Your liberal media works for you, again
In a July 15 article reporting new details in the ongoing criminal investigation into the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame’s identity, the Associated Press distorted a remark by former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV to falsely report that Wilson “acknowledged his wife [Plame] was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak’s column first identified her.” In fact, Wilson merely emphasized that his wife’s cover was blown at the moment when columnist Robert D. Novak revealed her identity in a July 2003 column.
Sorry, I meant to say “removed from CNN’s article” which quotes the AP.
If the AP made a mistake, and admitted it, how is that a lie?
The offending paragraph, which includes Wilson’s remark, has been removed from the AP article.
However, I imagine the damage is already done; the wingnuts will parrot this until they are blue in the face, even though it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference to the case Fitzgerald is building.
I only saw one nutjob repeat the mistake, but that was a huge nutjob: Glenn Reynolds repeated it, saying, “UPDATE: Joe Wilson seems to be letting more air out of what looks more and more like a grossly inflated story: ‘My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.’”
Thanks, Oliver.
More proof that to liberals, “LIE” = an honest mistake or a policy they disagree with.
Actually, I think the phrase “Mission Accomplished” is a nice, ironic fit here.
You all remember that one, don’t you? The words that President Bush NEVER SAID but that Democrats put in his mouth, ad nauseum, two years ago?
Mike, Bush is the one who paraded around on the deck of an aircraft carrier in a flight suit trying to look like a fighter pilot, with a banner saying “Mission Accomplished” in the background. The democrats didn’t have a thing to do with this infamous photo-op. If the truth were known, Bush now probably wishes he didn’t either.
No Mike, he didn’t utter the words mission accomplished, he just made an address regarding the end of combat operations in front of a gigantic banner that said “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.” This is fitting because he is the photo-op president. I dont think I’ve heard anyone say “Bush said ‘mission accomplished’!” But us libs do use that banner as a symbol of the short-sightedness of the architects of this war.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1030-02.jpg
MSNBC has the clarification that neither AP nor CNN have seen fit to print. Yahoo and others also have it:
Wilson clarifies comments about wife
In an interview on CNN earlier Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying Rove s conduct was an outrageous abuse of power … certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House.
Wilson also said my wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.
In an interview Friday, Wilson said his comment was meant to reflect that his wife lost her ability to be a covert agent because of the leak, not that she had stopped working for the CIA beforehand.
His wife s ability to do the job she s been doing for close to 20 years ceased from the minute Novak s article appeared; she ceased being a clandestine officer, he said.
You can read it here:
Source: Rove says reporters told him of Plame
I must say that even though Joe Wiilson is a left – wing pacifist, it seems to me that he is smart enough to know the difference between my wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity, and my wife ceased to be a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity. [emphasis mine] (That’s what I would have said, if that’s what I had meant).
Seems to me, anyway.
Sorry all… I left the bold and italics tags open.
Should be OK now. Been a loooong day!
There is also an excellent update at dKOS by Armando:
Rovegate: 2003 State Dept. Memo the Key?
BTW, I’ve also posted a comment about this story (and this blog) and others relating to the Rove/Plame scandal at Loaded Mouth by Mark:
“You lied to me…”
Hahaha… Ya gotta admire (OK, maybe not!) how the wingnuts looooove to nitpic words but totally ignore all context and meaning! LOL
…whhhhOOOOooosh…
wingnut: “What was that?”
Anyone else: “Oh nothing. Just meaning going right over your head! Your hair looks better though.”
LMAO
Joe Wilson’s a left-wing pacifist according to the talking points, grubi. Didn’t you get the memo?
Joe Wilson has shown more balls and patriotism in his career than most armchair generals currently running rampant over his good name. I seriously doubt Karl Rove could have saved any of Saddam’s American hostages back before Desert Storm by launching yet another whispering campaign against him.
If Joe Wilson is a “left-wing pacifist,” then why did he vote for Bush 41 in 1992?
“Left-wing pacifist”? Based on what? Don’t be such a dumbass.
