I have never said Clinton was good or bad on T. My point has been that it was and is unfair to blame Clinton for what he didn’t prevent, likewise Bush. I don’t buy the 20-20 hind sight argument on either. Both may have made erros (or not) but either would have stopped T attacks if he could have – no matter what Cynthia McKinney believes.

As to the global war on terror, Bush is accountable to the American people and this country. That is his first duty – not the world per se.

And exactly would one’s belief Iraq has made us safer from Ts (which I don’t know that I actually believe – but the facts speak) makes me or anyone else a rabid right winger? Do all leftists believe it has not made us safer? All of them? Despite no home soil attacks. Not one any place?

Dugger, Hydrophobic and Proud of it

Your wouldnt be writing off the poll just because it doesnt work in your favor, right? I never said it serves as proof of anything- like I said in my prior comment, it shows that a vast majority of Americans dont believe were safer because of this war, and there has to be some reason for this- be it the fact that our presence is a recruiting tool for terrorist orginizations, or that the current draft of the Iraqi constitution forbids any law that goes against Islam. So the poll does offer something to the debate- you just dont like what you see.

And you can count me as at least one person who is not a right-wing  kool-aid drinker who blindly trusts Bush, so your point is noted and rejected.

The wingnuts on this blog all have a common tendency to shun their label, yet embrace it at the same time in their screeds.

Surely you are not citing a poll as proof of anything. And a poll that discusses worldwide instead of US conditions. Fact of the matter is that we have not had a major terrorist incident on our shores since 9-11. Don’t need a poll for that. Who knows if Iraq has made us safer here, but so far we can’t argue that it hasn’t.

Dugger

Im citing a poll to demonstrate how those who still believe this war is making us safer are the farthest of the far right, who blindly trust Bush despite his continuous failings because they, like I have said, are Kool-Aid drinkers.

And a poll that discusses worldwide instead of US conditions.

Hasn’t Iraq been constantly referred to as part of the “GLOBAL War on Terror”?

Fact of the matter is that we have not had a major terrorist incident on our shores since 9-11.

So by your definition, Clinton was just as effective at fighting terrorism, since the there were no additional attacks during his term after the original WTC bombing in 93. If you agree to that, I also agree that Bush is effective in fighting terror. But you can’t have it both ways.

Next?

From a fresh AP-Ipsos poll:

4. Has the military action in Iraq …

(Results from April 2004 in parentheses)

 Increased the threat of terrorism in the world, 50 percent (47)

 Decreased the threat of terrorism in the world, 20 percent (25 percent)

 Had no effect on the threat of terrorism, 28 percent (25 percent)

 Not sure, 3 percent (3 percent)

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