How about putting his citizens on those buses just like the evac plan called for, and getting them the hell out of the way of a cat5 hurricane?

Let me try to explain it a little more clearly.

Cat 5 declared at 7 a.m., 24 hours before landfall.
Mandatory evacuation ordered at 9:30 a.m., 21-1/2 hours before landfall.

The plan says it’s the parish’s responsibility to conduct its own evacuation. Do you know enough about the New Orleans evacuation plan to say whose job it is to call out the buses? I don’t.

The plan also describes when the evacuation is to be halted because driving becomes dangerous. What time did the first gale force winds and bands of rain hit, van? That’s about when the evacuation would end.

The plan requires the parish to provide a shelter of last resort for those who couldn’t be evacuated. That was clearly done.

Now you’ve been yammering for two days straight about Nagin’s “inaction.”

Be specific.

What action was Nagin supposed to take that you think he didn’t? If you’re saying it was his job to pull the trigger on the evacuation plan, I agree. If you’re saying that it was his job to call in the bus drivers and hand them the keys, I’ll ask you to show me.

The plan calls for using the buses. What I don’t see is an assignment of responsibility. Whose call is it to put the buses in play? Is it the mayor’s? The manager of public safety? The superintendent of schools? I don’t see that spelled out in the plan.

I would expect that it’s the mayor’s call to invoke the plan, but I doubt that he carries sole responsibility for executing each facet of the plan. Many aspects of the plan were carried out.

The plan calls for shutting down evacuation routes as a storm draws near. Katrina was upgraded to a category 4 hurricane at 2 a.m., 29 hours before landfall and to a category 5 hurricane at 7 a.m. 24 hours before landfall. The mayor called for mandatory evacuation 21 hours before landfall.

The plan broke down somewhere but neither you nor I know who failed to do his or her job. Please tell me what action you think the mayor was supposed to take that he didn’t.

Otherwise, you’re MSU.

http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004752

The evac plan calls for using these particular buses, note in the plan is says school and municipal buses, to move people out of NO. This did not happen. Hence, Nagin’s inaction leads to more dead in his city.

PDF files have pages

Go to page 13

read the paragraph marked “5″

Here is a quote should that prove too difficult for you.

“5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.”

Now:

You had said something about Mr. Nagin’s inaction. Which part of the plan was he supposed to perform that he didn’t?

(The page numbers in the version I see don’t include a page 13. I scanned the whole plan and paid special attention to paragraph 5, wherever it appeared.)

I can see several items in the plan that didn’t happen as they should. But we’re still discussing “inaction” aren’t we?

“I would ask you to explain what else Oliver was trying to imply, in this blatant example of partially quoting someone, in order to alter the meaning of their words.”

Partially quote someone? Okay. Let’ss see the full quote:

What I’m hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overhwlemed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle)–this is working very well for them.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_09_04_atrios_archive.html#112597122217543452

Holy crap. It’s worse. Well, nice try Phile. Then again, what else could we expect from someone so “calenderically impaired”? Idiot.

I’ve been listening to all of the fallout, almost non-stop, when I’m not at work…and my conclusion is that the lack of appropriate response to this disaster is a failure of government at ALL levels–local, state and federal.

Last night, on FOX’s O’Reilly, Newt Gingrich ripped Bill O’Reilly a new butthole for ranting and raving about the inability of government to do a single thing right. Yes, that’s right….I found myself in the very odd position of cheering for Newt Gingrich.

We all had our initial, very emotionally charged response to this diaster. Now, let’s take a deep breath, and look at the facts when the time is right–in that sense, I agree with Bill Clinton. Let’s hold off on the finger pointing until we take care of the people who have been devastated by this storm.

I think it’s obvious at this point in his term, that George W. Bush depends almost entirely on information he gets from the people that serve him. That’s his nature–not a quality I want in my President. I’d rather have an independent thinker like Clinton in office, that can make quick decisions based on experience and gut instinct. Let’s face it…all Bush had to do was call Nagin and and tell them that the Feds were taking over the entire evacupation operation. Done deal. But that’s not in his nature….he needs to hear all sides before he makes a move.

I’m not giving Bush a free pass on this, iconsolidating FEMA was a huge mistake, IMO…t’s just that we’re doing ourselves a MAJOR disservice if we think that a quicker response by the Feds would have prevented this.

JK

try page 13, par. 5

http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf

I prefer my friend’s German quote on this ‘ the apfel falls not far from the horse.’

I will bet the farm….George will skate on this just like the others. Somehow we will be giving aid and comfort to the enemy by criticizing the weather. ROve is smarter than you or me, so give up…just give into the warm comfort of conservatisim….

The rightwing blogosphere is spinning that story so hard you can smell the wheels burn. But it’s not taking.

What we are seeing here is ABB, the wingnut version. During the election, a lot of us voted for Kerry even though we weren’t that enthusiastic about him, because our motto was “Anybody but Bush.”

And now when years of federal neglect and mismanagement hit the fan, and we are trying to figure out who is responsible, the Republicans take up the same refrain — Anybody but Bush!

True, because it is the inactions of Nagin and Blancos that are the issue, without which, no one would be talking about what the Bush Administration did or didn’t do.

How about actually evacuating the city

Was the evacuation plan adequate? Was the evacuation plan executed?

I have no idea, and apparently neither do you.

I’ve seen the aerial photos of buses that weren’t used in the evacuation. How many were there, van? Were they part of the city’s evacuation plan? Who was supposed to call them into use? Who was supposed to drive them? Who were the buses supposed to pick up?

I don’t have the answers to these questions and neither do you. In the weeks to come, I suspect we’ll find out. I don’t expect the answers will be flattering to any elected official.

However, I don’t think one can expect that the mayor had at his disposal sufficient manpower to round up the criminal element that would later prey on the poor and infirm of the city.

How about actually evacuating the city instead of leaving thousands to suffer the storm in awful conditions, which led directly to the criminal behavior observed in his streets and in his “saftey shelters.”

Snort! Man you wingnuts got to learn to back off when you’re wrong! It only makes people look down on you even more when you get the facts wrong but you try to spin it like “well this only proves my point.” Have some respect for yourself.