CNN calls Wilson “an outspoken critic of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy”
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/cnna.wilson.zahn/
It was Wilson’s fear that Bush 43 (the President now, Grubi) would go to war with Iraq that led him to conceal the truth from (the current) President Bush. So, perhaps, I should have called him “the anti – Iraq War” Joe Wilson.
Second, if it wasn’t for Bush 41’s (the Bush Wilson did vote for, Grubi) hesitation in Gulf War I, there would have been 5 – 10 less years of Hussein (at least), and no Gulf War II, and, I know you’ll be happy to hear this, maybe no Bush 43.
Finally, as to this part of the statement:
Kryten42 (Is that the manufacturers’ model #?)
That’s called backtracking
BD:
1) Demonstrate the “balls and patriotism”, please
2) Name the “armchair generals”, please
3) He has no ‘good name’ — he betrayed his vountry and his President to advance his own personal agenda. If it had worked out like he planned it, he probably wouldn’t have even cared if his wife (who couldn’t even see her way clear to take his name) was outed.
4) Return the helmet
BD:
Oops! I always ignore the memos about Republican retardation.
The PC word is “developmentally disabled”, bigot.
Don’t forget the saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will always be used by liberals, instead of orguments.”
And that other saying, “If you don’t have anything nice (or intelligent) to say, you’re probably a liberal.”
All the right-wing idiots who support Bush and think we were right to invade Iraq should quit their jobs and enlist in the Army and volunteer for duty in Iraq. Convince your sons and daughters that they should also join up. After all, Bush said that the sacrifice has been worth it. How many more troops will be killed or injured in Iraq. Are you willing to give your life or your kids life to bring democracy to the Iraqi people?
I am all for going after the Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan. That is where we should be concentrating our effort right now. Get Bin Laden like Bush said we would. And when we get him we should hang him or execute him immediately along with everyone around him. Take no prisoners.
Left-wing pacifist
Anyone who does not support Bush is considered a left-wing pacifist? In my opinion, anyone who supports Bush is a right-wing idiot.
Fanfic Frank is probably too dumb to realize the internal inconsistencies of his post.
Heh
Nice post Southpaw … one quibble. I would revise one of your sentences to read as follows: Are you willing to give your life or your kids life to bring another government that abuses human rights & uses death squads but is not Saddam?
AS TO ROVE: Is anyone really expected to believe his defense that he learned of Plame for a person in the media who can not recall (let’s call it the “(W)horse with No Name” defense. Like in the song of the same name, Rove’s defense can only be believed by one in a drug-induced hallucination.
Instead, it’s clear that Rove had access to the Plame info that was in the report that Powell brought on to Air Force One on the July 7th trip to Africa.
I see revisionist Frank has been busy while I’ve been away.
A plain statement of chronological facts puts the lie to this one, unless he wants to contend that Bush I went with a left wing pacifist as acting Ambassodor. In Iraq. During Desert Storm.
Yeah, right. That sounds plausible.
From http://www.cpsag.com/our_team/wilson.html
Ambassador Wilson was the Political Advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces, Europe, 1995-1997. He served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995. From 1998 to 1991, Ambassador Wilson served in Baghdad, Iraq as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy. During ”Desert Shield” he was the acting Ambassador and was responsible for the negotiations that resulted in the release of several hundred American hostages. He was the last official American to meet with Saddam Hussein before the launching of ”Desert Storm.”
Oh, and I forgot, Macswain, you haven’t been around for a while. The attempted “fanfic” insult doesn’t work anymore. I won’t say anything about yours, if you don’t say anything about mine.
Macswain: You said “probably”… Is that a compliment?
I didn’t know you cared…
Actually, I didn’t know you were here…
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Joe_Wilson.php
I don’t think a Democratic shill would have donated $1,000 to Bush’s first election campaign, though he also donated to Al Gore.
neo: If you believe Rove is guilty, then read yesterday’s (Saturday) New York Post (everyne should). Read Jonathan Cohn (from The New Republic) “The Media Bias’ Excuse” THEN, read Ron Lowry (The National Review) “Bad Faith All “Round”.
If you believe Rove is NOT guilty, then read them the other way round.
