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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5730</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you weren&#039;t implying that I read LGF (or Jesus&#039; General) then I was mistaken -- about you.

Your post was also meaningless -- to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you weren&#8217;t implying that I read LGF (or Jesus&#8217; General) then I was mistaken &#8212; about you.</p>
<p>Your post was also meaningless &#8212; to me.</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5729</link>
		<dc:creator>buma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amount of stereotyping you lefties do is unbelievable. You guys tell me what I read, what I watch on TV, what I listen to on the radio, and yet you re always wrong.  -- so says Frank_D.

Having read my own post and then reading yours, I have to say you are doing the stereotyping. I did not say what you read, watch or listen to.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of stereotyping you lefties do is unbelievable. You guys tell me what I read, what I watch on TV, what I listen to on the radio, and yet you re always wrong.  &#8212; so says Frank_D.</p>
<p>Having read my own post and then reading yours, I have to say you are doing the stereotyping. I did not say what you read, watch or listen to.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5728</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 03:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blamebush.typepad.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BlameBush&lt;/a&gt; is funnier than either of them.

Not for any particular reason, but I don&#039;t read Little Green Footballs, unless I read something that links to it.

The amount of stereotyping you lefties do is unbelievable. You guys tell me what I read, what I watch on TV, what I listen to on the radio, and yet you&#039;re always wrong. Do you think that your inability to fathom the conservative mind is why you keep losing election after election?

It is worth thinking about, IMHO.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, <a href="http://blamebush.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">BlameBush</a> is funnier than either of them.</p>
<p>Not for any particular reason, but I don&#8217;t read Little Green Footballs, unless I read something that links to it.</p>
<p>The amount of stereotyping you lefties do is unbelievable. You guys tell me what I read, what I watch on TV, what I listen to on the radio, and yet you&#8217;re always wrong. Do you think that your inability to fathom the conservative mind is why you keep losing election after election?</p>
<p>It is worth thinking about, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5727</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So frameone likes to go around provoking physical confrontations during election cycles.  Nice.

&quot;If you and I ever met on the other hand ...&quot;  For what seems to be intended as some kind of chest thumping threat, I have to admit I am now terrified.  I might have to change my name, move, and create a new identity.  How sad that when you cannot participate in a discussion that you fee thel need to resort to mindless threats, or even physical confrontation.

I doubt I would be able to vocalize half of my &quot;stupid shit&quot;, because I routinely have these conversations with my liberal friends, and in the end, tend to just get talked over while they all nod their heads in agreement.  I suspect that I would be far more civil than most of the people.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So frameone likes to go around provoking physical confrontations during election cycles.  Nice.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you and I ever met on the other hand &#8230;&#8221;  For what seems to be intended as some kind of chest thumping threat, I have to admit I am now terrified.  I might have to change my name, move, and create a new identity.  How sad that when you cannot participate in a discussion that you fee thel need to resort to mindless threats, or even physical confrontation.</p>
<p>I doubt I would be able to vocalize half of my &#8220;stupid shit&#8221;, because I routinely have these conversations with my liberal friends, and in the end, tend to just get talked over while they all nod their heads in agreement.  I suspect that I would be far more civil than most of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5726</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mouse: I didn&#039;t say I was funny -- I said you weren&#039;t!

Loopy, where would they perform? Certainly not on the All - Bush - bashing, all - the - time, Comedy Channel...

And I think Ann Coulter is very funny, but she doesn&#039;t do stand - up...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse: I didn&#8217;t say I was funny &#8212; I said you weren&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Loopy, where would they perform? Certainly not on the All &#8211; Bush &#8211; bashing, all &#8211; the &#8211; time, Comedy Channel&#8230;</p>
<p>And I think Ann Coulter is very funny, but she doesn&#8217;t do stand &#8211; up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5725</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Loopy, torture can be fun: Ever see Monty Python&#039;s &quot;Spanish Inquisition&quot; skit...

