What a dumb ass statement…

It is really pathetic how members of the Left, which used to stand against Facism and for the common man, have turned into apologists, cheerleaders and rules lawyers for one of the most vile, warmongering Tyrants in recent history.

The same could be said of the right and their blind support for Bush.
Tool.

From your own link;

“This weekend the Liberal Democrat peer Lord Goodhart, vice-president of the International Commission of Jurists and a world authority on international law, said the intensified raids were illegal —if— they were meant to pressurise the regime.”

IF. Funny how the journalist ignored that big IF when he wrote the headline. At any rate, it is immaterial as Saddams breaches of the cease-fire agreement had been documented in 6 UN resolutions – which relate to his lackof cooperation with the inspection regime and have nothing to do with allied bombing of air defense sites which were firing on coalition aircraft.

It is really pathetic how members of the Left, which used to stand against Facism and for the common man, have turned into apologists, cheerleaders and rules lawyers for one of the most vile, warmongering Tyrants in recent history.

How proud you must be of Ramsay Clark.

we instigated the violation of the cease-fire agreement.

Just a reminder.

You may have had the good sense to notice that I pointed out the fact that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are soverign and then pointed out why attacking these sovereign nations was not in our strategic interests.

So, if you’re goint to criticize leaders you don’t like for attacking soverign nations, to maintain your credibility you’re going to have to justify you own foreign policy pronnouncements from a strategic point of view.

So, what’s the strategy behind the suggestion that President Bush commence attacks on Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?

Oliver is saying we are allowing Pakistan’s borders to likely harbor OBL. Where his OBL intelligence data is comng from: me nots know.
Also how do we “allow” the borders of Pakistan to harbor OBL? By not invading? Did we give them a special “OBL Harbor Pass”.
I think whats being recommended hre is to invade Pakistan, a country with WMDs, just in case OBl is there. And that is supposedly a smarter thing to do than invading Iraq?

Dugger

Why do the left always throw around the word “sovereign” as if it had any bearing on the waging of war? Every nation we have ever gone to war with was sovereign (by definition). Germany was a soverign nation, as was Japan, etc., etc.

The difference between invading Afghanistan and Iraq and storming into Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is that in the first two cases we had a legitimate casus belli (the Taliban was known to be sheltering terrorists who had struck the American mainland, and Saddam had violated the Gulf-War cease-fire provisions).

The governments of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are currently our nominal allies; at any rate, they have not provided us with an iron-clad casus belli, so we can’t just send in the Marines.

“After 9/11 the duty of the president of the United States is to end the terrorist threat. An international border should be no obstacle to that goal, and anything otherwise is an offense to our nation.”

Agreed, but having the moral right to send in the Marines does not automatically make it the smartest move if your long-term goal is victory in the greater War on Terror. Patience is a virtue.

True re Iraq sovreignty, but agree with it or not, the idea behind Iraq was to overthrow the Baathist regime. Change the country. Take away the sovreignty of the regime. As I understand Oliver’’s position, it isn’t that we should should invade Pakistan and topple their gov., but go in and (magically, somehow) extract OBL (Oliver knows where he is, evidently) – irrespective of Pakistani wishes. I sense he really doesn’t mean this but is struggling for a way to make Bush look bad – from a non-leftish perspective.

Dugger
Dugger

‘Sovereign’ according to who, their self-installed dictator?!?

“I think I have found a simple way to say it: He can do what he wants, because his supporters will follow him wherever he goes, or he can listen to people who will never support him.”

Blind leading the blind…
This is good – you are on the right path…

After 9/11 the duty of the president of the United States is to end the terrorist threat. An international border should be no obstacle to that goal, and anything otherwise is an offense to our nation.

I thought that we did need to take it to the terrorists…I watched shock and awe…I pledged allegiance…
The problem a lot of us have is:
They lied about going to war -
They have not built a succesful campaign
They pulled out of Afghan too soon -
We should have stayed there until it was done and then made the next move…
The current administration is truly the gang that could not shoot straight.
Is that just hating or is that just an assesment of data?

I would, because that would be killing Al Qaeda (aka the people who are trying to kill us)

Does your anger toward the current administration blind you to common sense?

As Dugger said, above, Pakistan is a sovereign nation. So is Saudi Arabia.

Military action against Pakistan could very likely lead to a nuclear confrontation between Pakistan and India.

Saudi Arabia is the location of the holiest site in Islam. Military action against Saudi Arabia would likely result in blowback exponentially surpassing what happened in London yesterday.

Doing either would be far more reckless than what you accuse the current administration of doing in Iraq.

“I do not need the Key to McDonnalds to know that eating a pile of shit is a good idea”

Oliver Willis thinks its is time we get serious about terrorism.

Here is your basic problem. You are all about deriding Bush and the Rs – attributing to them the basest of motives. Yet neither you nor the opposition has one single, solid idea as to what should be done as an alternative. When there hasn’t been a recent T act, the criticism comes hot, heavy and vulgar about how we are persecuting poor Muslims, defiling the Koran, trampling civil liberties, etc. But come an attack, its: why aren’t you doing more? Why don’t you just go arrest those Ts?

Its like the listening to fussing kids in the back seat of a car on vacation. Nevr satisfied. The adults need to be patient and keep their hands on the wheel and eyes on the road.

I don’t particularly support Iraq, but I’m not sure I am right and the London attack – with the message that we need to get out of Iraq and Afghan. – weakens my doubts,. This is truly a worldwide war on terroism and we have to act and think strategically. That might well mean closing down Iraq as a place to either shelter or sustain Ts. Also a place to send a clear message to other T enabler countries. Maybe the Neocons had this figured right, after all.

Dugger

it s a testament to his inability to lead that he hasn t done so, and a stunning condemnation of his supporters that they simply don t care

!=

after calling him a stupid  smirking chimp

Ya dig?