It’s a real eye – opener.
Rich Lowry article =
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200507150815.asp
Jonathan Cohn article =
http://tinyurl.com/d3s4c
Frank,
Thanks for the free advertising!! The “probably” was to give you the benefit of the doubt, i.e. that your internally inconsistent post was intentional in that you were making an artistic statement and not a literal or logical one. You were bravely attacking the stupidity of name calling by posting a comment that opposed name calling but also engaged in name-calling. Hence, you created the appearance that you were stupid to make the broader point that, in your opinion, all name calling is stupid. Your post, when viewed through artistic interpretation, is on the level of Serrano’s “Piss Christ” which makes the broader points of mixing the sacred and profane to show that Jesus sacrificed himself to atone for a mankind that was awash in a world of sin, or symbolically piss. It is only the simple minded who misread “Piss Christ” or who miss the broader point of your self-effacing post.
I, sir, stand corrected, your post was, in fact, brilliant!
BACK ON TOPIC: Why do you think Powell had that memo with him on Air Force One on July 7th?
BD: Wowie! Good answer…
1) Demonstrate the balls and patriotism , please
Check the news in September 1990. A certain press conference. “If Saddam wants to hang me, I’ll bring my own fucking rope.” It’s one thing to stare down a dictator from 1600 Pennsylvania, it’s another to do it in the dictator’s backyard.
Or do we no longer consider saving the lives of Americans to be sufficiently patriotic, Frank?
2) Name the armchair generals , please
Frank D said:
“Second, if it wasn t for Bush 41 s (the Bush Wilson did vote for, Grubi) hesitation in Gulf War I, there would have been 5 – 10 less years of Hussein (at least), and no Gulf War II, and, I know you ll be happy to hear this, maybe no Bush 43.”
So you, for one. Bush 41 said he didn’t go into Iraq because he had no idea how to stabilize the country afterwards. Bush 43 didn’t know how to do this either, but he went anyway.
But let us not forget our man Dick Cheney, either. “Greeted as liberators,” and all that rot.
3) He has no good name he betrayed his vountry and his President to advance his own personal agenda. If it had worked out like he planned it, he probably wouldn t have even cared if his wife (who couldn t even see her way clear to take his name) was outed.
Would you mind posting copies of Joe Wilson’s personal agenda, seeing as how you’ve clearly been poring over it with a fine tooth comb? The continuing meme that Valerie Wilson was an insidious spymaster and Joe Wilson was out to topple the administration has no basis in…what’s the word, what’s the word…fact?
And now you’re attacking Valerie Plame because she didn’t take her husband’s name? Anything you’d like to say to the rest of the similar American women?
4) Return the helmet
Right. Because that’s the only way those two letters would ever pop up next to each other.
As for “backtracking,” Frank…you mean how, the day after Rove flat-out lied about the reaction of “liberals” to 9/11, somebody else had to say “oh, he meant MoveOn and Howard Dean. Not all liberals.”
I have no idea why Colin Powell had that memo with him, if indeed, he did.
Now, has anyone read those articles, or has pestering me replaced debate?
boadicea: You return and the attack begins. So it seems Wilson was the “go – to” man in Africa for, what, three years?
Is that why he “hung around cafes, drinking tea” (his words), instead of telling the President the truth about Iraq’s attempt to secure nuclear material?
Thanks for the bio, but I didn’t really need it. I don’t care if if he was the Postmaster in Podunk, he did the wrong thing.
What does that have to do with his wife’s identity being revealed? Nothing.
Instead of crawling all over the net looking for irrelevancies (and since they are designed to bust my chops, rather than get to the point, they are doubly irrelevant), I suggest you read the two articles linked to above.
In your case, I guess I would read Cohn first, then Lowry.
Macswain: The comparison to Serrano was way over the top, and gives him more credit than he deserves. But, yes, you “got” the post, and, yes, it was brilliant, wasn’t it?
Frank -
Good joke, and all-purpose.
The fact is Ambassador Wilson has accomplished far more in the service of this nation than Frank D could even imagine.