I forgot, liberals never laugh; they&#039;re on a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/sowell3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mission from Gaia&lt;/a&gt;!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Loopy, torture can be fun: Ever see Monty Python&#8217;s &#8220;Spanish Inquisition&#8221; skit&#8230;</p>
<p>I forgot, liberals never laugh; they&#8217;re on a <a href="http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/sowell3.html" rel="nofollow">mission from Gaia</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5724</link>
		<dc:creator>buma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank--
Jesus&#039; General is funnier than Coulter. Of course your own sense of humor is more likely on a par with some of the LGF snots in the General&#039;s post:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_patriotboy_archive.html#112634122175667925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_patriotboy_archive.html#112634122175667925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_patriotboy_archive.html#112634122175667925&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank&#8211;<br />
Jesus&#8217; General is funnier than Coulter. Of course your own sense of humor is more likely on a par with some of the LGF snots in the General&#8217;s post:<br />
<a href="http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_patriotboy_archive.html#112634122175667925" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_patriotboy_archive.html#112634122175667925" rel="nofollow">http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_patriotboy_archive.html#112634122175667925</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5723</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 04:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...it s only the conservatives who joke?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;re not dour Frank, we just don&#039;t think you&#039;re funny.  There is a difference.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;it s only the conservatives who joke?</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;re not dour Frank, we just don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re funny.  There is a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5722</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 04:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, just think of all those funny wingnut comedians- there is-------ok, noone.  Most people don&#039;t think that torturing Americans for speaking out against the VP is all that funny.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, just think of all those funny wingnut comedians- there is&#8212;&#8212;-ok, noone.  Most people don&#8217;t think that torturing Americans for speaking out against the VP is all that funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5721</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SadieB -- You humorless, pathetic fool...

It was a joke, idjit!

Stop being such a dour left - winger, and get a clue!

Didja ever notice that as sarcastic and nasty and insulting as the lefties get on these threads, it&#039;s only the conservatives who joke?

That&#039;s because we&#039;re just living our lives, we&#039;re not on a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/sowell3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mission from God&lt;/a&gt;!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SadieB &#8212; You humorless, pathetic fool&#8230;</p>
<p>It was a joke, idjit!</p>
<p>Stop being such a dour left &#8211; winger, and get a clue!</p>
<p>Didja ever notice that as sarcastic and nasty and insulting as the lefties get on these threads, it&#8217;s only the conservatives who joke?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because we&#8217;re just living our lives, we&#8217;re not on a <a href="http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/sowell3.html" rel="nofollow">mission from God</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5720</link>
		<dc:creator>buma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe -- Cheney (and where has HE been the past two weeks?) wasn&#039;t guessing the off-camera spokesman was a friend of John, but a friend of Jon. After all, Stewart should ultimately get more mileage from the spokesman&#039;s suggestion than Kerry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe &#8212; Cheney (and where has HE been the past two weeks?) wasn&#8217;t guessing the off-camera spokesman was a friend of John, but a friend of Jon. After all, Stewart should ultimately get more mileage from the spokesman&#8217;s suggestion than Kerry.</p>
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		<title>By: SadieB</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5719</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay JD here&#039;s the difference between you and me -- I don&#039;t respect offices or titles or any of that made-up mumbo jumbo. I respect people, or not, depending on the things they say and do. And no, I wouldn&#039;t swear at Cheney, or Bush for that matter, but I would let them know that I disapprove of what they&#039;ve done to my country. I consider that a matter of duty.

Frank, no it&#039;s not scary it&#039;s just sad. I hope for that $100 you gave to Catholic Charities they throw in a prayer or two for your soul.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay JD here&#8217;s the difference between you and me &#8212; I don&#8217;t respect offices or titles or any of that made-up mumbo jumbo. I respect people, or not, depending on the things they say and do. And no, I wouldn&#8217;t swear at Cheney, or Bush for that matter, but I would let them know that I disapprove of what they&#8217;ve done to my country. I consider that a matter of duty.</p>
<p>Frank, no it&#8217;s not scary it&#8217;s just sad. I hope for that $100 you gave to Catholic Charities they throw in a prayer or two for your soul.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadie B - &quot;I think we all would&quot;.  And you would be wrong.

frameone - you have enough respect for the office of the President to write that President Bush is a &quot;fucking idiot&quot; and post it on the internet, but are unwilling to do so in person because that would show a lack of respect?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadie B &#8211; &#8220;I think we all would&#8221;.  And you would be wrong.</p>
<p>frameone &#8211; you have enough respect for the office of the President to write that President Bush is a &#8220;fucking idiot&#8221; and post it on the internet, but are unwilling to do so in person because that would show a lack of respect?</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5717</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD --

