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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neo,

Was away for a day.  You, of course, offer a very limited menu.  And your question is loaded with unproven presumptions.

I assume you are not a mind reader and we&#039;ll eliminate &quot;lying.&quot;

Ignorant?  Maybe theres a little to this - but not much. No where, has anybody documented any &quot;cooked&quot; (meaning purposefully falsified) intelligence (be careful here, Perp Walk Wilson will leadeth astray)   .  All you have really got is that we did not find  a cache of higher class WMDs in Iraq.  It has not been proven that they were not there (or, to be fair,  certainly, vice versa).  And many varied and independent intelligence reports as well as intelligent observers from both sides of the political spectrum said they were.  Many options here.  Most likely is that the Admin was wrong in suggesting we would find actual WMDs.  That could be because they were moved, hidden or destroyed. Or maybe Bush, Kerry, Clinton, CIA, foreign intell services,  etc.,  were all wrong and they were NEVER there.  Common snese tells me too many on the one side for there to not have been some &quot;fire&quot; behind the WMD smoke at some point.

Dugger, Who Would Not Lie to You (unless he&#039;s lying here)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo,</p>
<p>Was away for a day.  You, of course, offer a very limited menu.  And your question is loaded with unproven presumptions.</p>
<p>I assume you are not a mind reader and we&#8217;ll eliminate &#8220;lying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ignorant?  Maybe theres a little to this &#8211; but not much. No where, has anybody documented any &#8220;cooked&#8221; (meaning purposefully falsified) intelligence (be careful here, Perp Walk Wilson will leadeth astray)   .  All you have really got is that we did not find  a cache of higher class WMDs in Iraq.  It has not been proven that they were not there (or, to be fair,  certainly, vice versa).  And many varied and independent intelligence reports as well as intelligent observers from both sides of the political spectrum said they were.  Many options here.  Most likely is that the Admin was wrong in suggesting we would find actual WMDs.  That could be because they were moved, hidden or destroyed. Or maybe Bush, Kerry, Clinton, CIA, foreign intell services,  etc.,  were all wrong and they were NEVER there.  Common snese tells me too many on the one side for there to not have been some &#8220;fire&#8221; behind the WMD smoke at some point.</p>
<p>Dugger, Who Would Not Lie to You (unless he&#8217;s lying here)</p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrloopy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator>neoconsrloopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger, either your beloved administration are liars for telling us that Iraq was a threat or ignorant for believing cooked intelligence.  Which one do you choose?

&quot;But Clinton&quot; is not one of the choices.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger, either your beloved administration are liars for telling us that Iraq was a threat or ignorant for believing cooked intelligence.  Which one do you choose?</p>
<p>&#8220;But Clinton&#8221; is not one of the choices.</p>
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		<title>By: dugger1</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>dugger1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garth,

Are you able to think about this yourself, rather than directing me/someone to a highly partisan political site.  You said &quot;lie&quot;, meaning you have knowledge of his intent.  Mind reader are we?  No lie, any time/any place, has been documented.  Zero. Nada.  While I understand the left sings this in chorus, the remainder of the world, that part whose life does not revolve daily around Bush-hate, has a tad higher intellectual standard.
Now, are you able to respond?  Yourself? Or do I get another reference to a rabid left wing site?

Dugger, No brag, just Fact

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garth,</p>
<p>Are you able to think about this yourself, rather than directing me/someone to a highly partisan political site.  You said &#8220;lie&#8221;, meaning you have knowledge of his intent.  Mind reader are we?  No lie, any time/any place, has been documented.  Zero. Nada.  While I understand the left sings this in chorus, the remainder of the world, that part whose life does not revolve daily around Bush-hate, has a tad higher intellectual standard.<br />
Now, are you able to respond?  Yourself? Or do I get another reference to a rabid left wing site?</p>
<p>Dugger, No brag, just Fact</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an interesting take by a journalist on why Miller should go to jail:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an interesting take by a journalist on why Miller should go to jail:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002161.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Schadenfreude would be my exclaiming  Ha Ha  upon hearing that you d been called up Vincent.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re a bitter little one, aren&#039;t you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Schadenfreude would be my exclaiming  Ha Ha  upon hearing that you d been called up Vincent.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re a bitter little one, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: CommonSenseDesk</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>CommonSenseDesk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Miller Goes To Jail&lt;/strong&gt;

Judy Miller was ordered to jail today fo
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Miller Goes To Jail</strong></p>
<p>Judy Miller was ordered to jail today fo</p>
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		<title>By: garth</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, Dugger. You&#039;re a moron. They did lie. They fixed the intel. They lied about weapons. How dumb are you? Your moronic hairsplitting wastes time and effort. &quot;Of course we know where the WMD&#039;s are, they&#039;re to the north, south, east and west of Tikrit&quot;. Wha...hold on...gotta stop...laughing.