The fact is the notion that Iraq had actively engaged Niger in an attempt to buy yellowcake is ridiculous. And the notion–as it were–came from some crudely forged (note to forgers: if you’re going to forge docs; when you date them, use Govt. officials who haven’t been out of office for over a decade) documents our own intelligence agencies had exposed as being bogus.
Anyway, the story is getting very interesting now; it looks like Cheney’s CoS is in the hot seat, along with Karl Rove. Perjury, obstruction of justice, espionage act, treason…all on the buffet.
But there’s a larger story about to unravel for AWOL George. And this gets back to the fact AWOL George lied to get us into war. Early polling results show a solid majority favoring impeachment if this case is made.
This is obviously OFF TOPIC… consider it a test to see if you have a sense of humor:
My sister sent me this:
The Politicians Accident
A bus load of politicians was driving down a country road one
afternoon, when all of a sudden, the bus ran off the road and
crashed into a tree in an old farmer s field.
Seeing what happened, the old farmer went over to investigate.
He then proceeded to dig a hole and bury the politicians.
A few days later, the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed
bus, and asked the old farmer, Were they all dead?
The old farmer replied, Well, some of them said they weren t,
but you know how them politicians lie.
Frank
Frank, pretty funny. Especially considering Rove, Bush and Cheney all fit that description to a tee.
Yeah, Bushwacked, Bush, Rove and Cheney riding in a bus.
Oh, yeah — you got the joke, alright…
Who did they poll? 122 readers of The Nation? Or 64 commenters at DU?
I think Rove made a big mistake. He should have said that Valerie Plame Wilson blew him under the covers. Then we all could just laugh it off as “just a blowjob”.
Silly Karl.
JD: Please, enough with the nicknames already. “AWOL George” doesn’t really bother the President — he’s not reading this. It makes your posts harder to take seriously.
My mistake:
Joe Wilson has admitted that he failed to inform the President that Iraq intended to buy yellow cake in Niger and if not there , then elsewhere in Africa.
He did it, he said, because he felt it would proivoke a war.
Now, you’re saying that that was ridiculous?
So, let me get this straight:
There was no attempt by Iraq to secure nuclear materials in Africa.
Joe Wilson knew this, went to the President, told him that he knew this, then later said that he didn’t know that to be true.
He just wanted to say, “I knew there was an attempt to buy or secure nuclear materials, but I lied about it (when in fact he knew that there wasn’t really any such material, in the first place)(!)”
JG: Either you or Wilson needs a long vacation…
Who did they poll? 122 readers of The Nation? Or 64 commenters at DU?
Frank D is nervous. He’s touting the line that all polls–at least the ones unfavorable to AWOL George–are nonsense. Yet, I’m certain one day there might be a poll favorable to his hero and Frank will be waving it like a flag.
But Zogby Intl.–as all major polling outfits do–publish their methodologies and sample sizes.
Joe Wilson has admitted that he failed to inform the President that Iraq intended to buy yellow cake in Niger and if not there , then elsewhere in Africa.
Demonstrably false.
First, yellowcake–or uranium ore–is available in sufficient quantities in only two African nations, Niger and Libya. Second, the CIA sent Wilson to Niger–nowhere else–to see if Niger was selling or had sold yellowcake to Iraq. To claim Wilson did not inform AWOL George that other nations were selling yellowcake to Iraq (and there’s zero evidence for this) is nonsensical.
Thanks for the lead — too bad you weren’t industrious enough to type a link
” … more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.
380 people out of 905 (give or take a few).
I wonder how many people (out of 905) wanted Clinton to resign on the day of his impeachment?
Oh, wait, he didn’t resign…
So, why should Bush?
JD: So you’re saying this was a Zogby Poll?
JD: Demonstrably false is not actually false. You’re playing with words. Untie the knot you’ve tied, please.
Joe Wilson admitted that he withheld the truth from the President
Joe Wilson admitted that he withheld the truth from the President
Joe Wilson admitted that he withheld the truth from the President
Not me, not Karl Rove, Joe Wilson.
Period.