Ya, I&#039;m a coward for confesing that I still hold enough fading respect for the office of president not to call Bush a fucking idiot to his face. You know some people, such as yourself, used to call that civility but I guess any port in a storm, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD &#8211;</p>
<p>Ya, I&#8217;m a coward for confesing that I still hold enough fading respect for the office of president not to call Bush a fucking idiot to his face. You know some people, such as yourself, used to call that civility but I guess any port in a storm, right?</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see there are places I vent and places I don&#039;t. Places I swear and places I don&#039;t. I try to treat everyone I meet with respect even though I might seriously disagree with them. I would have to be right pissed to call someone a fucking idiot to their face -- which I have on numerous occassions, especially during election cycles -- because I know it tends to shut down any further rational discussion and can lead to a more physical confrontation. But as I have been saying, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s entirely inappropriate. Indeed, sometimes massive irrational venting (hopefully without physical violence) is needed to reach new ground. Sometime you have to light a fire to clear away the dead wood, so to speak. The guy who told Cheney to go fuck himself clearly had reached the breaking point, threw civility to the wind and said what was on his mind. Would he have done the same thing before Katrina? Maybe not. I can guarantee you that before Katrina Cheney would not have appeared anywhere in such a situation where he could have heard someone speaking so bluntly to him. The guy, like Bush, lives in a bubble. If I saw Bush I might be too in awe of the trapping of the president to speak so frankly but that doesn&#039;t mean I wouldn&#039;t. The bubble that Bush and Cheney live in practically demands incivility to penetrate it. A good clean &quot;Go fuck yourself&quot; could shock anyone to their senses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see there are places I vent and places I don&#8217;t. Places I swear and places I don&#8217;t. I try to treat everyone I meet with respect even though I might seriously disagree with them. I would have to be right pissed to call someone a fucking idiot to their face &#8212; which I have on numerous occassions, especially during election cycles &#8212; because I know it tends to shut down any further rational discussion and can lead to a more physical confrontation. But as I have been saying, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s entirely inappropriate. Indeed, sometimes massive irrational venting (hopefully without physical violence) is needed to reach new ground. Sometime you have to light a fire to clear away the dead wood, so to speak. The guy who told Cheney to go fuck himself clearly had reached the breaking point, threw civility to the wind and said what was on his mind. Would he have done the same thing before Katrina? Maybe not. I can guarantee you that before Katrina Cheney would not have appeared anywhere in such a situation where he could have heard someone speaking so bluntly to him. The guy, like Bush, lives in a bubble. If I saw Bush I might be too in awe of the trapping of the president to speak so frankly but that doesn&#8217;t mean I wouldn&#8217;t. The bubble that Bush and Cheney live in practically demands incivility to penetrate it. A good clean &#8220;Go fuck yourself&#8221; could shock anyone to their senses.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<dc:creator>frameone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you an I ever met on the other hand ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you an I ever met on the other hand &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: frameone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would have to be right pissed to call someone a fucking idiot to their face&quot;

And yes I do succumb to the lower threshold of anonymous internet posting. Don&#039;t tell me, JD, that would vocalize half the stupid shit you try to pass off as reason here if we were all in the same room.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would have to be right pissed to call someone a fucking idiot to their face&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes I do succumb to the lower threshold of anonymous internet posting. Don&#8217;t tell me, JD, that would vocalize half the stupid shit you try to pass off as reason here if we were all in the same room.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/09/08/the-truth-cheney/#comment-5712</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SadieB -- Yes, I&#039;m that far gone -- scary, huh?

Hehe
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SadieB &#8212; Yes, I&#8217;m that far gone &#8212; scary, huh?</p>
<p>Hehe</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frameone : that sounds like a fairly accurate portrayal of a coward to me.  At least that clown had some nuts and was willing to do it, rather than just spew it anonymously on a blog.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frameone : that sounds like a fairly accurate portrayal of a coward to me.  At least that clown had some nuts and was willing to do it, rather than just spew it anonymously on a blog.</p>
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