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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I'll just ignore you from now on, because you really are a pain in the ass, and these duels accomplish nothing...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll just ignore you from now on, because you really are a pain in the ass, and these duels accomplish nothing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-998</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put those goal posts down, Frank. You're gonna hurt yourself.

Funny how you shifted from "not wanting to be released" to "treated well."

Finally, try to get the point. On one hand you tell someone who asks you for a source to "go to the library." Then you turn right around and whine that "you liberals can never find a link."

There's a word for that. It's, um....on the tip of my tongue....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put those goal posts down, Frank. You&#8217;re gonna hurt yourself.</p>
<p>Funny how you shifted from &#8220;not wanting to be released&#8221; to &#8220;treated well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, try to get the point. On one hand you tell someone who asks you for a source to &#8220;go to the library.&#8221; Then you turn right around and whine that &#8220;you liberals can never find a link.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a word for that. It&#8217;s, um&#8230;.on the tip of my tongue&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-997</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, right off the bat, your first Google "find" is a post at Little Green Footballs that says 70 percent of &lt;i&gt;Americans&lt;/i&gt; say the detainees are treated well.

Now what was that about being good at Googling?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, right off the bat, your first Google &#8220;find&#8221; is a post at Little Green Footballs that says 70 percent of <i>Americans</i> say the detainees are treated well.</p>
<p>Now what was that about being good at Googling?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-996</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, you will say there are only two, and they are suspect, so you can browse through these 169,000
&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-16,GGLD:en&#038;q=prisoners+guantanamo+say+treated+well" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-16,GGLD:en&#038;q=prisoners+guantanamo+say+treated+well" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-16,GGLD:en&#038;q=prisoners+guantanamo+say+treated+well&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/2005/06/col_hunt_gitmo.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/2005/06/col_hunt_gitmo.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/2005/06/col_hunt_gitmo.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Col David Hunt, said he talked to a former Gitmo detainee, now living in Pakistan (he said he was taliban who supported al qaeda). He was released after 2 years, and he said that he lived better at the prison than any other time in his life.

Afghan detainees say they were treated well

&lt;a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-10-29-afghan-detainees_x.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-10-29-afghan-detainees_x.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-10-29-afghan-detainees_x.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Incidentally, I didn't say I would do this. I said you could do it. Apparently, you're better at righteous indignation, than you are at "Googling"
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, you will say there are only two, and they are suspect, so you can browse through these 169,000<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-16,GGLD:en&#038;q=prisoners+guantanamo+say+treated+well" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-16,GGLD:en&#038;q=prisoners+guantanamo+say+treated+well" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-16,GGLD:en&#038;q=prisoners+guantanamo+say+treated+well</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/2005/06/col_hunt_gitmo.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/2005/06/col_hunt_gitmo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebluesite.com/archives/2005/06/col_hunt_gitmo.html</a></p>
<p>Col David Hunt, said he talked to a former Gitmo detainee, now living in Pakistan (he said he was taliban who supported al qaeda). He was released after 2 years, and he said that he lived better at the prison than any other time in his life.</p>
<p>Afghan detainees say they were treated well</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-10-29-afghan-detainees_x.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-10-29-afghan-detainees_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-10-29-afghan-detainees_x.htm</a></p>
<p>Incidentally, I didn&#8217;t say I would do this. I said you could do it. Apparently, you&#8217;re better at righteous indignation, than you are at &#8220;Googling&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BinkyBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-995</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you name another instance of him gassing his own people?

I'm not saying the man was a saint, he was far from it.  I just believe there were better ways to remove him from power than killing tens of thousands of Iraqis and throwing the entire country into a civil war with us in the middle.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you name another instance of him gassing his own people?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the man was a saint, he was far from it.  I just believe there were better ways to remove him from power than killing tens of thousands of Iraqis and throwing the entire country into a civil war with us in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-994</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think &lt;b&gt;quoting&lt;/b&gt; from a link is ignoring it.
How's this for a confession -- liberal style?
With the exception of the poison gas exchange at Halabja, Hussein never killed his own people. And I thought he was a villain.
Silly me.
How's that?
By the way, I'm not a neo - con.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think <b>quoting</b> from a link is ignoring it.<br />
How&#8217;s this for a confession &#8212; liberal style?<br />
With the exception of the poison gas exchange at Halabja, Hussein never killed his own people. And I thought he was a villain.<br />
Silly me.<br />
How&#8217;s that?<br />
By the way, I&#8217;m not a neo - con.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you still haven't given me even one link where I can read about all those happy vacationers at Club Gitmo, Frank.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you still haven&#8217;t given me even one link where I can read about all those happy vacationers at Club Gitmo, Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: BinkyBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-992</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I posted a link and you casually ignore it.  Great.  You'll probably go around repeating the neo-Con mantra that "Saddam gassed his own people" some more, conveniently forgetting this exchange.  Great to see you have a one track mind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I posted a link and you casually ignore it.  Great.  You&#8217;ll probably go around repeating the neo-Con mantra that &#8220;Saddam gassed his own people&#8221; some more, conveniently forgetting this exchange.  Great to see you have a one track mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker, you've been basking in Oliver's light for too long, and it has blinded you. I told you that I wasn't going to find several links for all the stories I've read, about &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; subject.