JG: Enough already. You can’t deny that Joe Wilson admitted that he withheld the truth from the President, because that is what he did.
I don’t care if there’s yellow cake in Pennslvania or Transylvania. He was sent to Niger. He found out people had been approacged by Iraqis. He didn’t want to tell the President because he didn’t want to “give the President an excuse to go to war.” His own ego told him 1) That the President’s decision hinged on his data, and his data alone; and 2) If he withheld that data, he could change the course of history.
However, as Rich Lowry points out in the article linked above (you should read them)
“The contention that Saddam sought uranium Wilson insists he debunked it for all time with his brief CIA-sponsored vacation in Niger remains a murky matter, since British intelligence has stood by it.”
As I predicted, Frank D questions a poll using an accepted, statistically significant sample. IOW, he denies about a century’s worth of study WRT statistical inference and the entire field of probability and statistics.
Frank is also confused by the term ‘demonstrably false.’ Frankly, it means just what it says–that his statement is false and can be demonstrated as such.
Simply bizarre. Apparently, Frank believes repeating his lies will some how make them less false.
Of course, this bizarre behavior contradicts a GOP talking point that Wilson’s report never made it to senior administration officials. Perhaps Frank believes AWOL George is not a senior figure in this administration.
>boadicea: You return and the attack begins. So it seems Wilson was the go – to man in Africa for, what, three years?
Bad at math as well, eh, Frank?
And you claiming you’re being attacked when facts get in your way is like Karl Rove claiming he was just looking out for his friends in the press so they wouldn’t make an error.
Pure horseshit.
>Is that why he hung around cafes, drinking tea (his words), instead of telling the President the truth about Iraq s attempt to secure nuclear material?
You mean the truth that the
administration didn’t want to hear?
>Thanks for the bio, but I didn t really need it. I don t care if if he was the Postmaster in Podunk, he did the wrong thing.
“Postmaster in Podunk”. I think you misspelled “Senior White House Official”, there.
Oh, you weren’t talking about TurdBlossom, were you? My bad.
>What does that have to do with his wife s identity being revealed? Nothing.
Once again, you try your old game of moving the goal posts and claiming victory.
One trick pony Frank.
O, Spare me the fisking, Boadicea. You’re not saying anything different from anybody else: Wilson good, Rove bad.
Enemy of Bush = good; Friend of Bush = bad
There’s two stories I linked to, above. I’m sure you’re not the only one on this thread that hasn’t read either one of them.
Finally,
1) I guess I should have said “Sub – Saharan Africa”, where he worked for three years. I call the Middle East “the Middle East”
2) I simply meant I didn’t and don’t care about his past record. He isn’t running for President of the Kiwanis Club.
3) Who or what is TurdBlossom (do I really need or want to know?)
4) Whether he walked on water or not, has nothing to do with whether Karl Rove outed his “celebrity secret agent wife”. That is what we’re talking about, isn’t it?
Somehow, some people on the Left, at least some individuals who inhabit these threads. like the inimitable JadeGold, have some sort of dotted lines drawn, like this:
A. Rove outed Valerie Plame, because he was pissed off at Joe Wilson.
B. Rove was pissed off at Wilson, because after the SOTU address, Wilson ran around telling everyone that he had gone to Niger at the Veep’s behest, and informed the CIA that the Iraqis were not looking for yellowcake in Niger.
C. This “proves” that the President “knew” there was no chance of any WMD being in Iraq.
D. Since the “only” reason we went to war in Iraq was because Hussein had WMD’s, we had no reason to go to war.
E. Ipso facto, Quod erat demonstratum, and agnus Dei qui tollis peccata mundi, President Bush should be impeached, dragged out of the White House, tarred and feathered, and sentenced to life in the ‘lectric chair.
While there may be some “wiggle room” in (B), (A), (C), and (D) are going to be some mighty big stumbling blocks in your plan to get Bush out of the White House.
I leave it to you to see where the problems lie.
