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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/gop-rep-shoot-the-press/#comment-1996</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody help me out here.

Just a couple of weeks ago, there were several commenters here who just insisted that &lt;i&gt;Dick Durbin compared our troops to Nazi!!!!&lt;/i&gt; when, of course, he did no such thing.

Oliver engages in just the same sort of foolishness when he pretends that Peter King wants anyone actually shot. But now all those people who couldn&#039;t grasp what Durbin had to say are suddenly capable of reading a little nuance into King&#039;s remark.

Either you people have been studying really hard the last two weeks, or you&#039;re reading King&#039;s remark much more generously than you read Durbin.

Which, please?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody help me out here.</p>
<p>Just a couple of weeks ago, there were several commenters here who just insisted that <i>Dick Durbin compared our troops to Nazi!!!!</i> when, of course, he did no such thing.</p>
<p>Oliver engages in just the same sort of foolishness when he pretends that Peter King wants anyone actually shot. But now all those people who couldn&#8217;t grasp what Durbin had to say are suddenly capable of reading a little nuance into King&#8217;s remark.</p>
<p>Either you people have been studying really hard the last two weeks, or you&#8217;re reading King&#8217;s remark much more generously than you read Durbin.</p>
<p>Which, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/gop-rep-shoot-the-press/#comment-1995</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full context of the quote:

&quot;No, Joe Wilson, she recommended, his wife recommended him for this job in Niger. He said the vice president recommended him. To me, she took it off the table. Once she allowed him to go ahead and say that and write his op-ed in the New York Times, to have Tim Russert give him a full hour on Meet the Press saying he was sent there as a representative of the vice president, when she knew -- she knew herself -- that she was the one that recommended him for this job, she allowed that lie to go forward, involving the vice president of the United States, and the president. Then to me she should be the last one in the world who has any right to complain about anything, and Joe Wilson has no right to complain, and I think people like Tim Russert and the others who gave this guy such a free ride in all the media, they&#039;re the ones that ought to be shot, not Karl Rove.&quot;

Kinda changes the meaning of the remark, doesn&#039;t it?  And King is exactly right - if Joseph Wilson gave a rat&#039;s behind about the &quot;secrecy&quot; of his wife&#039;s identity then he wouldn&#039;t have perpetuated the lie that Dick Cheney sent him to Niger, because a little investigating would have quickly revealed
-- with or without Karl Rove&#039;s help --  that he was lying, and that his wife was the one who set up the trip.   You have to be pretty dense not to see that Wilson himself set the stage for his wife to be &quot;outed.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full context of the quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;No, Joe Wilson, she recommended, his wife recommended him for this job in Niger. He said the vice president recommended him. To me, she took it off the table. Once she allowed him to go ahead and say that and write his op-ed in the New York Times, to have Tim Russert give him a full hour on Meet the Press saying he was sent there as a representative of the vice president, when she knew &#8212; she knew herself &#8212; that she was the one that recommended him for this job, she allowed that lie to go forward, involving the vice president of the United States, and the president. Then to me she should be the last one in the world who has any right to complain about anything, and Joe Wilson has no right to complain, and I think people like Tim Russert and the others who gave this guy such a free ride in all the media, they&#8217;re the ones that ought to be shot, not Karl Rove.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kinda changes the meaning of the remark, doesn&#8217;t it?  And King is exactly right &#8211; if Joseph Wilson gave a rat&#8217;s behind about the &#8220;secrecy&#8221; of his wife&#8217;s identity then he wouldn&#8217;t have perpetuated the lie that Dick Cheney sent him to Niger, because a little investigating would have quickly revealed<br />
&#8211; with or without Karl Rove&#8217;s help &#8212;  that he was lying, and that his wife was the one who set up the trip.   You have to be pretty dense not to see that Wilson himself set the stage for his wife to be &#8220;outed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Boronx</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/gop-rep-shoot-the-press/#comment-1994</link>
		<dc:creator>Boronx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t watch the video, but it doesn&#039;t read like a metaphor, it reads like he&#039;s paranoid and is imagining a clamor from the left to put Rove in front of a firing squad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t watch the video, but it doesn&#8217;t read like a metaphor, it reads like he&#8217;s paranoid and is imagining a clamor from the left to put Rove in front of a firing squad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/gop-rep-shoot-the-press/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope no politician ever uses the term, &quot;Hung him out to dry.&quot;

Oliver Willis: GOP: Endorse Hangings!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope no politician ever uses the term, &#8220;Hung him out to dry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oliver Willis: GOP: Endorse Hangings!!</p>
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		<title>By: pionar</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/13/gop-rep-shoot-the-press/#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator>pionar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter King is an idiot, but OW, you obviously are misrepresenting his statement.  You left off a HUGE part of what he said.  Right after he said, &quot;they re the ones to be shot,&quot; he said, &quot;not Karl Rove.&quot;

So, it&#039;s very obvious to me that he&#039;s using a metaphor and you&#039;ve just gone off the deep end.

