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By: The Poor Man » Yes, Virginia, there really is a John Gibson. Now get the hell away from him.

Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:12:40 +0000

[...] ay think that these people deserve these crappy awards, but as far as I m concerned, they all deserve a medal!

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By: HongPong.com » Blog Archive » More very bad things for Karl Rove, and Bolton was probably invol

Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:07:48 +0000

[...] OX News fucking maniacal John Gibson (QT video) and the rest of the media reaction. Gibson is even more scary today (QT video). Valerie Plame should h [...]

By: nawoods

nawoods — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:07:11 +0000

TomY, Sorry, I don't know how to turn these into links, but go here and keep scrolling: http://justoneminute.typepad.com/ and here http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_07_10-2005_07_16.shtml#1121326634 Neither writer can be called strict partisans, though they would fall on the Republican side. You will note, however, that democrats do not have a monopoly when it comes to news reports and quoting officials when speculating on what is going on here.

By: midderpidge

midderpidge — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:07:55 +0000

This is National Security we’re talking about right? Someone in the White House seems to have been very loose with handling classified information, appearances indicate Karl Rove at least, does he have to be guilty before restricting Security Clearances? If Rove were Arab he would probably be down in Gitmo right now.

By: Real on DetNews

Real on DetNews — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:07:26 +0000

Fox News John Gibson should resign!

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen a national “news” anchor say – FOX News anchor John Gibson said onair that he thought Karl Rove deserves a medal if he outed Valerie Plame.

Yes, read it again – Gibby is happy a NOC was ex…

By: TomY

TomY — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:07:57 +0000

News reports. Quoting officials. At the CIA and DoJ.
Vs.
Republican Pundits

I didn’t say I’d made up my mind on whether KR committed a crime, but I fully stand by the statement that, as of now, the side that’s got more facts on its side AINT the White House.

By: HongPong.com

HongPong.com — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:07:22 +0000

More very bad things for Karl Rove, and Bolton was probably involved with Yellowcake as well

Stay tuned here for one hell of a scandal…. Damn skippy, things are blowing up all over the place. The Star Tribune just put up a pretty scathing editorial about Rove, Wilson and the case for war, for the July 14 newspaper, “Karl Rove/Real issue is…

By: erim.net » blog archive » the architect of spin

erim.net » blog archive » the architect of spin — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:07:49 +0000

[...] recommending her husband to her CIA superiors. Charming, John. Here s a link to his lovely rant. It s seriously disgusting, but the crux of his argumen [...]

By: vkurry

vkurry — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:57 +0000

If you ever wondered what happened to Beavis, Butthead and Winger, they grew up to become Gibson, Holmes and Hannity. They should use these clowns in a breeding experiment and sell registered dumbasses, might help lower the deficit.

By: nawoods

nawoods — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:54 +0000

This is asinine. Where did you get “But thank you for making it clear that Democrats are the ones using evidence in their arguments, and Republicans are down to mere speculation”? I’m not a republican, nor a democrat. I belong to the “Politicians are lying, greedy, worthless sacks of shit” party (and yet, I’m a political junky, it doesn’t make sense). The only people using real evidence here are the DoJ and the people investigating this mess. Follow your advice and listen to yourself, and then listen to me, because we are talking past each other. Your arguments have all along been based on speculation, because thats all ANY of us really have, including republicans and their pundits. Thats what I’ve been saying. Yeah, I did throw out a scenario, but that was to play devil’s advocate. Sorry if that confused you. But to connect Rove to a crime that has not even been called one yet, and then call for his resignation or jailing is premature. The only way you can get to that point is through speculation and guessing. That also goes for the people calling the man a hero. They don’t know either. None of us will have the full picture until there is an indictment and trial, or a statement from Fitzgerald telling us to move along, there’s nothing to see here.

But, if I’ve helped you feel superior, then fine. I guess I should say your welcome and be on my way.

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:34 +0000

“Wait for the investigation to finish, and then you can call for peoples heads.”

No doubt that’s what you’d be saying if this happened in a Democratic administration.

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:58 +0000

I don’t think the speculations of conservative pundit are automatically wrong, but as far as authority goes, it’s simply not good enough when we’ve provided articles sourced to people who do know at the DoJ or the CIA, nawoods. At least get an article from the moonie times or the WSJ with a quote from SOMEBODY at those agencies.

By: Jadegold

Jadegold — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:54 +0000

Perhaps you have something against your neighbor, and you want to cause them some trouble. So you file a complaint even though nothing actually happened, or you exagerate what did happen.

Doesn’t work. Remember the CIA isn’t calling DoJ to put the FBI on report–it is calling DoJ because they–the CIA–felt their organization was the victim of a crime.

Again, we can’t forget the CIA isn’t a neophyte when it comes to security and legal matters.

By: nawoods

nawoods — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:45 +0000

You want to speculate? Hell, Judith Miller is still sitting in jail. Why? If we all know that Rove was “the source”, then she has no reason to protect him, right? So maybe there are some other players involved. Maybe Rove isn’t the guy afterall. I know you all would love it to be him. As for me, I could care less. I have nothing for the guy or Bush or republicans in general for that matter. But what if it wasn’t?

By: nawoods

nawoods — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:39 +0000

Sigh, I give up. I’m not arguing with ya’ll. One more time. Jadegold. It does work. The CIA thought that someone committed a crime. Yes, I am quite sure they are not neophytes when it comes to security and legal matters, and they ver well could be right. But the DoJ has the last word. They decide whether a crime was actually committed or not.

TomY

Whatever. I’m not going to do your research for you. I don’t care about the quotes. I don’t care about any of it. I stand by my assertion that none of this matters. What matters is the investigation, and anything else, from both sides, is speculation. And the conclusions people reach depend on which team they cheer for. Its stupid. Wait for the investigation to finish, and then you can call for peoples heads.

By: Jadegold

Jadegold — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:12 +0000

nawoods: Here’s the problem: if AWOL George and ‘lil Scottie McClellan are as eager to “get to the bottom” of this “ongoing investigation”—why doesn’t AWOL George order his people to waive Miller’s confidentiality agreement?

After all, no crime was committed–right?

By: TomY

TomY — Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:09 +0000

“I m not going to do your research for you.”

Nor are you going to make any arguments other than “hey, here’s a conservative who speculates…” and you expect me to give that equal weight to news reports sourcing from the DoJ and the CIA? Listen to yourself, why don’t you? But thank you for making it clear that Democrats are the ones using evidence in their arguments, and Republicans are down to mere speculation. Go team!