My god Frank_D after reading your posts I have to admit that you sure know your president. Are you a fan, admirer, or are you from the Limbaugh, Hannity, cut that compels you to believe that if you aren’t spewing republican talking points at every thing the “Bush” would not like. Then you aren’t a true patriotic American supporting those fine troops fighting the war on terror in Iraq and Afganistan.
As a former Navy Seal I’ll let you in on a little secret. He’s not military. He’s christian, so am I. Jesus never told me to invade anyones house and kill them.
Okay well I’m off subject. Did Rove leak? Yes! Do you think there was anything wrong with it? NO! Why? Be cause we won and you Democrats just won’t get over it!
By the way. I’m a Moderate republican whose sick of the Right Wing Republican BS.
So the former Navy SEAL is going to tell me all about myself. Do you think you’re the first person on these threads to tell me that I’m “spouting Republican talking points”, or that I’m in the Limbaugh, Hannity “cults”?
As a former Army enlisted man, let me tell you something. I’m a little bit older than the President. When he was heading for Yale, I was heading for the State University system.
After Kennedy was killed, I became a conservative — that’s where my disillsionment took me. I hated war protesters, and “older people” who thought it was hip to agree with them. When Congress sold out the Vietnamese, I went into high gear.
When the Supreme Court, in Roe v Wade, launched the “Holocaust in the Womb”, Hannity and Limbaugh weren’t even around. I was furious without their help, or the Republlicans’, many of whom supported it (until the Christian Right got its act together, after backing the wrong “peanut farmer” in 1976).
“Did Rove leak?” I hope so — otherwise, he’d have a pretty rotten set of kidneys! Talk about spouting talking points.
I have repeated this story here at least once, I will not repeat it again.
But use a little logic:
If the “crime” that was committed was so obvious, why has the investigation lasted two years?
If Novak “rolled over”, why is Miller in jail, and not Cooper, and not Rove?
If Valerie Plame Wilson (I’m sorry, but women who can’t, or won’t, take their husband’s names are, IMHO, just being phony and trendy — and, man, do I hate phony and trendy) has been damaged by being outed, why isn’t the CIA voicing any outrage at anybody? They don’t seem to care at all.
You claim you’re a moderate Republican who’s sick of right eing Republican BS?
How do you feel about left wing Democratic BS?
Because, that’s what this is …
And, all you Oliver inhabitants who think you’ll be lining up with your “I told you sos”, Bush “don’t play dat”.
He will never make Rove resign to please a bunch of left wing editorial writers.
Keep stamping you feet and flailing your arms, Frank. It’s still not arguing logically.
“But Wilson is baaad! Come on, guys, awww come oooonnnnn…”
Back to bed, Frankie.
Grubi: And you are? What makes you think your unproven, unsupported, allegations are logical?
You Lefties crack me up…
You don’t know what really happened when Joe Wilson went to Africa…
You don’t know why Novak is not in trouble…
You don’t know why Miller is in jail…
You don’t why Cooper said this today:
Yet you’ve got Rove resigning, and Bush impeached (see JadeGold above)
But I’m being illogical.
If Valerie Plame Wilson (I m sorry, but women who can t, or won t, take their husband s names are, IMHO, just being phony and trendy and, man, do I hate phony and trendy) has been damaged by being outed, why isn t the CIA voicing any outrage at anybody? They don t seem to care at all.
The CIA went to the Justice Department and demanded an investigation. That seemed to be outrage enough.
And men who demand that women take their husband’s name are stuffy and quite possibly feel threatened that their traditional male superiority is being taken away. I’ll take “trendy” over that any day.
Frank, you still want to move the goal posts and declare victory.
So, let’s imagine for a sec that FrankWorld is the RealWorld.
Let’s imagine for the moment that Wilson is all the things you’ve claimed and that the outing of a CIA agent (and all the people who’ve ever met or worked with her by extension) is no big deal to anybody but whiny left-wing pacifists.
These two things still would be true.
1. Karl Rove (and Scooter Libby, apparently) both did something they understood to be wrong. Come on, you don’t think that “Joe Wilson’s wife” was specifically identifiable? How many wives do you have?