try Bushlies.com for a starter. work outward from there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, Dugger. You&#8217;re a moron. They did lie. They fixed the intel. They lied about weapons. How dumb are you? Your moronic hairsplitting wastes time and effort. &#8220;Of course we know where the WMD&#8217;s are, they&#8217;re to the north, south, east and west of Tikrit&#8221;. Wha&#8230;hold on&#8230;gotta stop&#8230;laughing.</p>
<p>try Bushlies.com for a starter. work outward from there.</p>
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		<title>By: cypher</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>cypher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice is not schadenfreude, justice is justice.  And no, she will only be thinking of how much a victim she is.  Schadenfreude would be my exclaiming &quot;Ha Ha&quot; upon hearing that you&#039;d been called up Vincent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice is not schadenfreude, justice is justice.  And no, she will only be thinking of how much a victim she is.  Schadenfreude would be my exclaiming &#8220;Ha Ha&#8221; upon hearing that you&#8217;d been called up Vincent.</p>
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		<title>By: Zappa</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1184</link>
		<dc:creator>Zappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Integrity is one thing - another is proctecting a criminal.  While I am disappointed that it came to this - I don&#039;t think that Cooper and Miller were obligated to protect their source once it became a criminal investigation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Integrity is one thing &#8211; another is proctecting a criminal.  While I am disappointed that it came to this &#8211; I don&#8217;t think that Cooper and Miller were obligated to protect their source once it became a criminal investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Upper Left</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>Upper Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On yet another story&amp; &lt;/strong&gt;

&amp; I can&#039;t seem to mine for some inspired liberal outrage, Oliver speaks for me...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On yet another story&#038; </strong></p>
<p>&#038; I can&#8217;t seem to mine for some inspired liberal outrage, Oliver speaks for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: philj</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1182</link>
		<dc:creator>philj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dugger,
Those on &#039;the left&#039; who voted to &#039;start the war&#039; did so thinking they weren&#039;t being lied to and fleeced with the BS provided by our current administration.  I wouldn&#039;t consider that to be pious--the right has a monopoly on that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugger,<br />
Those on &#8216;the left&#8217; who voted to &#8216;start the war&#8217; did so thinking they weren&#8217;t being lied to and fleeced with the BS provided by our current administration.  I wouldn&#8217;t consider that to be pious&#8211;the right has a monopoly on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>philj,

C/mon.  Who&#039;s more pious than a sanctimonius leftist - sure that he is 100% moral and all those mean ol&#039; conservatives are evil, macho, racist homophobes.  Speech codes at college.  Thats not he work of the pious?  And as to the war, you demonstrate my point.  you said &quot;lie&quot;.  Thats very pious becasue it is ana ssumption of faith on your part against the Admin.  Who can you show has &quot;lied&quot;.  Not mistaken, not wrong - you said &quot;lied&quot;.

Dugger
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>philj,</p>
<p>C/mon.  Who&#8217;s more pious than a sanctimonius leftist &#8211; sure that he is 100% moral and all those mean ol&#8217; conservatives are evil, macho, racist homophobes.  Speech codes at college.  Thats not he work of the pious?  And as to the war, you demonstrate my point.  you said &#8220;lie&#8221;.  Thats very pious becasue it is ana ssumption of faith on your part against the Admin.  Who can you show has &#8220;lied&#8221;.  Not mistaken, not wrong &#8211; you said &#8220;lied&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dugger</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wallowing in Schadenfreude, Oliver? Classy. Really.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wallowing in Schadenfreude, Oliver? Classy. Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Dugger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1179</link>
		<dc:creator>Dugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH, I wonder if the courageous Ms. Miller is thinking about  those on the left who supported a candidate who voted to start the war and then pledged to continue the war and how  they can reconcile their critiicsm of her and the war with their own pious posturing.

Dugger,  Hooray for Ms Miller&#039;s Integrity
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH, I wonder if the courageous Ms. Miller is thinking about  those on the left who supported a candidate who voted to start the war and then pledged to continue the war and how  they can reconcile their critiicsm of her and the war with their own pious posturing.</p>
<p>Dugger,  Hooray for Ms Miller&#8217;s Integrity</p>
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		<title>By: Zappa</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1178</link>
		<dc:creator>Zappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She must really have a high ranking source to hold on to it so tightly...I can&#039;t imagine that the DC jail is anything like Martha got...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She must really have a high ranking source to hold on to it so tightly&#8230;I can&#8217;t imagine that the DC jail is anything like Martha got&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mr.curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/07/06/pity-the-poor-journalist/#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>mr.curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy answer: nope.

She&#039;s a hero for the unethical bastards on the right. They&#039;ll buy her book (to be written in prison and tentatively titled &lt;i&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/i&gt;) in droves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy answer: nope.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a hero for the unethical bastards on the right. They&#8217;ll buy her book (to be written in prison and tentatively titled <i>Mein Kampf</i>) in droves.</p>
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