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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops yourself, JD.

Southpaw mentioned the debt (edging up on $8 trillion). That&#039;s the accumulated borrowing of the treasury over many, many years.

You&#039;re talking about the deficit--the projected difference between revenues and expenses for this year only. The improvement of $94 billion was against a phony &quot;projected&quot; deficit and is made possible, in part, by a higher than expected level of payroll tax collections. You remember payroll taxes, don&#039;t you JD?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops yourself, JD.</p>
<p>Southpaw mentioned the debt (edging up on $8 trillion). That&#8217;s the accumulated borrowing of the treasury over many, many years.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about the deficit&#8211;the projected difference between revenues and expenses for this year only. The improvement of $94 billion was against a phony &#8220;projected&#8221; deficit and is made possible, in part, by a higher than expected level of payroll tax collections. You remember payroll taxes, don&#8217;t you JD?</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2043</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>southpaw also seems to be ignoring that the debt projections were again lowered another $94,000,000,000 just yesterday.  Oops.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>southpaw also seems to be ignoring that the debt projections were again lowered another $94,000,000,000 just yesterday.  Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2042</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, NO!!!  Algore is coming back.  We&#039;re gonna lose the presidency.  Big Al is back in town. Get all the Republican chirrens indoors!! Hide your SUV!

The Democrats go from the Haunted Tree to the tree.

BTW. Hillary Clinton will hand him his simpering butt on a big fat platter. He has NO CHANCE.

Dugger, Self Acknowledged Expert On Democrat Politics
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, NO!!!  Algore is coming back.  We&#8217;re gonna lose the presidency.  Big Al is back in town. Get all the Republican chirrens indoors!! Hide your SUV!</p>
<p>The Democrats go from the Haunted Tree to the tree.</p>
<p>BTW. Hillary Clinton will hand him his simpering butt on a big fat platter. He has NO CHANCE.</p>
<p>Dugger, Self Acknowledged Expert On Democrat Politics</p>
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		<title>By: nawoods</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2041</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore hasn&#039;t won an election since 1990!  Thats 15 years ago!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore hasn&#8217;t won an election since 1990!  Thats 15 years ago!</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2040</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southpaw, you&#039;re getting your talking points mixed up:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thereisnocrisis.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Social Security is peachy-keen!&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southpaw, you&#8217;re getting your talking points mixed up:  <a href="http://www.thereisnocrisis.com" rel="nofollow">Social Security is peachy-keen!</a></p>
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		<title>By: goatchowder</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2039</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see Gore back in form, giving speeches. Since 2000, I&#039;ve been impressed by him. During 2000, I was disgusted by him. And I&#039;ll never forgive him or his wife for trying to legislate matters of personal morality-- I&#039;m old enough to remember that the Terri Schiavo debacle of the 1980&#039;s was the fucking PMRC &quot;porn rock&quot; hearings. I&#039;m sorry, as a Senator, Gore was a Frist-like toady for the nascent American Taliban. As a VP he did well, gotta give him that. Great complement to the Clenis: both smart guys with good policy wonkery-- he was the far wonkier of the pair. As a candidate, however, he, um, how do you say, SUCKED. Then, post-2000 and in his endorse-Dean days, he was a breath of fresh air. Pattern here is: as long as Gore isn&#039;t campaigning, he&#039;s great. His insights and knowledge are very valuable and I&#039;m glad he&#039;s sharing.

I think there is an important role for Gore: he&#039;s a great thinker, good speaker, great guy for preaching to the eggheads among us. Like the college professor he probably would have been if his Senator daddy hadn&#039;t gotten him into the family business.

Seriously, Clinton (like Reagan, and Kennedy) was born to be President of the United States. Shrub was born to own a baseball team, Dean to be a political organiser, Clark to be Secretary of State or NSA, and Gore to be the college professor whose lectures you most enjoy. Good things happen when people follow their own destiny, know their own strengths and weaknesses and limits,  and make their way into the roles that best fit their talents. Disasters happen when-- through weakness or lack of confidence or hubris or laziness (or all of the above)-- they end up stumbling along their parents&#039; path into a line of work that just doesn&#039;t suit them.

Both Gore and Shrub got pretty goddamned far in trying to outdo their daddies, but they both Peter Principle&#039;d out at the moment of truth, where their committment to their path was finally tested: Gore in actually getting into office, and Shrub in actually governing.