You lefties never use links for anything. I don't blame you.
First of all, you don't want anybody to see a source and judge for themselves the context and other factors in the story.
Second of all, most of your "information" comes from distortions posted at DU and similar locales, and the you just want to keep the myths rolling.

For example, BinkyBoy finds a link (yay!) about the gassing of the Kurds which says &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town ... The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target," he wrote.
The former CIA official revealed that immediately after the battle the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report that said it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds.
&lt;b&gt;Both sides used gas&lt;/b&gt; [emphasis mine - fd] at Halabja, Pelletiere suggested.
"The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent   that is, a cyanide-based gas   which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time."
"A War Crime Or an Act of War?" was the way The Times' headline writer neatly summed up Pelletiere's argument.
No doubt, Saddam has mistreated Kurds during his rule. But it's misleading to say, so simply and without context, that he killed his own people by gassing 5,000 Kurds at Halabja&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As I said, having read that, I guess I should now hate Bush, and call for the withdrawal of all our troops from Iraq.
While we're at it, let's put Hussein back in office -- let's see how long it takes him to kill 100,000 Iraqis. Without gas, of course.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker, you&#8217;ve been basking in Oliver&#8217;s light for too long, and it has blinded you. I told you that I wasn&#8217;t going to find several links for all the stories I&#8217;ve read, about <i>one</i> subject.</p>
<p>You lefties never use links for anything. I don&#8217;t blame you.<br />
First of all, you don&#8217;t want anybody to see a source and judge for themselves the context and other factors in the story.<br />
Second of all, most of your &#8220;information&#8221; comes from distortions posted at DU and similar locales, and the you just want to keep the myths rolling.</p>
<p>For example, BinkyBoy finds a link (yay!) about the gassing of the Kurds which says<br />
<blockquote><i>Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town &#8230; The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq&#8217;s main target,&#8221; he wrote.<br />
The former CIA official revealed that immediately after the battle the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report that said it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds.<br />
<b>Both sides used gas</b> [emphasis mine - fd] at Halabja, Pelletiere suggested.<br />
&#8220;The condition of the dead Kurds&#8217; bodies however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent   that is, a cyanide-based gas   which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;A War Crime Or an Act of War?&#8221; was the way The Times&#8217; headline writer neatly summed up Pelletiere&#8217;s argument.<br />
No doubt, Saddam has mistreated Kurds during his rule. But it&#8217;s misleading to say, so simply and without context, that he killed his own people by gassing 5,000 Kurds at Halabja</i></p></blockquote>
<p>As I said, having read that, I guess I should now hate Bush, and call for the withdrawal of all our troops from Iraq.<br />
While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s put Hussein back in office &#8212; let&#8217;s see how long it takes him to kill 100,000 Iraqis. Without gas, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-990</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Frank, don't tell us you didn't say that. &lt;a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/21/wimp-out/#comment-471" rel="nofollow"&gt;You did.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I read newspapers and magazines, besides reading  blogs. I m not going to list them all for you. Go to the library.
There have been numerous reports of &lt;b&gt;prisoners not wanting to be released,&lt;/b&gt; stories of how they are treated, what they eat, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Frank, don&#8217;t tell us you didn&#8217;t say that. <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/21/wimp-out/#comment-471" rel="nofollow">You did.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I read newspapers and magazines, besides reading  blogs. I m not going to list them all for you. Go to the library.<br />
There have been numerous reports of <b>prisoners not wanting to be released,</b> stories of how they are treated, what they eat, etc.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can t you guys ever find a link? Or do you just make it up as you go along? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This from the same guy who told me to "go to the library" when I asked where you learned about all those Guantanamo detainees who are having such a good time they don't want to go home?

