented these &quot;lies&quot; before congress, and only one of these presidents ever committed troops in Iraq based on those lies. So, if they both &quot;lied&quot; then one has blood on his hands on the other does not.

Silly how a few thousand American soldiers being killed, and tens of thousands more Iraqi civilians, really changes the equation, at least to the &quot;reality-based&quot; community.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And THAT is just Bill Clinton. If George Bush lied, then what about all of these and these.</i></p>
<p>However, only one of these presidents presented these &#8220;lies&#8221; before congress, and only one of these presidents ever committed troops in Iraq based on those lies. So, if they both &#8220;lied&#8221; then one has blood on his hands on the other does not.</p>
<p>Silly how a few thousand American soldiers being killed, and tens of thousands more Iraqi civilians, really changes the equation, at least to the &#8220;reality-based&#8221; community.</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6704</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except your reference from Wikipedia reflects someone&#039;s OPINION, while my cite reflects OBJECTIVE FACT.

Maybe you cons should come up with a better plan for America than &quot;But Bill did it too&quot;- especially when he didn&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except your reference from Wikipedia reflects someone&#8217;s OPINION, while my cite reflects OBJECTIVE FACT.</p>
<p>Maybe you cons should come up with a better plan for America than &#8220;But Bill did it too&#8221;- especially when he didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/18/get-off-my-plane/#comment-6703</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill is grandstanding again. His toadies probably said, &quot;Hey, Bill, you don&#039;t want to look like you were getting friendly with a Republican (EEEeeewww!), so, as soon as this Katrina BS is over, say some nasty things about them.
And since Bill is all about asking his toadies, &quot;Who &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; I today?&quot; He does what they say.

And, SadieB, my comment &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/10/the-fall-of-george-w-bush-and-how-to-make-it-happen/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; made a specific reference to the 22nd Amendment...
Is that where you stole your joke?
(Is it really a joke if it makes absoluteley &lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt; sense?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill is grandstanding again. His toadies probably said, &#8220;Hey, Bill, you don&#8217;t want to look like you were getting friendly with a Republican (EEEeeewww!), so, as soon as this Katrina BS is over, say some nasty things about them.<br />
And since Bill is all about asking his toadies, &#8220;Who <i>am</i> I today?&#8221; He does what they say.</p>
<p>And, SadieB, my comment <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/10/the-fall-of-george-w-bush-and-how-to-make-it-happen/#comments" rel="nofollow">here</a> made a specific reference to the 22nd Amendment&#8230;<br />
Is that where you stole your joke?<br />
(Is it really a joke if it makes absoluteley <b>no</b> sense?)</p>
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