Just sit down.  This is nothing.

But for King to insinuate that it&#039;s ok to out an operative because her husband lied is just disgusting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter King is an idiot, but OW, you obviously are misrepresenting his statement.  You left off a HUGE part of what he said.  Right after he said, &#8220;they re the ones to be shot,&#8221; he said, &#8220;not Karl Rove.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s very obvious to me that he&#8217;s using a metaphor and you&#8217;ve just gone off the deep end.</p>
<p>Just sit down.  This is nothing.</p>
<p>But for King to insinuate that it&#8217;s ok to out an operative because her husband lied is just disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet. the Globe was making a clear metaphor whereas this idiot Rep on your side made it clear he feels we should shoot reporters.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet. the Globe was making a clear metaphor whereas this idiot Rep on your side made it clear he feels we should shoot reporters.</p>
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		<title>By: evergreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>evergreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter King is an idiot.

That&#039;s my metaphor.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter King is an idiot.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: bogman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bogman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will somebody in the Dem establishment please point out the following?

The WH, through the RNC talking points, is trying to spin this that Rove was simply trying to set the record straight on who sent Wilson to Niger.

You know, if you&#039;re trying to set the record straight, you go ON THE RECORD.

The only reason for Rove to go under &quot;double super secret background&quot; was to hide the fact that he was the source for an unlawful outing of a covert agent.

If Plame was not covert, he could&#039;ve and would&#039;ve gone on the record.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will somebody in the Dem establishment please point out the following?</p>
<p>The WH, through the RNC talking points, is trying to spin this that Rove was simply trying to set the record straight on who sent Wilson to Niger.</p>
<p>You know, if you&#8217;re trying to set the record straight, you go ON THE RECORD.</p>
<p>The only reason for Rove to go under &#8220;double super secret background&#8221; was to hide the fact that he was the source for an unlawful outing of a covert agent.</p>
<p>If Plame was not covert, he could&#8217;ve and would&#8217;ve gone on the record.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rove could have &quot;set the record straight&quot; about who sent Wilson to Niger just by saying the CIA did it. There was never any need to mention her at all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rove could have &#8220;set the record straight&#8221; about who sent Wilson to Niger just by saying the CIA did it. There was never any need to mention her at all.</p>
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		<title>By: nawoods</title>
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		<dc:creator>nawoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.My.God.  Anything to score points, huh?  Its a freakin&#039; metaphor.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.My.God.  Anything to score points, huh?  Its a freakin&#8217; metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they re the ones to be shot&quot;
Yes, no gun reference there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they re the ones to be shot&#8221;<br />
Yes, no gun reference there.</p>
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		<title>By: PSU94</title>
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		<dc:creator>PSU94</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, really.  Using your logic (or lack thereof), one just needs to go one post down to prove that you really think the Boston Globe editorial board wants Bush to take Rove outside and go all Karla Faye Tucker on him, and that you ENDORSE the axe-murder of Rove.

Next time, throw a picture of Jessica Alba in between or something so you don&#039;t contradict yourself in consecutive posts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, really.  Using your logic (or lack thereof), one just needs to go one post down to prove that you really think the Boston Globe editorial board wants Bush to take Rove outside and go all Karla Faye Tucker on him, and that you ENDORSE the axe-murder of Rove.</p>
<p>Next time, throw a picture of Jessica Alba in between or something so you don&#8217;t contradict yourself in consecutive posts.</p>
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		<title>By: pionar</title>
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		<dc:creator>pionar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Oliver, way to take a metaphor out of context.  Man, usually I&#039;m on your side, but you&#039;re just being silly here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Oliver, way to take a metaphor out of context.  Man, usually I&#8217;m on your side, but you&#8217;re just being silly here.</p>
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		<title>By: TomY</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I hope we can get a tearful apology out of him. But nobody likes reporters, so I guess we won&#039;t. Still, it shows how desperate they&#039;re getting that all their talking points suck so blatantly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I hope we can get a tearful apology out of him. But nobody likes reporters, so I guess we won&#8217;t. Still, it shows how desperate they&#8217;re getting that all their talking points suck so blatantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for heavens sake! He is not talking about being shot with a gun.

What the hell is the matter with all of you people??
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for heavens sake! He is not talking about being shot with a gun.</p>
<p>What the hell is the matter with all of you people??</p>
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