Haw.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can t you guys ever find a link? Or do you just make it up as you go along? </p></blockquote>
<p>This from the same guy who told me to &#8220;go to the library&#8221; when I asked where you learned about all those Guantanamo detainees who are having such a good time they don&#8217;t want to go home?</p>
<p>Haw.</p>
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		<title>By: BinkyBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-988</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gassing of the Kurds: &lt;a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

As for the New Diyala Bridge, its contract is still doubted by many.  The story was widely accepted at first, but no source has confirmed or denied it.  It is said by an Iraqi that an Iraqi firm bid $300,000 to the CPA but was turned down.  Some time later it was told a $50,000,000 bid was accepted for an American firm. It doesn't mention the firm, but that would most likely be Bechtel, which doesn't show a $50,000,000 contract in their reporting.

I'm still just shocked that you so eagerly believe that American companies that overcharge for services are going to return the money.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gassing of the Kurds: <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm</a></p>
<p>As for the New Diyala Bridge, its contract is still doubted by many.  The story was widely accepted at first, but no source has confirmed or denied it.  It is said by an Iraqi that an Iraqi firm bid $300,000 to the CPA but was turned down.  Some time later it was told a $50,000,000 bid was accepted for an American firm. It doesn&#8217;t mention the firm, but that would most likely be Bechtel, which doesn&#8217;t show a $50,000,000 contract in their reporting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still just shocked that you so eagerly believe that American companies that overcharge for services are going to return the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mostly_Muppet</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/06/29/the-numbers/#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>Mostly_Muppet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://afterdowningstreet.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://afterdowningstreet.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://afterdowningstreet.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

And, personally, I think minutiae matters quite a bit. Regardless of your political stripes, we should all demand the most open and honest discourse from our elected officials. Keeping secrets only furthers the impression that what you're hiding is illicit.

Maybe if most of the public had known the intentions of our leadership concerning war with Iraq, things would have turned out differently.  Or not.  I don't know.  We weren't given the full, straight story and so it's difficult to speculate.

My main concern is the ongoing insurgency and our protracted (permanent?) presence in Iraq. I have a high school buddy working as a military contractor in Mosul and I worry about him daily. He's a policeman back in Indiana who felt called to duty. His stories are both heartwarming (the courage of the Iraqi men who sign up to be trained as police officers - something he supervises) and frightening (ill-equipped soldiers having to beg munitions).

I've rambled on here, but my gut feeling remains that I'm not getting a full, complete or accurate picture of the situation in Iraq and our government and our media is complicit in fostering a false view.  Some things might be shittier than I've described.  Some things might be great.  I don't know.  But I do know that I don't have that unflinching trust in our President that my grandfather had in FDR when he enlisted in the Army.

If I was asked to sacrifice -  to buy war bonds, to build ships, to give more money than I already contribute - I would.  But, instead, I'm being asked to have patience and that things are fine.  Optimism is one thing and I try to be an optimist, but I want some acknowledgement of the reality of the situation.

I guess I'm saying what Fox Mulder used to say on the X-Files: "I want to believe".  Trouble is, I think the President's vision of the situation is every bit as flawed as Mulder's.

;-)
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<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669640,00.html</a></p>
<p>And, personally, I think minutiae matters quite a bit. Regardless of your political stripes, we should all demand the most open and honest discourse from our elected officials. Keeping secrets only furthers the impression that what you&#8217;re hiding is illicit.</p>
<p>Maybe if most of the public had known the intentions of our leadership concerning war with Iraq, things would have turned out differently.  Or not.  I don&#8217;t know.  We weren&#8217;t given the full, straight story and so it&#8217;s difficult to speculate.</p>
<p>My main concern is the ongoing insurgency and our protracted (permanent?) presence in Iraq. I have a high school buddy working as a military contractor in Mosul and I worry about him daily. He&#8217;s a policeman back in Indiana who felt called to duty. His stories are both heartwarming (the courage of the Iraqi men who sign up to be trained as police officers - something he supervises) and frightening (ill-equipped soldiers having to beg munitions).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve rambled on here, but my gut feeling remains that I&#8217;m not getting a full, complete or accurate picture of the situation in Iraq and our government and our media is complicit in fostering a false view.  Some things might be shittier than I&#8217;ve described.  Some things might be great.  I don&#8217;t know.  But I do know that I don&#8217;t have that unflinching trust in our President that my grandfather had in FDR when he enlisted in the Army.</p>
<p>If I was asked to sacrifice -  to buy war bonds, to build ships, to give more money than I already contribute - I would.  But, instead, I&#8217;m being asked to have patience and that things are fine.  Optimism is one thing and I try to be an optimist, but I want some acknowledgement of the reality of the situation.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m saying what Fox Mulder used to say on the X-Files: &#8220;I want to believe&#8221;.  Trouble is, I think the President&#8217;s vision of the situation is every bit as flawed as Mulder&#8217;s.<br />
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess all this minutiae is supposed to shock me into hating Bush and calling for the immediate withdrawal of our troops?
Can't you guys ever find a link? Or do you just make it up as you go along?
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Can&#8217;t you guys ever find a link? Or do you just make it up as you go along?</p>
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		<title>By: pionar</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply because the contracts were legal, Frank, doesn't mean it was ethical or right.
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		<title>By: BinkyBoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I'm sure that Frank_D was vastly aware of the Iraqi engineering business that stepped forward, requesting to repair the northern Baghdad bridge for under $500,000, but our Government said no, the contract had already been awarded to an American company for $5,000,000, which ended up costing over $8 or $9 million.