If they didn’t understand it to be wrong when they did it, they certainly understood it to be wrong when President Bush said he’d fire the leaker if they were in his administration. (BTW, if what the hell good is a White House or Chief Executive that can’t ferret out leaks from within the West Wing and Vice Presidential Suite? As numerous people pointed out, President Nixon had figured out Deep Throat was Mark Felt, but thought it too dangerous to publically accuse him. If the Bushies can’t do better than that they’re an active danger to the security of America without regard to any other actions.)
2. Let’s go back to that statement of President Bush’s. Karl Rove and Scooter Libby are still reporting for work when they’ve been established as the leakers who were supposedly going to be fired. Why are we still waiting for this good ol’ boy to understand that when you make a promise like that, people expect you to keep your word?
JadeGold: Have you lost your mind? WTF are you talking about?
Who betrayed his country? Rove?
Are you kiddong?
All this pomposity and bombast will look mighty foolish, when the truth is told, the dust settles, and this is seen for the big nothing it really is.
And how in the world did my wife get into this?
You know, I’m beginning to think that you were raised by wolves
Just in case some of you all haven’t been over to Daily Kos, Markos has an entry that really distills the issue.
While legalities are still to be settled after the prosecutor, Mr. Fitzgerald makes his case (I actually predict a pardon before any trial ensues because President Bush will want to protect himself from Nixonian exposure), the right and wrong of it is clear.
To quote a bit from Markos:
I’m sorry that you’ve been caught up in that Frank. Because you serve neither your party nor your country by doing so. You don’t even serve yourself.
I m sorry, but women who can t, or won t, take their husband s names are, IMHO, just being phony and trendy and, man, do I hate phony and trendy
Spoken like a man who is separated from his wife.
In the end, this entire matter is sad. It points up the fact there are people who will condone the betrayal of their country for short-term political gain. I used to think it unbelievable that folks like Robert Hanssen (a Novak pal, BTW), Aldrch Ames, John Walker, etc. would sell out ther own country for money. But they did.
We’re now seeng the GOP do likewise.
Boadicea: And what party might that be? Not the Republican Party. I haven’t been a Republican for about 25 years. Guess again.
Try arguing with what I am saying, instead of with me
I understand that you think I am a time – wasting troll.
I understand that you think that if I only had “the facts” I would see things your way.
I understand that you think that I learned everything I know from Hannity and Limbaugh — when I haven’t listened to either one in years
Example: Whether a crime has been committed remains to be seen, but shouldn t matter a whit.
It matters to me.
Example: But to modern-day Republicans and their apologists, they can do no wrong. No Republican s action is worthy of scorn or censure. They are perfect. Flawless. Immune to error. Godlike.
This is over – the – top, hyperbole. It is bullshit. He knows it, and you know it.
This is the standard liberal “box”: “Everyone knows” Rove should be fired, so just fire him, and end this (the fact that we will get our way, without all that fussy due process, is just a coincidence — how conveeeenient!).
Welcome to the new paradigm, Frank. Everybody’s wives are “fair game.”
>Boadicea: And what party might that be? Not the Republican Party. I haven t been a Republican for about 25 years. Guess again.
Sorry for the assumption. You just follow the talking points so thoroughly, that I mistook you for one.
>Try arguing with what I am saying, instead of with me.
Honey, you really don’t personally matter to me one way or the other in this argument because I don’t know you. I’m sorry to hear your son is ill and I hope you and your family find the strength you need to meet whatever challenges you all will face.
What you represent-whatever your political affiliation-is something else altogether. You echo the Republican talking points with added persecution sauce. That hurts our country. The one we presumably both care about.
And, your technique of changing the topic when your misinterpretations fail to shut up Bush critics is just not going to work on me. Expect me to point it out whenever I see it.
Cute, BD … So you’re joining the knuckle – dragger JadeGold in being the rudest, crudest commenter I’ve ever encountered.
I guess that means neither you nor JadeGold have a wife. Why am I not surprised?
We could get dirtier than this.
I have to go get some money to visit my son in the hospital.
While I’m gone, you and JadeGold can get together, and write some nasty stuff about him.