All that said, the world would be a hell of a lot better off with a President Gore. After 9/11, Shrub squandered his political capital on the Iraq quagmire and push through tax cuts and the PATRIOT Act. Gore would have made more productive use of the post-9/11 unity by finally pushing through alternative-energy stimulus and conservation bills, and maybe even forcing through a bill to increase the fuel efficiency standards and eliminate the fucking SUV loophole (a luxury SUV is *not* a &quot;light truck&quot;, assholes!)-- for national security reasons.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see Gore back in form, giving speeches. Since 2000, I&#8217;ve been impressed by him. During 2000, I was disgusted by him. And I&#8217;ll never forgive him or his wife for trying to legislate matters of personal morality&#8211; I&#8217;m old enough to remember that the Terri Schiavo debacle of the 1980&#8217;s was the fucking PMRC &#8220;porn rock&#8221; hearings. I&#8217;m sorry, as a Senator, Gore was a Frist-like toady for the nascent American Taliban. As a VP he did well, gotta give him that. Great complement to the Clenis: both smart guys with good policy wonkery&#8211; he was the far wonkier of the pair. As a candidate, however, he, um, how do you say, SUCKED. Then, post-2000 and in his endorse-Dean days, he was a breath of fresh air. Pattern here is: as long as Gore isn&#8217;t campaigning, he&#8217;s great. His insights and knowledge are very valuable and I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s sharing.</p>
<p>I think there is an important role for Gore: he&#8217;s a great thinker, good speaker, great guy for preaching to the eggheads among us. Like the college professor he probably would have been if his Senator daddy hadn&#8217;t gotten him into the family business.</p>
<p>Seriously, Clinton (like Reagan, and Kennedy) was born to be President of the United States. Shrub was born to own a baseball team, Dean to be a political organiser, Clark to be Secretary of State or NSA, and Gore to be the college professor whose lectures you most enjoy. Good things happen when people follow their own destiny, know their own strengths and weaknesses and limits,  and make their way into the roles that best fit their talents. Disasters happen when&#8211; through weakness or lack of confidence or hubris or laziness (or all of the above)&#8211; they end up stumbling along their parents&#8217; path into a line of work that just doesn&#8217;t suit them.</p>
<p>Both Gore and Shrub got pretty goddamned far in trying to outdo their daddies, but they both Peter Principle&#8217;d out at the moment of truth, where their committment to their path was finally tested: Gore in actually getting into office, and Shrub in actually governing.</p>
<p>All that said, the world would be a hell of a lot better off with a President Gore. After 9/11, Shrub squandered his political capital on the Iraq quagmire and push through tax cuts and the PATRIOT Act. Gore would have made more productive use of the post-9/11 unity by finally pushing through alternative-energy stimulus and conservation bills, and maybe even forcing through a bill to increase the fuel efficiency standards and eliminate the fucking SUV loophole (a luxury SUV is *not* a &#8220;light truck&#8221;, assholes!)&#8211; for national security reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: southpaw</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2038</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever wins the next election will inherit one big mess to try to clean up.  The national debt, war in Iraq, rising energy prices, social security......
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever wins the next election will inherit one big mess to try to clean up.  The national debt, war in Iraq, rising energy prices, social security&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rory_Is_Freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2037</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is he perhaps the only realistic alternative to Hillary?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is he perhaps the only realistic alternative to Hillary?</p>
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		<title>By: zadig</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2036</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having heard Gore speak in recent years and give well-researched, passionate, eloquent, thoughtful, and well-spoken speeches on a number of topics, I can only say that it was a nice change from the illiterate, deceitful, charmless hack that is our current president, as well as being a pleasant step up from unclear, boring Kerry (who, in spite of always meaning well, can&#039;t seem to say things simply and clearly).

In other words, I miss my rightful president, and I&#039;d vote for him again. I only hope he has a strategy to kick the press&#039;s collective ass this time when they start making shit up. Again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having heard Gore speak in recent years and give well-researched, passionate, eloquent, thoughtful, and well-spoken speeches on a number of topics, I can only say that it was a nice change from the illiterate, deceitful, charmless hack that is our current president, as well as being a pleasant step up from unclear, boring Kerry (who, in spite of always meaning well, can&#8217;t seem to say things simply and clearly).</p>
<p>In other words, I miss my rightful president, and I&#8217;d vote for him again. I only hope he has a strategy to kick the press&#8217;s collective ass this time when they start making shit up. Again.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2035</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a right - to - lifer who geenrally votes for Republicans on the Conservative or RTL line, I say, &quot;Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please. please, please. please, please, please, please give the Republicans another shot at Gore.

Yeeeaaarrgghh!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a right &#8211; to &#8211; lifer who geenrally votes for Republicans on the Conservative or RTL line, I say, &#8220;Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please. please, please. please, please, please, please give the Republicans another shot at Gore.</p>
<p>Yeeeaaarrgghh!</p>
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		<title>By: spazmo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/the-return/#comment-2034</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore certainly has one thing going for him: he has proven he can win elections.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore certainly has one thing going for him: he has proven he can win elections.</p>
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