You know, the bridge that it took 3 separate bombings to finally destroy because it was so we built by the above Iraqi company?

But you knew all that, I'm just reminding you, gently.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m sure that Frank_D was vastly aware of the Iraqi engineering business that stepped forward, requesting to repair the northern Baghdad bridge for under $500,000, but our Government said no, the contract had already been awarded to an American company for $5,000,000, which ended up costing over $8 or $9 million.</p>
<p>You know, the bridge that it took 3 separate bombings to finally destroy because it was so we built by the above Iraqi company?</p>
<p>But you knew all that, I&#8217;m just reminding you, gently.</p>
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		<title>By: BinkyBoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Frank,

ever read the CIA files on the Iran-Iraq war, specifically the battle over Halabja?  No one knows who fired the chemical gas, but right now the evidence is that Saddam gave the verbal "ok" to front line commanders to use gas against the Iranians.  The Iranians also had the "ok" to use them.  It is unknown whether the Iraqi's fired them or the Iranians, however.  It appears both sides did, but what is known is that neither side was targetting the civilians.

And since you already knew that, I'm sure you were aware that the town of Halabja sits on the largest reservoir of water in Iraq.  It feeds the Tigris river.  And I'm sure you are aware that the Iranians had made plain the fact they wanted to destroy the dam, thus flooding the lower plains killing upwards of 3 million people, right?

Not that that justifies using WMD's against civilians, but since that was never the intention you were just overstating the situation, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Frank,</p>
<p>ever read the CIA files on the Iran-Iraq war, specifically the battle over Halabja?  No one knows who fired the chemical gas, but right now the evidence is that Saddam gave the verbal &#8220;ok&#8221; to front line commanders to use gas against the Iranians.  The Iranians also had the &#8220;ok&#8221; to use them.  It is unknown whether the Iraqi&#8217;s fired them or the Iranians, however.  It appears both sides did, but what is known is that neither side was targetting the civilians.</p>
<p>And since you already knew that, I&#8217;m sure you were aware that the town of Halabja sits on the largest reservoir of water in Iraq.  It feeds the Tigris river.  And I&#8217;m sure you are aware that the Iranians had made plain the fact they wanted to destroy the dam, thus flooding the lower plains killing upwards of 3 million people, right?</p>
<p>Not that that justifies using WMD&#8217;s against civilians, but since that was never the intention you were just overstating the situation, right?</p>
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		<title>By: BinkyBoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should read "well built".  My fingers arn't quite awake yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should read &#8220;well built&#8221;.  My fingers arn&#8217;t quite awake yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mostly_Muppet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>;-)
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		<title>By: Frank_D</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent two years in Texas (1967 - 1969), and I never heard the term. I guessed what you were talking about, but I wanted to see if you had any balls.
By the way, calling someone crazy sure saves a lot of that unwieldy debating, doesn't it?
Mostly_Muppet: I'm not sure I want to know, but what the hell are you talking about?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent two years in Texas (1967 - 1969), and I never heard the term. I guessed what you were talking about, but I wanted to see if you had any balls.<br />
By the way, calling someone crazy sure saves a lot of that unwieldy debating, doesn&#8217;t it?<br />
Mostly_Muppet: I&#8217;m not sure I want to know, but what the hell are you talking about?</p>
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