Then we’ll play the dozens
Welcome to my world, buttmunch!
You brought her up, I didn t.
You are out of what’s left of your mind. I did no such thing.
I merely remarked that anyone who believes married women who don t take their hubby s name are phonies and trendy is likely to be a lonely old man.
JadeGold: You are a Grade A, USDA Prime asshole.
I’m not a lonely old man, you shithead.
I live with my wife (who has my last name, and wears it with pride); I have two children, who have my last name, instead of some complicated “My name is Bobby Smith – Jones” crap.
And, by the way, not taking your husband’s last name may go back centuries in the hills where you come from, where guys marry their sisters and stuff, but where I live it’s some trendy crap that started 20 or thirty years ago.
You think I’ve been nasty before, JG?
You better quit while you’re behind…
I think it’s safe to assume that there was a time when you and BD had parents…
We’ll discuss it later…
I have some “real life” to live — hear that, Grubi?
Who betrayed his country? Rove?
Certainly. I think you understand this.
Classified information is classified for a reason. Nobody with access to such info gets to make a subjective judgment as to what info is kept classified and which isn’t. It’s like cheating on your taxes; even if the IRS doesn’t haul you in for an audit–you’ve still cheated on your taxes.
The fact you’re condoning and defending betrayal of the country doesn’t speak well for you, Frank.
And how in the world did my wife get into this?
You brought her up, I didn’t. I merely remarked hat anyone who believes married women who don’t take their hubby’s name are phonies and trendy is likely to be a lonely old man.
BTW, not taking the man’s name isn’t new or trendy–it’s a practice that’s at least several centuries old. That aside, there are also business (captalism) reasons for not chnaging names in the event of marriage.
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I have some real life to live hear that, Grubi?
ROFLMAO- this is great coming from someone who posts here 100 times a day….
Go take your Metamucil.
So you re joining the knuckle – dragger JadeGold in being the rudest, crudest commenter I ve ever encountered.
Irony abounds. I’ve never called anybody on this site a “knuckle dragger,” “asshole,” or “shithead.” And somehow, making an offhand comment using a quote of Karl Rove’s (and I’m not a big fan of calling him Turd Blossom, either, even if the President does) makes me “rudest, crudest.”
And I know that Frank’s had to reply to worse than what I wrote. So…either this isn’t the real Frank, or he’s having severe memory problems.
For people who have asked me on all too many occasions to have an open mind, and to “see things from a different perspective” (’stop spouting ralking points’, ‘get away fom the Hannity and Limbaugh cults’, etc.), not one of you lefties has even seen fit to accept the possibility that one of my comments might be right.
Usually, I am ridiculed for even believing what I believe. Now, the ridicule has become personal.
I was advised by someone (mouse, I think) that it was kind of masochistic on my part to comment on a “progressive” site, and bot expect to be attacked. I didn’t agree, but I guess he’s right.
So, I’m taking the hint, packing up my links and research, and leaving you with a message even JadeGold can understand:
Nice meltdown, Frank. Really nailed the dismount.
Shorter Frank_D:
Goodbye Cruel World!!!
Gee, I don’t miss him already. If he stayed away, he would be the first con to keep their word.
Oh Frank, you really don’t get it do you? I didn’t say that it was “masochistic” of you to comment on a “progressive” site; I simply questioned your motives. The masochistic interpretation is all yours…which says a lot really.
And for the last time (I hope), although well-acquainted with dicks, I currently do not possess one. Oh, and by the way, I’m one of those “trendy” women you seem to detest so. I am proud of my own unpronounceable, unspellable last name. My wonderful, amazing and very secure husband seems to like my name and further distinguishes himself in being able to spell and pronounce it.
Frank, if you didn’t exist, we’d have to make you up; every blog needs its Daffy Duck. I for one will miss you.
I really doubt you’ll have to miss him for long.
How in hell did Wilson “betray his country”? He said that there was no evidence of the Iraqis trying to procure yellowcake. Well, thousannds of lives and billions of dollars later, we know this to be true. He may have betrayed a White House looking for more lies to support their existing lies, but he didn’t betray us.